cabaynes

iTrader: (4)

you have 2 posts and you are already passing judgment on other members just because they don't like a certain body kit? i don't know what forum you were on before, but we don't have bullshit like that here. and for the record i agree with what CCarlisi says, and just because it is the most elaborate kit out there does in NO way make it the best looking. people like you just like it because it is the most expensive one to buy and has the most pieces, so therefore it must be the best. compared to a stock FD, that car is ugly. so there is my opinion, but since i don't like it i obviously must be a "jealous **** who doesn't know **** about true performance and quality." but since you are the keeper of all performance knowledge you can just "ignore people like" me... right? go back to reading your rice boy magazines and learning about the new generation of altezzas, and maybe, just maybe read a few things regarding the actual performance of a car. just my opinion.

rybrx7

i think its nice but like the 99 spec turn signals so i think i prefer the RE gt 2002 one

thats looks better than the pic of the RE silver one but if the RE one was in that color its would look stunning

TTurboXfd3s

straight up rybrx7 i like your style

HSK

Ha ha Stokedxiv, it is funny how people like you always bring up Altezza stuff to insult others, it is kind of funny i thouhgt. Go learn some more and bring some better stuff next time. cheers!

HSK

Ha ha Stokedxiv, it is funny how people like you always bring up Altezza stuff to insult others, it is kind of funny i thouhgt. Go learn some more and bring some better stuff next time. At least be original...cheers!

ptrhahn

iTrader: (9)

Hideous. looks like a "Hot Wheels®" car.

There isn't really a widebody out there that simply looks like a wider version of the stock car... a shape that really needs no embelishment.

DomFD3S

And this statement is just that...AN OPINION.

I don't know how you can gauge another person's knowledge about "true performance and quality" just because they don't like a particular body kit.

Also, I would advise you to think twice before calling other people "jealous ***** who don't know ****".

There is something known as "etiquette" on this forum.

ICE_Pilot

Well this one has the shape of the car....its just a little fat.....I like the front but not the back.




LOL...its a cheep kit to....goes for $4500 NZ......thats about $2200 US. I wouldant buy it though.

cabaynes

iTrader: (4)

"people like you" what the hell is that supposed to mean? you mean people that are knowledgeable and have a well balanced understanding of automotive performance and style? well if so, then there are many people like me on the forum... but i just can't figure out what you are trying to insult me with? you posted a jackass comment about another forum member with only your 2nd post and then expect people not to say anything to you? like i said before, and like DomFD3S stated, there is something known as "etiquette" on this forum, and we tend to stay away from ******* remarks like yours. 3 of your 4 posts have been in this thread, and your 4th is regarding a TII for sale, so how do you get off telling me to "go learn some more" when i make fun of you for being the mag ricer you probably are? you are obviously new to the forum and should learn that blatantly citicizing other forum members based on his/her opinion alone is not a way to gain respect on the boards. cheers!

CCarlisi

You don't have to agree with me, but there is no need to get rude. Here are a couple other things to consider:

For starts did you know THERE IS NOT A RACE SERIES IN THIS COUNTRY THAT WILL ALLOW YOU TO RUN A FD WITH A WIDEBODY KIT? How do I know this? A friend of mine who works at a very reputable shop, that among other things provides team managment services for private GT2 teams, is building up a $100,000+ tube frame FD race car and has detailed knowledge of the various series' requirements. THEREFORE, I doubt you would be putting down any time at all with that kit, at least in a competitive event.

Second, yes I would still laugh at you because you spent $15,000 and made your car ugly to get more traction. You don't need a widebody kit to put on wider rims. Fender flares are lighter, A LOT CHEAPER, don't have the same competition restrictions as widebody kits, and more understated....Which sounds more functional to you?

Third, you incorrectly assumed my comments were geared towards all widebody kits, when I said nothing of the sort. That particlar kit is ugly. RX7 Heaven makes one for the FD that provides the same benefits as that blue obomination, but doesn't look like a Mech Warrior's wet dream.

Fourth, I doubt it will have less drag given the fact that it probably has about 10% more frontal area.

Chronos

stokedxiv, while you might even be right about the ricers loving that kind of kit just because it's elaborate doesn't mean that it isn't one hell of a beautiful kit.

You have a Mclaren F1 as your avatar which is one very nice looking car, a supercar in fact...just like the XJ220, Diablo, Bugattis, and others. The stock FD body is a sports car body, while it might look "nice", it's by no means to be compared to supercars. However, with the R-Magic kit I beleive it looks as good or better than many supercars. Compare the two FD's here and tell me the stock one is a nicer looking car...if you do, you obviously have some disposition. The lines on that car are truly aesthetic.



and BTW, that yellow FD is perhaps the ugliest excuse for a sports car I've ever seen. Love the 22" Chrome wheels though! Why can't you reserve your contempt for ricers for cars that actually deserve it???

JBurer

I agree with CCarlisi.
I can see one of the major tuners building an abortion like that to showcase their products. But if I saw anyone driving that on the street and it was an RX-7, I'd turn my face in shame.
Best,
John

cabaynes

iTrader: (4)

i agree with all of your comments, my remarks were mainly focused towards HSK. i understand that the kit is probably also very functional, but for me to like a body kit like that, it would need some changes. the lines just don't appeal to my eyes as much as others i have seen, but i'm not calling it ugly. it definitely would turn more heads than a stock FD and does have a style that resembles supercar status... just not my taste really.

i mean, it does look a hell of a lot better than that the yellow FD! which by the way, was built by a tuner in japan, shown at this years Tokyo Auto Salon, and then about a month ago was out at a drifting competition in japan where it got into an accident with another car and got smashed up pretty good

EunosFD

R Magic is no doubt a quality company & that kit I'm sure is made quite well, but that doesn't mean it looks good (which it doesn't). I've never been a fan of the Transformers look. The FD (hell, RX-7's in general) were designed to be raw performance machines. Granted the FD has wonderful lines as well and still looks relatively modern (the design does date back to the late 80's-early 90's). With the FD form does follow function, but this particular widebody kit is way too overdone. CCarlisi hit it right on the head

Chronos

First off, like I stated above, some people have severe dispositions in their taste because they've been abused by the ricers. From that statement above, it's plain to see that you're one of the those people. What you really need to do is compare this car to actual touring cars in racing series such as DTM and JGTC.

