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Old May 9, 2007 | 08:52 PM
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Wont idle / start

MS-I 2.2 MSnS-E Daughter board 029t

87 T2, Emissions removed, Cone intake, 1000cc Secondary / 550cc primary Low impedence injectors (~2.5 ohm) running through stock resistor pack(6 ohm). The fuel pump was replaced, but I am unaware of what it is.

Innovate WB02 sensor / xd-16 gauge.
Optima red top battery

The timing is set to where it was before I started messing around, but I have tried moving the CAS around without much luck.

Basically the only way I can get the car to "start" is by setting the REQ_FUEL to anywhere between 1-6 and having the throttle floored. After it sparks up, it usually will shoot up towards 6-8k rpm, which I know its leaning out , but wont start without throttle floored. (I can tell its flooding from starter bogging) I have been attempting to start the car without the WB02 sensor turned on because it loses power while cranking and ends up reseting itself from all of the restarts.

One thing I do notice is a conciderable ammount of fuel / oil on the trailing plugs and O2 sensor (which is probably why my o2 sensor is going haywire). Possible oil injector failure causing excess oil to blow into the intake essentially flooding the engine?

Attached is my MSQ file.
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Old May 10, 2007 | 11:14 AM
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Originally Posted by kynde
MS-I 2.2 MSnS-E Daughter board 029t

87 T2, Emissions removed, Cone intake, 1000cc Secondary / 550cc primary Low impedence injectors (~2.5 ohm) running through stock resistor pack(6 ohm). The fuel pump was replaced, but I am unaware of what it is.

Innovate WB02 sensor / xd-16 gauge.
Optima red top battery

The timing is set to where it was before I started messing around, but I have tried moving the CAS around without much luck.
Pull the fuel pump fuse, pull plugs, and verify spark. Be sure all plugs are connected and grounded when cranking to avoid coil damage. Then re-set the CAS again. Take and post a pic of the CAS with cover off when the pulley is aligned with the leading timing marks.

Basically the only way I can get the car to "start" is by setting the REQ_FUEL to anywhere between 1-6 and having the throttle floored. After it sparks up, it usually will shoot up towards 6-8k rpm, which I know its leaning out , but wont start without throttle floored. (I can tell its flooding from starter bogging) I have been attempting to start the car without the WB02 sensor turned on because it loses power while cranking and ends up reseting itself from all of the restarts.
Sounds very flooded. First off, pull out that wideband sensor and stick the plug in there. That'll hopefully save the sensor from any further contamination while you get other things sorted out. Get the plugs out and cleaned.

One thing I do notice is a conciderable ammount of fuel / oil on the trailing plugs and O2 sensor (which is probably why my o2 sensor is going haywire). Possible oil injector failure causing excess oil to blow into the intake essentially flooding the engine?
Highly unlikely.

Next time you attempt to start, run a datalog. It's very helpful for troubleshooting.
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Old May 10, 2007 | 08:41 PM
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Pull the fuel pump fuse, pull plugs, and verify spark. Be sure all plugs are connected and grounded when cranking to avoid coil damage. Then re-set the CAS again. Take and post a pic of the CAS with cover off when the pulley is aligned with the leading timing marks.


Sounds very flooded. First off, pull out that wideband sensor and stick the plug in there. That'll hopefully save the sensor from any further contamination while you get other things sorted out. Get the plugs out and cleaned.

Highly unlikely.

Next time you attempt to start, run a datalog. It's very helpful for troubleshooting.
I pulled the FP fuze, and took the plugs out and made shure they all sparked (they do). The cas is set to factory settings, Picture is attached. WBO2 was capped off and turned off during whole ordeal. I did manage to get it started and idle between 4-5k rpm by itself for afew seconds before my battery died and wouldnt spark up anymore. This was done by lowering my PWM time to 1ms and lowering the fuel to approx 2.5 (msq attached). While attempting to run / running with higher numbers, there is conciderable ammount of smoke (not blue but gray ish) Running rich colour I guess. During the last crank, it didnt do much of anything, and after I de-flooded the engine, there wasnt much fuel mist coming out. There might have been conciderable ammount of fuel in the intake causing it to spark up, but not enough when the engine is running causing it to lean out and hit 5-8k. Last time I went down as far as PWM time 1ms it didnt get any fuel, which is what could have happened on the last crank.

I attempted starting the car with / without throttle play and as you can clearly see, the rpm drops with throttle closed. (~500 rpm difference and it wont run) I am possibly thinking I have wired in my secondaries as my primaries by accident, but that wouldnt cause the req_fuel to drop to 2.

Thanks for any suggestions. They are greatly appreciated.
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Old May 10, 2007 | 09:51 PM
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There's a problem with your map signal. Is the hose connected?? It's reading a steady 98 kPa. That'll certainly dump lots of extra fuel into the engine. Your TPS signal doesn't appear to be working properly, although that's not a major concern at the moment. Check your main ground cables from battery through to engine. The coolant and air temp drop when cranking, indicating a problem in this area.

Also, grab the MegaLogViewer, and use it to view logs. It makes these sort of problems easier to see.

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Old May 10, 2007 | 09:57 PM
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Originally Posted by renns
There's a problem with your map signal. Is the hose connected?? It's reading a steady 98 kPa. That'll certainly dump lots of extra fuel into the engine. Your TPS signal doesn't appear to be working properly, although that's not a major concern at the moment. Check your main ground cables from battery through to engine. The coolant and air temp drop when cranking, indicating a problem in this area.

Also, grab the MegaLogViewer, and use it to view logs. It makes these sort of problems easier to see.
I do have the MegaLogViewer, but I am not shure of the best way to read it. The hose to the map sensor is plugged in, there may be a vaccum leak somewhere that I'll take a look at. I will also double check the grounds to the starter/chassis.

Thanks again for the help, I will reply once I do a good check-over of everything.
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