bally89

Hi guys,

I'm thinking about which exterior mods to do to my FD and have decided that the elements that I like the most are the Veilside normal body kits (C2 in particular) and the chargespeed wide fenders for front and back. Because of the varying intentions of these kits I'm not sure how it would work out with teh wide fenders and normal veilside parts.

I would look to put on a VS C2 front bumper, not sure about whether chargespeed or VS side skirts, and the chargespeed rear diffuser style rear bumper; together with the front and rear wide fenders.

Any opnions on whether this is a sensible road to go down? I love the individual elements having seen them a few times in the flesh, just wanna put them together!

Bally

93rx74lyfe

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You like the cat fish bumper?

bally89

I do, but I far prefer the veilside c2!

HadaVette

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How do you define "sensible"? Faster? Styled your way? More reliable?

I really like my FD, but find very little sensible about it!

Gringo Grande

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Best visual mods you can do for a few hundred bucks? 99 Spec Lip and Feed/Shine Replica CF side steps.

bally89

I have a load of 99 spec bits on my 93...favourite part is definitely the back though with the lights and rear wing. In terms of sensible etc, I just wanted to know whether wide fenders would look stupid with a normal body kit like the Veilside C2....

Montego

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the C2 body kit






Since you are asking for opinions:

Welcome to 12 years ago with that kit. The C2's most horrible attribute is it's front bumper. Jeez that thing is fugly. The sideskirts are ok but the rear skirts are not. As As I said, that style of body kit just catapulted us to 1999... Way out of style.

I'd ditch the veliside and just get the CS wide fenders + shine replica sidesteps, 99 spec bumper or a shine burnout bumper. To key to making the CS fenders look great is wheel firment and ride height.

Whenever I redo my FD thats the look I'm going with. If it's worth anything

cabaynes

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I agree with your post, but please ditch those headlights and that hood! Those take the FD back a decade just like that Veilside kit

bally89

Thanks for the reply Montego...I think I am moving towards your opinion as well. I have been looking at the Burnout set up for a few days now, probably the Shine Auto from Rotaryart here in the UK.

CS (chargespeed) or Shine Auto burnout style fenders? This is a biggie methinks!

I have only seen the CS ones in the flesh, and they look great - I totally get your point about wheel sizes and offsets etc. At the moment I've got 17s on the car, with the Bilstein shocks of a RZ because my stock shocks died about a month ago. So ride height at the moment is about an inch (maybe slightly more) of clearance between the wheel and the start of the body.

Starting to sway between the CS and burnout style rear bumpers...will be itneresting to see what I end up going with!

Montego

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Sure charlie but at least it's still 7 years newer than that the stale stock bumper and rims look *ahem* . So lets do this together, you get rid of the 1980's bumper you got there along with the antiquated frog looking pop ups and Ill ditch my headlights and hood. Oh yeah while you are at change those wheels that about as common as a ***** in vegas .

purerx7

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No.

RE-Amemiya

Please don't go with Veilside!

ILoveJDM

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dont mix CS fenders with oem front/feed sides, that would just make barf.

if youre going burnout, get the burnout fenders.

mix and matching styles, subtle/oem and agressive is one of the worst things you can do sometimes.

Montego

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I like the cs more than the burnout but thats just me. And actually theres a thread on here where someone photoshopped a 99 spec front with some chargespeed fenders. It looked pretty darn good IMO of course. It was akin to what the C6 Z06 looks in comparison to the regular C6. Subtle and yet agressive.

Opinons are like ******** so at the end of the day it's your car do what you like. No matter what you do there is something that someone wont like.

Prometheus

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Veilside???

GTFO

Supernaut

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You may be right about Charlie's wheels (I don't know much about wheels) but the stock FD bumper and popups are timeless and fit the car. Common? Yeah sure but it still looks more current than most new cars today. I can see why people object to the popups when they are up but your lights look more dated to me and you can't retract them. It's like the newer NSX lights. They look terrible. Your hood I think is ok but I can't get past those lights.

Also Bally, that is a terrible idea. A terrible terrible terrible idea. Do you want your car to look like a hand vac? I think a sign of a good aftermarket kit is that it shouldn't look like its aftermarket. I think its pretty obvious that at the very least, that front bumper doesn't belong there. It looks like a train wreck. OMG.

The bumper reminds me of this...

bally89

Moving further away from Veilside with every passing minute at the moment!

