Man Rescues rx7 From V8 Swap
10-06-08, 08:45 PM
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I see the text your posted, but my brain only interpets: 
I <3 Ignorance. First off that wasnt a CYM. It was Sunburst Yellow from the bathurst Rx7. duh..
If they didnt want Pistons in there, which honestly they really stole the show, they would be a lot more strict.
How about you quit your whining and build a car that can compete with the pure awesomeness known as the Lsx. Yeah I said it.
Also dont be such a little panzy about V8 rx7's inside the main area. We at SNS allow all to come and join in. Piston rx7's, rotary rx7's and even those who aspire to own an rx7. Its people like you who ruin nice car scenes by acting like a little bitch because a car you dont own has an engine you disagree with, regardless of how superior it may or may not be.
-Steve
I <3 Ignorance. First off that wasnt a CYM. It was Sunburst Yellow from the bathurst Rx7. duh..
If they didnt want Pistons in there, which honestly they really stole the show, they would be a lot more strict.
How about you quit your whining and build a car that can compete with the pure awesomeness known as the Lsx. Yeah I said it.
Also dont be such a little panzy about V8 rx7's inside the main area. We at SNS allow all to come and join in. Piston rx7's, rotary rx7's and even those who aspire to own an rx7. Its people like you who ruin nice car scenes by acting like a little bitch because a car you dont own has an engine you disagree with, regardless of how superior it may or may not be.
-Steve
This thread is obviously about a guy who is not of the same feelings as you about converting rotary to piston. I agree with the original poster, rotary cars should stay rotaries. I have had a very nice conversation with andrewdruiz about the reasoning behind his LS1 conversion. I respect his rights do do what he chooses to do. We all have the rights to feel the way we do. I personally feel that LS1 conversions take away the uniqueness of the RX cars.
I dought the original poster appreciates all this crapping on his thread.
Now cool down and grow up Steve or else you will see how bitchy I can be
10-07-08, 06:49 AM
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yeah i hear you on the part sorceing. where i come from RX-7s are a rare sight let alone '81s. So the parts are few,far and expensive.I've called so many places looking for an oem wing...nobody can get it or even an aftermarket replica.
10-07-08, 06:41 PM
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10-08-08, 03:46 PM
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Try convincing a Hemi owner to swap to a rotary.....no way.
Personally im fine with any kind of engines as long as they are super- or turbocarged
Have fun wirh yours
Personally im fine with any kind of engines as long as they are super- or turbocarged
Have fun wirh yours
03-03-09, 04:50 AM
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I see the text your posted, but my brain only interpets:
I <3 Ignorance. First off that wasnt a CYM. It was Sunburst Yellow from the bathurst Rx7. duh..
If they didnt want Pistons in there, which honestly they really stole the show, they would be a lot more strict.
How about you quit your whining and build a car that can compete with the pure awesomeness known as the Lsx. Yeah I said it.
Also dont be such a little panzy about V8 rx7's inside the main area. We at SNS allow all to come and join in. Piston rx7's, rotary rx7's and even those who aspire to own an rx7. Its people like you who ruin nice car scenes by acting like a little bitch because a car you dont own has an engine you disagree with, regardless of how superior it may or may not be.
-Steve
I <3 Ignorance. First off that wasnt a CYM. It was Sunburst Yellow from the bathurst Rx7. duh..
If they didnt want Pistons in there, which honestly they really stole the show, they would be a lot more strict.
How about you quit your whining and build a car that can compete with the pure awesomeness known as the Lsx. Yeah I said it.
Also dont be such a little panzy about V8 rx7's inside the main area. We at SNS allow all to come and join in. Piston rx7's, rotary rx7's and even those who aspire to own an rx7. Its people like you who ruin nice car scenes by acting like a little bitch because a car you dont own has an engine you disagree with, regardless of how superior it may or may not be.
-Steve
"PURE"awesomeness is not the word i would use to describe something that is certainly not pure. powerful fun yes but far from Pure. yet again let the guy who really has no business on this thread take a normal debate that has been debated a million times and has pros and cons both ways turn into another self righteous superiority of of which one is better. I just dont understand why this is even brought up anyomore. Its obvious they both have perks ive watched rotaries blown on the track and v8 rx7s spinout of every corner. the both have perks and downfalls. period
03-05-09, 07:53 PM
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Now I might be a little biased since I am doing a v8 swap, but I didn't become a "car guy" or "hot rodder" because I bought an rx7. I started out with a pile o' crap nova and got hooked on doing whatever it takes to go fast.
In the end i don't think its comes down to what car you have or what engine is in it, but that you have the passion to love a big hunk of metal and the creativity to make it stand out from the rest.
In the end i don't think its comes down to what car you have or what engine is in it, but that you have the passion to love a big hunk of metal and the creativity to make it stand out from the rest.
