rotorsownyou7

That has to be bullshit or that Supra sucks. My friends stock twin FD only lost by 2 cars to a '04 CBR 600 to about 140. Oh, he was at 14 PSI. The bike rider was another friend and he drives damn good.

rotorsownyou7

Oh ****. That Supra was on low boost. Approx 450 whp. I thought you meant it had some power.

turboR1

OK so lets compare the best of the best then.. Formula 1 VS MotoGP. Dosnt get any better then this as far as handling goes correct?. Look at some tracks that both F1 and MotoGP race on. I checked out lap times for the best drivers in each.. Micheal Schumie and V. Rossi. F1 had bout 7 sec faster lap time. pretty big diff if you ask me. u want proof look it up.

OK so now straight line,, check out any drag strip.. are drag bikes faster then drag cars?.... nope.

I agree yes it is much easier to drive a car fast compared to riding a bike fast. you really cant push the limits on a bike unless u know what your doing.

its obvious that bikes are much faster then most cars stock but there are plenty of modded cars out there that would destroy bikes.. dosnt even take much, a low 11 sec car would prob beat most riders out there. yes from a stop..

Also just because the MAG says your bike does a 9.7 in the quarter miles does not mean that YOU can run that time. It is very hard to launch a bike to get that time.. 95% of riders cannot do that.

And enough with the all u need is a few mods like sprockets etc etc.. blah blah the bike is hard enough to drive STOCK your not gonna get any faster unless you learn how to drag the bike. I have friends with 400 hp turbo bikes gixxer1000 and busas and maybe took a .5 sec off thier quarter mile time after gaining 300hp. some are strapping 100 lbs to keep the front wheel down and still having problems.

Dont know if iam right here but to me traction is very important if not the most important thing in handling. cars have 4 tires with plenty of surface area where as a bike only rides on a bout an inch of the big tire you see in the back. not much rubber if you ask me..

BUSA you said everything I wanted to say without saying it..thanks.

Hocky

Yea... 600s are definately not fast. Either that supra sucks or the bike was modded.

XxMerlinxX

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How can you even compare a supra to an F1 car? You can't, so your comparison there holds no water. I never said that bikes were the end all to cars, I simply said that I'd destroy an RX-7 at the strip. Most people I know with stock R6's run high to mid-10's in the quarter. That's with a stock bike, a stock 600cc bike. You think it doesn't get faster with an R1 or a 'Busa you're just kidding yourself.

turboR1

Sorry never compared a supra to an F1 car dont know where you got that from.
So I guess you and your buddies on 600cc are just as good as professonal riders.
got any time slips to prove it?????????????

And where did I ever mention that It wouldnt get any faster with a bigger bike??
obviously it would,, BUT not as much as it should.

600 to 1000cc is like a 50 rwhp difference which is HUGE HUGE on something that only weights 375 pounds. correct????

you would think that the 1\4 mile time between the two would be greater then .5 sec in which most cases it isnt..

And why are you even comparing your bike to an RX7??..

Plus Id be careful with that statement because there are plenty of cars\rx7's track or strip that would rap your measly 600cc.. even 1st gen rx7's...

XxMerlinxX

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Can you ******* read? I was talking about Supra's/RX-7's in my post and then you busted up with F1 cars. I had already posted I couldn't find AMA (600cc class) numbers, so those were the best I had. But not to worry, I've asked for times from the R6 forum members. For some reason it always gets posted here that cars are always faster than bikes. They're not, and I even posted times to show that they're not. Then you got huffy because for some reason you think I'm taking a jab at your car, which I'm not. It's physics that my bike will go faster than your car. And no, there aren't plenty of RX7's that would rape me at the strip. There are even less that would rape an R1 at the strip. Except for the MotoGP number, I've been talking practically stock bikes. Care to guess what a MILDLY, and when I say mildly I'm talking stock and a 30 shot, modded R1 with spray runs? It's the one on the right incase you were wondering.

http://www.r1-forum.com/forums/attac...postid=1934425

Busa413

XxMelinxX, try to do a little more research on the net man. There are plenty of cars out there that would spank your bike in a straightline race and plenty that would hand it to most street riders in the corners. The reason you see races against bikes posted on here is because on average it's hard to beat a bike for a street driven car, takes a lot of time and effort, but it can be done and it's not all the uncommon anymore. When someone with a car beats a bike they are proud of it and want to get credit where it is very much do. To me it's ten times more impressive for a car to hang with or beat a bike than it is for a bike to run an 8 second 1/4 mile.

