stylEmon

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I believe my lambda sits at 8.8 in idle, but every motor is different. Put that value in a play with it from there.
I am pretty sure there should be values in those blank spaces.

Aaron, if you leave a 0 in the lambda table, does the M2R automatically revert to the fuel table?

RotaryNewbei

This is a great thread I will be starting the install of my M400 this weekend I wish I had the time to document like this stylEmon your work looks nice. Elwood your car also looks good the pics you posted on page 2 made me pull my engine out to clean everything up, btw how much hp are you making.

elwood

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It should be around 350HP at the rear wheels. It dynoed at 327 at 9PSI, and I'm now running 11PSI. This was on a Mustang dyno, so I think it's fairly accurate.

beefcake

i may have this figured out by tomorrow but how do you make output 1 act as a fuel pump relay, i typed in mode 101 in the section i thought i was meant to, and i even tested the output setting and it made the relay go off which in turn triggered me fuel pump, which in turn triggered me CDI unit.
But how the **** does it stay as a fuel pump relay trigger, as when i turn the keys on, the relay dont trigger so it also means i gt no ignition action for me coils

2a+RoN

There is a setting for how long to turn the pump on initially with key on to prime the system. It then turns off, in turn turning off your ignition which is on the same circuit (I have my car wired this way as well). However, once you start cranking, the ECU knows the motor is turning and automatically turns the relay back on giving you fuel and spark. As long as there is no problems with your trigger setup or wiring, the fuel relay should instantly turn on.

beefcake

hmm but it definitely doesn't come on even when cranking , i found a section that explained something about time to stay on, but it looked like uit meant for how long it stays on after key is turned off thats what it looked like to me anyway, well im off to work now so i suppose ill just pump in some numbers till the monkey fires up

beefcake

i wired up the relay for the m2r of a acc wire that turns off when cranking it was never going to fire up as when turning the key it turned off the relay
All fixed now, and the car farted into life but it spat out a tone off fuel and flooded, anyone got any ideas on what to trim or do to get it half *** running before i send it to dyno shop for load tune.
Ive got 4x indy blue tops with motec cdi ignition, and i have no idea on getting a base trim level to at least make it run long enough
So how much would it cost me to get one of these epic yawpower start up maps emailed to me
3 bar map sensor, 4x1600 injects, motec cdi with mercury coils (ign setup code 140) , and delco air temp, and bosch coolant temp and a dirty big aeromotive eliminator series fuel pump and regulator set at 45 psi for the moment

beefcake

i found the settings for injectors were super fucked, and all the different voltages an **** were not even set correctly, so now im taking it back to work and seing if this works better
Ok i think im a little bit closer, found the injector settings were not done, i put the scaling to 12, current to 3, and compensation to 6, crip to 5 although i haev read to put it a zero but cannot confirm that, and i dont know what dwell settings i should have with mercury coils on cdi setup ?
did i get it any closer
Im getting there but now i cant wait to send it off for a proper tune

beefcake

well since i cant seem to edit my posts ive had to flood this thread, i got it started, but it needs a tune
vids
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=44M-psWoxHU

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6c4z6-uqDMY

2a+RoN

The CRIP is meant as a reference position for your car, you need to adjust this specifically to your car and make sure the timing is correct before you do anything else. Also, ditch the 1600's if possible.. They will make tuning at idle and part throttle a nightmare.

stylEmon

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I started my tune on 550s and 750s. Once we got past the trouble shooting, it went well.

beefcake

ahh thanks heaps, also on the 1600 units my car is only a dedicated drag car now, im aiming to pushing 30 pounds on c16 jungle juice, so the big units is what i would like to stay with
Also at the mo all im trying to do is set the car up as much as i can myself (as ive built it all from scratch by myself) so i can get all the fluids flushed and settled in and i can do all the other checks before dyno tuning
I also found i had it on tps efficiancy point, now its map heaps o little things im finding, but the actually starts from me just leaning in the window now, its almost like a stocker

beefcake

anyone got basic fuel and ignition main tables they wish to share, i was given s4 non turbo, needing something close enough to my turbo setup to even have half a chance, also ill have the wideband up an running by monday arvo and its all go from there

2a+RoN

Can you get something from your tuner??

beefcake

haven't even spoken to him yet and since hes not a motec dealer i dont know how much luck hes going to have getting a new map too suit my engine either,
Hes applied to be a dealer but the other shops in perth have balked at it, they apparently get a say