The kit was advertised on rx7store.net as being used on the Speedvision GT series. I can't verify if it actually was, but I could easily see it being used so. Also, do you think perhaps there is a REASON why domestic racing series' won't let an FD run with a widebody? Hmmmm....gotta keep those corvettes and vipers in the front of the pack. All most race series are any more is a huge commercial aimed at marketing a product, hence all the restrictions.

I stated 3 things that the kit does. not 1, maybe you can't count? As for the fender flares...how many Touring cars do you see running with wider that stock bodies??? I guess you should have a word with them too while you're at it...

There is NOTHING wrong with that kit except perhaps the large wing with attachments to the rear decklid instead of over the wheels such as the RE Amemiya wing does. Other than that though, there is nothing there that doesn't need to be. The front has a very large opening to let in the increased amount of heat exchanger needed to cool down the hot running rotary running substantially higher than stock power levels. (a VMIC setup would probably be the best method here, which requires a very large opening). True it will have more drag, but that's the price you pay for getting 500-700hp out of an engine 1/2 the size most others (The GT-500 Supras running the 4 piston engines also have a very large opening for heat exchanger). The sides of the nose are shaped in such a matter that the air will hit it and push it down creating greater downforce but still having larger holes for the oil coolers as would be necessary for such high power sustained tracking applications associated with GT racing. The same is true for the rear 1/4 panels and side skirts. All the curves are very fluid as well so they don't trap the air or change it's course too severely creating turbulence and increased drag. The rear of the car is extremely subtle compared to the huge gaping wholes of the RE Amemiya widebody kits and the bottom of the bumper is shaped in a manner that diffuses the swirl effect that occurs at high speeds which creates increased drag and loss of stability. In Conclusion I'd say the ameneties gained from this kit are well worth the extra 40lbs or so of fiberglass.
It will also have more downforce which is more important in high power applications.

CCarlisi

Well apparently you can't count either since I responded to two of your comments not 1. The third one, re down force was so unfounded I didn't see a point to even address it.

To reiterate:
1. Due to the additional frontal area it is in all likelihood less aerodynamically efficient than a stock body.
2. You can put wider wheels on a stock body using fender flares
3. Nobody in their right mind would install that kit to increase down force. You can do that with a wing a more aggressive lip spoiler, canards, and an underbelly tray.

-that's a little different. I don't think they use the stock body panels to begin because of weight (right??). It would be pointless to fabricate a replacement body THEN fabricate fender flares. Here you're not replacing the body, you're just tacking things onto it.


Another unfounded statement. Look at the size of the front opening and compare it to a GTC front end. The center opening doesn't appear to extend past the frame rails, just as with the GTC. IF anything the oilcooler openings look SMALLER than the GTC. If I am correct all you're getting is more drag.

What are you talking about? Show me some data. With all due respect, that is totally out of your ***. Earlier you were accusing me of writing about something I don't know anything about, which was, oddly enough, just my opinion not a statement of fact and now you're giving us an analysis of the kit's aerodynamic function with no indication of any factual basis.

You have a bad habit of stating your opinions as FACTUAL STATEMENTS, which they are not AND interpreting other people's opinions as factual statements.

From dictionary.com:
FACT: "Something demonstrated to exist or known to have existed"
OPINION: "a personal belief that is not founded on proof or certainty; "my opinion differs from yours"; "what are your thoughts on Haiti?"

If I've jumped the gun here PROVE ME WRONG. Show me wind tunnel tests, show me data. If you can't get that, show me an expert's opinion. At least tell us what you’re relying on to make the above statements. A car body operates as a system. You can't draw general conclusions based on what you proport to be the aerodynamic properties of individual styling elements. Your aerodynamic analysis carries as much credibility as my opinion about what the air smells like in your house without visiting it.



Regards,

Chris

20B Junkie

holy crap, people are getting so protective and offensed by other peoples opinions.

ICE_Pilot

Hmmmm.....Im with you 20B_Junkie!!!

scratchjunkie

ICE_Pilot

rybrx7

lol i know its a kit for gods sake which by all appearances nobody but the owner of that blue company one has so chill every1!

NoRice

I like the front end with the headlights. Having the hood/headlights/front end all work together is nice. Does this actually provide better lighting though?

The hood and mirrors are also nice.

The side view of the car is nice, but from the rear end, YUCK! Not only is the bumper ugly, but I don't like the way the widebody panels don't come back to the sheet metal, they just have big gaping holes!

93redFD

who the **** would pay 15 grand for that ****???? thats another car??? let me guess its fiberglass too.. looks like a damn space ship.

ICE_Pilot

Id pay 15K for that **** to be in my engine bay and not on the car.

Chronos

Chris, you're absolutely right...I do have a problem differing between opinion and fact and I'm sorry for my rude post to you. I also can see your opinions on how spending 15k is a little steep for the performance this product offers as opposed to serious racing parts. Perhaps the purpose and goal of this product is to take aspects of racing design and put them in a streetable package that offers form and performance. As extreme as the car does look with the kit, it looks a lot less extreme than a full racing aero car would on the street. I still think it looks damn nice though! (minus that wing ofcourse!)