03-08-09, 01:22 PM
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just my .02 but i have the opinion that motor swaps should at least stay in hte family. if you buy a ford for example, don't put a chevy engine in it...
would you buy a v6 camaro and put a mustang supercharged engine in it??? probably not, but it would be much faster if you did.
rotary or piston, to each his own, but if you want an LS1, buy a chevy.
but why get an RX if you don't want ROTORY?
just my opinion, not trying to impose it on anybody, just throw it out there...
would you buy a v6 camaro and put a mustang supercharged engine in it??? probably not, but it would be much faster if you did.
rotary or piston, to each his own, but if you want an LS1, buy a chevy.
but why get an RX if you don't want ROTORY?
just my opinion, not trying to impose it on anybody, just throw it out there...
03-09-09, 02:38 PM
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just my .02 but i have the opinion that motor swaps should at least stay in hte family. if you buy a ford for example, don't put a chevy engine in it...
would you buy a v6 camaro and put a mustang supercharged engine in it??? probably not, but it would be much faster if you did.
rotary or piston, to each his own, but if you want an LS1, buy a chevy.
but why get an RX if you don't want ROTORY?
just my opinion, not trying to impose it on anybody, just throw it out there...
would you buy a v6 camaro and put a mustang supercharged engine in it??? probably not, but it would be much faster if you did.
rotary or piston, to each his own, but if you want an LS1, buy a chevy.
but why get an RX if you don't want ROTORY?
just my opinion, not trying to impose it on anybody, just throw it out there...
People put v8's in rx7 to get the power to weight ratio of much more expensive cars for a fraction of the price.
Now if your just building a street car or a show car I agree, replacing the rotary with a piston engine would be kind of retarded, especially something as boring as a smallblock ford or chevy.
It all depends on what you plan to do with the car.
03-09-09, 06:51 PM
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i love my rotary but whats not to love about a LS swap? ok lets say you can afford a LS7 you get 500hp guaranteed. how many rotaries you know running 500hp on pump gas? just my 2 cents but 500hp that you can beat on for 100,000+ miles is nothing to hate on. im with brismo on this one stop your whining and just respect it for what it really is. a very fast reliable rx7.....
03-09-09, 08:11 PM
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First First please realize that I am an American, I just live in Japan....
V8 swaps have there use or place in the grand order.....they are really good at shredding tires faster than your average trailer park Ferrari (camaro) but that and 1/4 mile runs are about it.
Not because they are a piston engine though. You could swap a SR20DET and make 500 RWHP, a little rough but doable, you can swap 3SGT and get 500 RWHP.. But once again just barely, (or you can simply bolt on a TO4Z and do the same).
The difference between the three is the way they handle. The two aforementioned 4 banger swaps could still be made to handle decently without much work. With a V8 swap (even the LS7) you need to do a lot of work on the suspension to make it even remotely drivable.
Now, My definition of drivable: the ability to throw it at speeds in excess of 100KPH (60 mph) through the Hakone mountain turn pike without sliding out on every single turn..... This negates the V8 concept entirely. The two aforementioned 4 bangers could do the trick but not the V8.
Sometimes having all of that torque (and the poor weight distribution that comes with it) is worthless. If everybody lived in the US and did nothing more than 1/4 mile then it might be useful. But other than that (and the WOW factor) it is of little use to most of the rest of the world.
Like I said it’s not that fact that it’s a piston engine, it’s the fact that America’s piston engines are designed for a totally different concept... large wide open roads, steady state cruising, with huge torque requirements due to the propensity of Americans’ desire for large bloated vehicles.
The weight of the V8 engine (normal cast iron block) puts a huge weight shift up high which totally changes the roll center and handling characteristics of the vehicle. You might manage with the LS7 to get a 50/50 front rear weight distribution, but you will never manage to lower the weight to where it belongs......just barely above the front axles
just my 2 yen worth
kenn
Not because they are a piston engine though. You could swap a SR20DET and make 500 RWHP, a little rough but doable, you can swap 3SGT and get 500 RWHP.. But once again just barely, (or you can simply bolt on a TO4Z and do the same).
The difference between the three is the way they handle. The two aforementioned 4 banger swaps could still be made to handle decently without much work. With a V8 swap (even the LS7) you need to do a lot of work on the suspension to make it even remotely drivable.
Now, My definition of drivable: the ability to throw it at speeds in excess of 100KPH (60 mph) through the Hakone mountain turn pike without sliding out on every single turn..... This negates the V8 concept entirely. The two aforementioned 4 bangers could do the trick but not the V8.
Sometimes having all of that torque (and the poor weight distribution that comes with it) is worthless. If everybody lived in the US and did nothing more than 1/4 mile then it might be useful. But other than that (and the WOW factor) it is of little use to most of the rest of the world.
Like I said it’s not that fact that it’s a piston engine, it’s the fact that America’s piston engines are designed for a totally different concept... large wide open roads, steady state cruising, with huge torque requirements due to the propensity of Americans’ desire for large bloated vehicles.
