DEZERTE

http://www.motec.com/products/kits/m4_kit.htm is this a good product?

Evil Aviator

Absolutely. Almost every rotary all-out road race car uses a Motec EMS. The main advantages of a Motec are its ruggedness, accuracy, and flexibility. The US Motec support is absolutely fantastic, and I must admit that I have gotten better support from the US Motec dealers than I have from the manufacturers of the other EMS products that I have used, even though I don't own a Motec. However, the Motec EMS products are very expensive, so most people with street cars tend to choose a less expensive EMS. I don't know what that kit sells for, but the basic M4 box alone sells for about $1,600. Also note that the Motec software only works in DOS, which means you will need to find an old laptop capable of running DOS without shelling through Windows.

DEZERTE

dos...-_- why dos. thanx though good reply, what i was lookin for

RX7-RICE EATER

believe me, having the software run in dos is probably the best. i have been in the computer field as long as i can remember and dos is the most stable(will not freeze up) and takes literally a few seconds to boot up on a crappy notebook. as well you can probably find a nice small notebook that will run the motec application at your local flee market for like 40 bucks.

ioTus

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I donno about that, but they make some wicked sweet exhaust systems.

DEZERTE

i havent used real dos in a long time and when i did use it i was noob, im just kinda worried but im sure it will all be cool though i just have to work for a while to get the M4 itself, do you think i will be able to notice any significant changes right off the bat?

Scott 89t2

I think you should just go for a haltech... way way more surport for rotarys. more people will be able to help you. and its' cheaper around $1000 and works great.

DEZERTE

ok im gonna go check out their site now, thx for the advice.
btw i like your movie, i sent to to my friend

Scott 89t2

ok.. the common model is e6k (or ek6?) the new one the e11 looks awsome but I don't know of anyone using it yet.

and as for dos, so is the haltech. but all you do is let it boot up. and then type the name of the ecu program to start it... can't get much eaiser

Evil Aviator

Yes, you will immediately notice better throttle response. Once tuned, you will notice an increase in gas mileage.

Neither I, nor any of my friends, have had a problem tuning an EMS with Windows OS over the last 3 years. Yes, you can find a cheap laptop to run DOS, but finding a battery is a different story, and the chances of the monitor lasting for very long are pretty slim. You would probably also want to replace the HD, as there is no telling how long a used one will last, and it would not be good to have it fail at a critical time. I do have to agree with the faster boot time in DOS, though.

The rotary engine support for the Motec is superior to any other EMS in the US. I have received fantastic tuning support from the Motec users and dealers, and I don't even own a Motec.

The Haltech E6K is cheaper than the Motec (as is just about every other EMS, lol), but it is not of the same quality. The last time I checked a full setup is about $1,400 for the E6K, and about $1,700 for the E11.

The Haltech E11 uses Windows OS. If you ever have a chance to see the newest tuning software from Haltech, Microtech, and Wolf, you will see that the Windows OS allows for superior displays that are not possible/practical with DOS.

DEZERTE

the haltech e11 ECU sayz it works for "mazda 13 BT" im guessing the na version is included in that? i dont know why an ECU would work with a turbo car but not a natrual one, but what do i know check it out http://www.haltech.com/Products/ECUs/E11/e11.html

RETed

I actually prefer the E6K interface when tuning and default it back to the same type of display with the E11 we're messing with.&nbsp We've got a '90 FC turbo with basically a stock 13BT with stock turbo running under the E11.&nbsp It runs pretty nice right now, but there's some bugs that need to be ironed out with the E11 - it's not perfect.&nbsp For under $2,000US, the E11 can't be beat.&nbsp Even with the bugs, I'd still recommend the E11 over the E6K.&nbsp The E6K is a solid performer, and should be priced more like $1,200US right now.&nbsp The E11 retails around $1,800US.&nbsp Mind you, this is just the cost for the components - installation and tuning adds more money to the cost, of course.

The MoTeC stuff is really nice, but last time I tried to price one out, we're talking $2,500US easily for a unit from an AUTHORIZED dealer in the US.&nbsp Watch out on "deals" from folks from other countries - MoTeC doesn't like their dealers doing this, and there's a lot of security lock-outs on MoTeC ECU's that prevent you from doing a lot of things.&nbsp I've seen M4 (Pro) units sold from AUS/NZ in the $1,500US range, but you get ZERO authorized support from them.&nbsp OTOH, the MoTeC products are top-notch, and some of the best in the "entry" level aftermarket ECU category.&nbsp If you pay for the unit, you get amazing power, relibility, and support - but you pay for it.

Yes, the E11 can run NA 13B's no problem.


-Ted

DEZERTE

Awesome post...saving