On a serious note, I think I'm gonna go down the burnout route...the subtle agression of the kit is really growing on me (and by subtle I mean not blatently aftermarket, has a bit more of an OEM look to it compared to the alternatives!)

I like the pop ups as a feature, but given that the shape and form of the FD is so amazing and timeless in itself, I feel that they let the overall package down...just my opinion on them.

Im gonna try saving (hard at the moment) to do this burnout upgrade and switch the pop ups for the RE-A sleeks.

On the hood front, saw an FD with AD9 in FRP...looked good

Montego

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Why you feel you must come in and defend charles it's beyond me. But I was making a point Supernaut. My point being was no matter how much you think your **** doesn't stink, well guess what? To someone else it does. That is why in my first post I stated "since you are asking for opinions" meaning otherwise I would not say anything.

Yes so timeless that yours doesn't have the stock bumper either.

Yes to you... But not to me. Get my drift? If everyone felt the way you do there wouldn't be so much demand for aftermarket headlights that do not retract. Let's see off the top of my head: RE amemiyas, c-west, evo r, R majic, pre-autos, rotary extreme, east bears, and in fact there are some being developed right now by a forum member in this very section.

When it comes to styling there is no right nor wrong, just opinions. Hence he gave me his and I gave him mine. Just like I will give mine about yours in a minute See how this can get?

Well thanks cool. But I don't recall asking for your opinion when I ordered my lights. Just like you didn't ask for my mine when you went out and built a replica Spirit R. But I'll be honest I can't get past that either as all I see is a fake. To me it's in the same category as someone who buys a 3 series bimmer and goes out and gets an m3 badge, pretty cheesy. It's trying to be something that it's not even if they even obtain a rare spririt R number identification plate And I am being truthful in my comments so don't think I'm being vindictive. In fact my car is now yellow but on purpose it is not CYM or sunburst yellow. As I didn't want anyone thinking otherwise.

Again opinions are like ******** everybody's got them. I never told you what I thought because why should I? It's your car but there it is.

Supernaut

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I'm not defending Charlie but I'm defending the idea that the stock bumper and lights are stale. I mentioned your car because I actually do like it and think it would look 10x better with the stock popups or anything other then the lights you have now and because of the context in which you mentioned the stock stuff. You attacked the stock stuff because you said it looked stale. I defended them by saying I think that the popups aged better then the headlights you have now or most of anything that is aftermarket.

Just because its not on my car, doesn't mean I don't like it. Just because the bumper is timeless doesn't mean I think it is the best either. Do I think the Mercedes Benz 190E is timeless? Hell yeah. Would I trade any of my FDs for one? Noooo. Well maybe the my crappy one. It is pretty crappy and the 190E is pretty epic.

Of course I get your drift. We all like what we like but this is a forum. If we don't discuss, then what is the point? This is an FD styling thread. Of course stuff like this is going to be discussed.

UGH. I hate them all. I'd love to see a non popup aftermarket kit that looks good. Its very rare that you find a car with them that looks right. As of right now, the only ones I have seen that are cool usually require a different bumper to go with it. Trust me, I'd love to see some more come out.

I don't mind hearing your opinion. I don't take it personally although it seems like you are trying to somehow make it that way. Everything you say seems to be more of an attack, especially what you said to Charlie but I'll give you the benefit of the doubt.

If I didn't want to hear anything about my car, I wouldn't post pics of it, have it in my sig or have my car be in my album. As for the response to my car, yea it is fake. Its a replica. That is kind of the whole point. If you don't do your best to complete it, why bother? Cheesy? Sure I can see how people would think that. I kind of think that of the car as well. I've spoken to alot of people about it. Hell, you know how many people told me that buying the Spirit R tag was crazy and that it will not make it an actual Spirit R (not the point of the tag anyway)? Man tons of people. I didn't get defensive and start attacking them. There is no reason to. Everyone has an ******* (haaa) and just because it is different than your opinion, it doesn't mean it is an attack on you. As for the badge, yea. In a way, I kind of feel like those guys that add Type R stickers to their cars (knowing that it will add that extra +5hp, which mine do). Hell I've seen a GTR badge on a sentra once. I've seen the same badge on a mustang in a video. WOW. After all, thats definitely all I did to my car, just get the badges right? I don't think a replica is cheesy at all if you do what you can to make it and it is well done. Sure that AC cobra replica you see may be a kit car but I wouldn't call it cheesy. I wouldn't call it fake either because the owner probably isn't claiming it is genuine (I've never met anyone that lied about this). If its well done, I'll think it's pretty awesome. Come on man, don't lie, replica or not, I'm sure you would love to drive the AC cobra.

