dvs71990

I have a 90 Gtu that I am currently rebuilding the motor. It's almost complete and the only upgrade I've made are the pineapple sleeve inserts. Im buying an Apexi N1 exhuast, corksport headers, 17 inch konig hanabi wheels with 245's in the rear wrapped with bg forces drag radials. 225 in the front

Well last night I decided to see what some of the local kids were capable of in there civics and acuras. I rolled out in my stock 97 subaru impreza coupe. The first run I did was against a kid in a 94 integra ls. He had an intake,short throw shifter, stage two clutch, and a 3in exhaust. From a dead stop I beat him by 3 car lenghts.

The following kid had a civic coupe with a b16, exhaust and I dont know what else. Off the line I had a car length on him but by 4th gear he blew right past me and put about 2 car lengths. His car was screaming like a bat out of hell. He told me to bring my triangle rotary piece of **** out so he can eat me.

Im afraid to say, im a little nervous. Off the bat I know im the better driver , but can my Na 90 Gtu even keep up with it?

gbaki

Ok, first off, take into consideration that his car IS much lighter. Secondly, there's not too much you have to do to those cars to make them run.

Off the line though, youll definitely tear him a new one. Acceleration i feel is key!!! GOod luck!!

Tom93R1

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those big wheels and tires will slow you way down

dvs71990

So should I run my Stock wheels when I race him in the fc? If so what tires should I run?

Shainiac

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And what racetrack did you do this at?

RotaMan99

Since your rebuilding it..... do some porting to it.

Then open up the rest of the intake and exhaust , SAFC2, dyno tune it and you may have a chance.

Civics are legos, cheap stuff snaps right on and makes em go faster. lol.

AnthonyNYC

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Be careful with Hondas in NY! There are 10sec hondas all over NYC, it's not like the old days lol!

Time for you to go turbo

Anthony

j9fd3s

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yeah the civic is like 800lbs less than the 7 is

AND

even NA the honda motor can make a lot of power

philiptompkins

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yup, i'ce seen n/a hondas go hard in Houston.
You may need a turbo or N20

diabolical1

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take heed to this. he is NOT joking!!!

sorry to say it, but you could be in big trouble. the weight difference is not insignificant, as has already been pointed out. your wheels don't help, but even with stock wheels, you can be biting off more than you can chew. i guess the facts that Civics have become so popular and so many people do heinous things to them (i.e. ricers, not racers) that many people seem to forget that Civics are dangerous cars with the right setups and put in the right hands. keep in mind i have no info about this Civic, other than your description. so get your grain of salt.

of course, there is always the option of just refusing to race or not caring if you actually do get beat, however you made a thread about it so you're obviously losing sleep on this. if beating this guy is so important to you, then you may have to consider Nitrous oxide, turbo, radical porting, and/or any combination therein.

good luck and for the love of god, be safe!

diabolical1

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wow. for some reason i read your original post and saw WRX. is your's the 2.5 regular Impreza? because i'm fairly sure a jacked up Civic should be you if it is.

yomo

lol @ an NA integra rocking a 3" exhaust. thats way to big... especiallly for an ls... lmao.

but the b16 is a nice engine. do you know if he had the b16b? cus the ctr> usdm engines, + uber high redline (for a piston engine).

tho if its boosted, your gtu def aint gonna keep up. b series love boost...

bl0d

depending on what type of B16 he was running, it wouldn't take much (mod wise) for him to lay down respectible #'s for such a light weight car. i seem to remember seeing somewhere that the B16A3 in a '95 Civic hatch can run upper 14's with only intake, high flow cat, and Apexi WS1 exhaust.

Busted7

I still have my nos kit from a secound gen i had with stock motor with headers and a walbro fuel pump it ran consistant 13.4 at 104 mph with et street tires.

This is a 4 nossle direct injected wet kit set at 85 h/p. Pressure gauge and hobbs safty switch. I beat some pretty good running type r hondas with this setup!

If interested give me a pm i would hate to see you get beat by a un boosted civic!

KNONFS

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If you are willing to invest as much money as that kid did, you might be able to hang; however, I don't think you will be able to acomplish it if you keep your stock ecu & ports.

papiogxl

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I beat a bolt-on B16 coupe with my unported S4 NA. All I had was intake, exhaust, efan, and megasquirt.

I beat him by a car and a half from 40-100ish when I shifted at 7k. When I shifted at about 8500ish I beat him by about 3 cars from the same roll.

bl0d

8500ish...on an unported S4...

KNONFS

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Not only that, but was the B16 stock?

Just to clarify, the B16 is the Honda DOHC V-tech 1.6 engine; the SOHC vtech 1.6 engine was a joke. So lets not get them confused.

j9fd3s

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you've never done it? engine will take that kind of revs all day.

bl0d

last i checked the S4 rev limiter hits at ~7800rpm, and you're not really making enough power on stock ports to warrant going that high, let alone higher.

j9fd3s

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thats a good forum answer, but its not always correct.

we ran our unported s5 engine to 9400, because the stock gearing sucks, and it was either that or spend $$$$ on a rear end.

ecu wasnt stock, engine was junkyard. its tired but it didnt blow up

papiogxl

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B16 just had I/H/E and was in a EG coupe.

An yes stock porting, about 40k miles on the engine. Power does drop off up top, but long gears offset the peak power and gave the best area under the curve. I had minor porting on the manifolds, but nothing much at all, maybe 10 minutes worth. Also I had a standalone on it, so no stock limiter, I used to have a datalog if a run I took it to 10,500 RPM, but I lost it on my old comp.

IIRC, my stock limiter was a bit past 8000 RPM.

Kyrasis6

When I was in school there was a guy in my class that had a honda, I'm not sure what engine was in it, I just remember it was a 4 cylinder and I think it was a 1.8 Liter. He said stock it put out about 100 hp per liter. He told me it had a light weight flywheel on it and a few other small tweaks he wouldn't tell me. When we had dyno day it put out 215 hp to the front wheels N/A. I hate hondas but in the hands of someone who knows what they are doing they are powerful little engines.

dvs71990

I found out the scoop on the kid with the civic b16. Its the jdm one that puts out 180hp. He has an intake and exhaust. From what I heard , the ecu is chipped and hes able to take the revs up past 8 grand. Trust me if you saw this hunk of junk in the street you wouldent expect it to be so fast. Total rust bucket witht he bumpers being held on with twine and a plastic bag as a rear side window. I 've heard that he beat a lot kids and his latest win was against a newer Audi TT. As far as what im going to do is try to get as much out of my NA with some mild porting and some SAFC tuning. Run some bg g force drag radial, on my stock 15's with a nice stiff suspension. Im buying the best exhaust that I can for 1 grand, doing some serious weight reduction, and if I cant take him than im dropping in the turbo and shutting him up!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Zerkster

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Honestly dude, dont even lower yourself to Hondas. The Rx7 is a rotary powered REAR WHEEL drive sports car. An S4 NA has only 146HP to the rear wheels, there is alot of power loss and lag in that, but its nothing to be ashamed of because we can drift...... without snow and E-brakes. A Honda is a compact economy class family vehicle that teens buy because their relatively cheap and somewhat sporty. I will challange any Honda without boost or a $2000 suspention to go around a track with any FC boosted or not. Then lets see who talks.