What are you talking about as far as it being physics that your bike will be faster than an RX7/Supra? Maybe in stock form, but like I said before a car like an RX7 or Supra has a much greater advantage the higher the speed gets because of aerodynamics (which are worse for the bike than the car) and your power to weight ratio doesn't matter anymore. Like others have said only a fraction of the people that ride can run even close to what the magazines say with their bike. My bike has the power to run in the 8's but I doubt I could get into the nines if I went tonight.

Busa413

here are some vids to prove it to you.

http://videos.streetfire.net/Player....E-2C5EB63E71ED

http://www.badassride.com/videos/supra_hayabusa.wmv

http://www.badassride.com/videos/styletto/shane.wmv

XxMerlinxX

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If you can't ride your bike, that's not on me. I've already posted up times, links, and timeslips. If you just want to sit there and blindly say that I'm wrong without posting up any proof to back it up, and these have all been about at the strip not rolling starts on the street , then whatever. That 7.8 timeslip isn't from a magazine and it's with a practically stock bike with a 30 shot. That's not even close to being built. Most of the other guys run low low 9's and high 8's. I don't know what strips you go to, but sub 10's is fast and it's a helluva lot faster than most on this board.

2ndGen.rocket

Look at the runs against the Kenne Bell Cobra, the Trans-Am, and turbo Fox Bodies.

2ndGen.rocket

Comparing MotoGP to showroom floor litre bikes is a very close comparison. Comparing a modded Supra to an F1 car is not. I know what you are getting at and I agree with you to an extent, but there is no comparison between the 2.

2ndGen.rocket

You're flat out wrong. I don't know where you've been but modern 600's have 1/4 times that are only a few tenths of a second off from the new litre bikes. A new 600 will run low 11's and high 10's all day long without breaking a sweat.

2ndGen.rocket

Everyone knows that there are cars that will take bikes, I don't think it's being debated. It's the whole "bikes are slow" and "I smoke bikes in my stock FD all day long" attitude that is annoying and just plain wrong.

2ndGen.rocket

The question is when did he start catching up? From a dead stop, that FD should have been toast, no question. Did he start reeling him in above 110 or so? If he hung the whole way then I'm sorry to say it but that rider can't ride. I have the same bike and have put a serious spanking on a few friends with cars that are more capable than that FD.

Look at the other video's on that site and see what a capable rider on a bike even older than your friends can do to some serious cars.

Busa413

XxMerlinxX first off I never said I couldn't ride my bike I said that if I went tonight I wouldn't be able to run what my bike is capable of running because I don't do it very often and that is the ONLY way you can be consistant on a bike in the 1/4.

Second off you thinking that a close to stock bike (I don't care what kind of bike it is Busa R1 or Vespa) is going to run in the 7's at over 180MPH shows how little you know. Go back to your R1 forum and look it back up. The guy that ran this slip was on the left, the 9.163@150.56MPH not the time on the right. He also has 217 RWHP which is much more than just a 30shot, either he has a lot of work done to the motor and a 30 shot or he is running big spray(considering on average they are mid 140's to the rear wheel stock he is almost 70RWHP over stock). To add to that he is also running a 60" bike, nitrous controller, lowered front and rear and who knows what else but all of which is far from stock. Running a low 9 without an arm or lowered even with a 30 shot on an R1 is going to be really tough.

The strips that I go to are real world where a turbo Busa will run 10's until it's setup and the rider can control it and where a 600 will outrun a ZX10R because the 10R becomes a 1/4 mile unicycle and where unless you have a lot of drag racing time on a bike you will never break 10 seconds on a litre bike your first, second or third time down the track, if you're lucky you'll get it under ten in your first season of running it.