2a+RoN

If he's an experienced tuner in general he should be able to make something for you and you might want to be asking him these questions also. First, so that he knows its being setup properly, and second, if he can't answer them maybe he shouldn't be doing the tuning..

beefcake

there is actually really no experienced motec/rotary tuners in perth aust, i know almost all of em and have spoken to all of them and they all have rather i put a microtech in it,
I have built this car from scratch myself and getting a workshop to tune my car is last stop, plus the last thing i would want to do is drop my car off on a trailer not running and a mile out in settings to give it to someone who is going to be guessing as much as me, the two most trusted ones have both said that they can get maps from over east, sounds promising. And the biggest rota shop doesn't even want to know about the tuning. I asked him a good year ago and same, "put a microtech in it"
From reading this thread i got the assumption that most of you guys were only too willing to help out a fellow motec user in getting the ball rolling and didn't mind sending maps out, but sorry if it seems im asking too much, point taken

We have three motec dealers in my state, one deals with V8s, great guy, i even bought my gear through him, but he doesn't want to know about tuning it, the other guy is a electrician, the third guy is a chassis builder who only just became a motec dealer but is a haltech main dealer and uses it on his own race car, so not much choice aye bro

2a+RoN

I'll see if I can dig something up for you. I just figured your tuner might have his own opinions on how things should be set up, but from the sounds of it you might be better off doing most of it, if not all of it yourself... I'll do what I can to get you going.

beefcake

haha yeh sorry bout that emo rant, gone away an had a coffee and feel better now
Yeh i think im getting sand in me vag because after building the whole car for three years and finally getting this thing fired up only to find out the computer was not sent out with any of the configurations in it that i requested and being stuck in a city that has very limited use of the motec computer (on rotaries) gets me frustrated to say the least And to be honest microtech do a better job of pre config from what ive used in the past.
Most of the guys hear are now weening themselves of of the micro computer but its early days, but if i was on the east coast of aust id be walking this in easy.

Im not asking for a full tune, just something that will be able to idle and free rev good enough to settle it all in to be sent on its maiden voyage to a tuning shop
Its like sending your kids to the first day of pre school ,

Carlos Iglesias

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Beefcake,

I am also at the tail end of a LONG build with M4 tuning and shakedown as the final piece of the puzzle. Unfortauntely, it's the most comlicated piece, so I sympathize.

I think you've tapped into all of the right resources. I've seen your post on the other Motec resource websites (i.e., EFI101 and MoTeC.com) and those are all of the main one I know of.
"A2+Ron's" shop is the only tuner I have EVER trusted to touch my car... you won't be disappointed! You're definintely on the path to "MoTeC goodness" so just keep pressing on!

beefcake

yeh thanks mate, i don't doubt the quality of the product, its just me getting my head around the new language of the computer, ive grown up whit the simple talk of the micro.
There is a guy that flies over from the east coast every now and again, so i may have to wait for him again to tune it if i get no luck with local guys, but realistically i would need a local tuner to be able to help on all the little dramas and fine tune things i suppose, or is it time to go ahead and learn it all myself, ive been a mechanic for over 14 years now so this wouldn't take too long for me to learn how to ride the bike , just don't have access to a dyno at my doorstep

beefcake

sorry to spam again but im getting the hang of this unit daily, got my crip settings sorted by checking test timing on crank and crossing it over with the crip setting to get same value, sounds better and seems to start easier.
Ive got fuel values around the idle bins at 10 and a total trim of -40, its good for idle action, but as soon as i give it a blip on the throttle the fuel flood begins

Damn stupid computer coming set up with N/A maps, and **** ones too, timing was in the main bins around 25 to 30 deg, **** that i do believe .

And my wideband is not coming to play as i didnt set up the heater wires as i planned down teh track that i would see the high temps motec hinted on, but now i think i have to wire up the heaters to trigger the wideband in early enough to help self learn some fuel trim
Hope im making sense

beefcake

hahaha spam again, i put in my new settings for the CAS settup, number 2 in both sections, tried to start it up, and got bacfires and **** in the inlet, fuckit, i called in the engine builder to cast a eye over it, hes also a motec fan and thinks im doing the right thing sticking with a motec, but i gotta sort this **** out quick before i snap me engine i two on crankup
Sorry guys for spaming but i got no one to share my **** with that understands my motec ramblings over hear in me town

Davin

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does this work with e85

beefcake

any computer works with e85