The weight of the V8 engine (normal cast iron block) puts a huge weight shift up high which totally changes the roll center and handling characteristics of the vehicle. You might manage with the LS7 to get a 50/50 front rear weight distribution, but you will never manage to lower the weight to where it belongs......just barely above the front axles
just my 2 yen worth
kenn
03-09-09, 08:27 PM
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V8 swaps have there use or place in the grand order.....they are really good at shredding tires faster than your average trailer park Ferrari (camaro) but that and 1/4 mile runs are about it.
Not because they are a piston engine though. You could swap a SR20DET and make 500 RWHP, a little rough but doable, you can swap 3SGT and get 500 RWHP.. But once again just barely, (or you can simply bolt on a TO4Z and do the same).
The difference between the three is the way they handle. The two aforementioned 4 banger swaps could still be made to handle decently without much work. With a V8 swap (even the LS7) you need to do a lot of work on the suspension to make it even remotely drivable.
Now, My definition of drivable: the ability to throw it at speeds in excess of 100KPH (60 mph) through the Hakone mountain turn pike without sliding out on every single turn..... This negates the V8 concept entirely. The two aforementioned 4 bangers could do the trick but not the V8.
Sometimes having all of that torque (and the poor weight distribution that comes with it) is worthless. If everybody lived in the US and did nothing more than 1/4 mile then it might be useful. But other than that (and the WOW factor) it is of little use to most of the rest of the world.
Like I said it’s not that fact that it’s a piston engine, it’s the fact that America’s piston engines are designed for a totally different concept... large wide open roads, steady state cruising, with huge torque requirements due to the propensity of Americans’ desire for large bloated vehicles.
The weight of the V8 engine (normal cast iron block) puts a huge weight shift up high which totally changes the roll center and handling characteristics of the vehicle. You might manage with the LS7 to get a 50/50 front rear weight distribution, but you will never manage to lower the weight to where it belongs......just barely above the front axles
just my 2 yen worth
kenn
Not because they are a piston engine though. You could swap a SR20DET and make 500 RWHP, a little rough but doable, you can swap 3SGT and get 500 RWHP.. But once again just barely, (or you can simply bolt on a TO4Z and do the same).
The difference between the three is the way they handle. The two aforementioned 4 banger swaps could still be made to handle decently without much work. With a V8 swap (even the LS7) you need to do a lot of work on the suspension to make it even remotely drivable.
Now, My definition of drivable: the ability to throw it at speeds in excess of 100KPH (60 mph) through the Hakone mountain turn pike without sliding out on every single turn..... This negates the V8 concept entirely. The two aforementioned 4 bangers could do the trick but not the V8.
Sometimes having all of that torque (and the poor weight distribution that comes with it) is worthless. If everybody lived in the US and did nothing more than 1/4 mile then it might be useful. But other than that (and the WOW factor) it is of little use to most of the rest of the world.
Like I said it’s not that fact that it’s a piston engine, it’s the fact that America’s piston engines are designed for a totally different concept... large wide open roads, steady state cruising, with huge torque requirements due to the propensity of Americans’ desire for large bloated vehicles.
The weight of the V8 engine (normal cast iron block) puts a huge weight shift up high which totally changes the roll center and handling characteristics of the vehicle. You might manage with the LS7 to get a 50/50 front rear weight distribution, but you will never manage to lower the weight to where it belongs......just barely above the front axles
just my 2 yen worth
kenn
03-09-09, 09:59 PM
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So much mis information in your post. First off the LS1 is not heavy. Both fully dressed, it is a touch lighter than the rotary (in the FD), this has been documented NUMEROUS times. My car with the rotary was 2850, my car with the LS1 was 2870. The weight gain came from the transmission. The T56 is quite a bit heavier than the Mazda box it replaced. This has the affect of shifting the weight BACK in the car, which is the goal of all performance front engine/rear drive cars. I corner balanced my car with a single turbo rotary and I was 50.5%F and 49.5%R... with the LS1 I am 49.5% F and 50.5% R.
03-10-09, 04:45 AM
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So much mis information in your post. First off the LS1 is not heavy. Both fully dressed, it is a touch lighter than the rotary (in the FD), this has been documented NUMEROUS times. My car with the rotary was 2850, my car with the LS1 was 2870. The weight gain came from the transmission. The T56 is quite a bit heavier than the Mazda box it replaced. This has the affect of shifting the weight BACK in the car, which is the goal of all performance front engine/rear drive cars. I corner balanced my car with a single turbo rotary and I was 50.5%F and 49.5%R... with the LS1 I am 49.5% F and 50.5% R.
+1 on the misinformation!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! the v-8 actually has a lower center of gravity than the rotary. the only downfall is the weight of the engine is pushed slightly forward where a rotary is completely behind the front axel. but with a lower center of gravity and the added weight of the t56 it evens itself out. i love my rotary and yes it hauls ***. but i dont knock the v8 swaps either. the same 15 grand you put into your rotary can buy a brand new ls7 with a warranty.
Matter of fact about 6 months ago in one of the stateside car magazines they pitted a tuned rotary and a LS7 V-8 swap against each other on a track, the rotary came ahead in all facets of handling.
kenn