XxMerlinxX

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Yeah, you saying that you wouldn't be able to pull off nine's with your bike is not knowing how to ride. This is what he said, verbatim, he doesn't have a slip on. Instead he does have a longer swingarm, so what.

"not too bad for stocker running stock exhaust and lil spray. of course it wouldnt work with out the longer arm. one of these days i will get some pipes and pc. lotta money to spend when it already runs pretty good."

The point being is that I'm not sure there's an RX-7 on this board that can claim they've dipped under 10 seconds. That was the whole point of my first post in the beginning. RX7 driver's need to quit saying that they can run with all sorts of bikes, cause it's just not true. End rant.

rajeevx7

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I agree w/ Busa - We don't ride to die ie; won't pull a 110mph turn on common streets to impress a 'four seater JGTC car' (contradictory, I know) because we don't want to DIE.

DannyD

ive never seen a post where an rx7 said they can run all sorts of bikes on a 1/4 mile, youve lost your mind..... the only kill storys on bikes ever in here are from rolls, which is very very very possible, especially against 600s... and theirs even a few where busas were dogged out with witnesses.... no one ever said they are quicker than a bike in a 1/4 mile straight.... geez...

XxMerlinxX

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Busa413

Again you truely show how bright you really are. I don't care how well someone can ride in the corners just because they can drag a knee doesn't mean they can rip a sub 10 second 1/4 unless they do it all the time. Then again it's pointless to argue with you obviously seeing as though you are gods gift to two wheels.

So what happened to running 7's? You don't seem to want to talk about that now do you? Running under 10 seconds with spray and an arm is not all that hard, but you were saying he ran in the 7's at over 180MPH.

turboR1

Its pointless trying to agrue with someone who has no idea what they are talking about in the first place.

Hocky

That is all fine and dandy, but we're not talking about ET'ing right now, are we? This race was not from a stop. Modern 600s only trap in the 119-122 ballpark.... that is NOT FAST. Lots of cars will walk all over that from a rolling start, especially as the speeds increase.

XxMerlinxX

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Yes, I was wrong about that R1, I've never seen one run at the 1/4, so I was a little outside my realm there. Jump on me for that, fine, but that doesn't make you any less wrong.
That is my whole problem with this thread. That statement right there is what's wrong. And you want to talk about someone avoiding something, not a single person here can say that they've run sub 10's. Lupe's the only person even close to that, but it'll take a lot more to push it there. A supra decked out to the max would be able to pull off sub 9's. But there damn sure isn't "plenty of modded cars" that are out there like that.

One of the guys on the R6 board said he ran a 1:37 the only time he was there. Nobody else has posted times yet, so go with that. That's a time put down by a normal rider that was still 2 seconds faster than the fastest lap time at the Grand Am Cup.

[QUOTE=Busa413]Again you truely show how bright you really are. I don't care how well someone can ride in the corners just because they can drag a knee doesn't mean they can rip a sub 10 second 1/4 unless they do it all the time. Then again it's pointless to argue with you obviously seeing as though you are gods gift to two wheels.
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This guy ran a 9 sec. on his second ever run and he's got a smaller engine than you. Click Here

Busa413

So do you think that is only his second time ever to the drap strip? I guess you know him and have talked with him and he has never brought another bike down the 1/4 or 1/8 and had no idea what he was doing before this? I'm not saying it is impossible just that MOST people wouldn't be able to get into the 9's on a litre bike/busa/12R their first time out.

Now as far as him having a smaller engine than me, what point does that make? Again, one more time you show how little you know. Do you honestly think that having more CC's or More horsepower is going to make it easier to get a quicker 1/4 or 1/8 ET????? Hardley the case, the more power you have the harder it is to launch the bike until you start setting the bike up with an arm, controller, lock-up clutch etc.

So here's a couple of questions for you XxMerlinxX. What year make and model bike do you have and what mods are installed? Also can you post a couple of pics for me off different angles of your bike?