Like I said, I welcome all opinions. I'm glad yours are truthful and you shared them but the way you put it out there seems vindictive and it may also seem that way because of the way you responded to Charlie's post. As I said before, I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and I harbor no ill feelings towards you or your opinion about my car.

Thanks! I don't mind hearing these things. In the end, I built the car the way I wanted it but I put my car out there for everyone to see so they can form opinions on it to. Good or bad, I love hearing what people think. In fact, I've been considering making another FD picture thread that would welcome all criticism and opinions to whoever posts. As long as you don't take things to seriously, you'll realize no matter how bad the criticisms get, its still all fun. That is one of the things I really enjoyed about the old picture thread. I've said it before and I'll say it again. My worst fear for this forum is that it will become an eternal circle jerk of compliments. Say what you want about Gordon's car, he does what he wants with it, puts it all out there and listens to what people have to say. That is what a forum is about.

I agree bally. I think that is one of the few good kits out there. I really like that new feed one to with those headlights. What is your budget btw?

bally89

Are you talking about the evil looking afflux kit from FEED, with the stretched headlights that go down into the bumper? I have to say I'm not a fan, I think it changes the look of the car completely and doesn't look natural or balanced...thats why Im aiming to go for the burnout now to accentuate the curves of the FD

My budget, well, cash is not in abundance at the moment but I like to work toward things and right now Im working towards my exterior mods (the kit and RE-A lights). I need to price up these elements and then see how long it takes to get there. I'm looking for a bargain on the RE-A with a decent used pair, and if not then I guess its straight to Japan. It's bloody hard trying to find em! I'd love to go HID on them eventually as well..

With regards to the kit, Rotaryart appear to have the Shine Auto kit on their site for purchase here in the UK, but they have not got back to me about a package price. The individual components added up to around 2500GBP (around $4000).

Blew all my recent cash doing mods under the bonnet, just ordered a twin power from across the pond and am waiting for that to turn up...Switched my HKS twin filters for apexis last week, seems to give a nicer sound when turbos spool up (still on stock twins).

Montego

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Well ok if say that you weren’t defending Charlie, I’ll take you at your word. But it didn’t come off like that given that you explicitly compared mine to his, and not the actual parts. You also mentioned that you didn’t know much about wheels so you weren’t going to comment on that. Now if you weren’t defending Charlie there is zero added value to the wheels statement as it only sets and adversarial stance given the earlier comparison. With those two statements you can easily see how your response to a conversation that didn’t pertain to you, nor your car can be viewed as coming in and defending someone.

But back to Charlie’s ride. It is stale. It’s a stock looking 93 with some wheels on it. Yeah big whoop-de-do: “Oh look! This car was just like mine when I bought it” not much to get excited over. Everything about it is vanilla. The one thing that is aftermarket is his wheels and it’s the most common wheel that is seen with FD’s. Even then he didn’t do anything with them either. They aren’t two toned, nor is it slammed, nor crazy offsets nothing. At least the other people that have them do things with their look either with offsets, color, or compliment them with another part of the car. So yeah it is S-T-A-L-E

What do you think stale means?

Stale:
1. Having lost freshness, effervescence, or palatability.
2. Lacking originality or spontaneity
3. Impaired in efficacy, vigor, or spirit, as from inactivity or boredom.
4. Law Having lost effectiveness or force through lack of exercise or action.

His ride is certainly #2 but #1 applies as well given that anyone in 1992 could have had his look. Just because you like it (and I’m sure a lot of people do as well) doesn’t mean it doesn’t lack originality.

Check out this ride: It’s basically stock looking but it is NOT stale:





Fair enough.

Timeless doesn’t mean ageless. Are you going to try and tell me that the 190E looks like it was built in the last 5 years? Hell no that’s an 80’s car and it looks it. That was the point of my post since Charlie was so quick to point out that my car was set back ten years when IMO his looks even older. The stock USDM FD came out in 92 (yeah it’s labeled 93 but they were already out on the roads in mid 92). And frankly it does look it.

So how many of these cars successors still have pop ups?







Now check the stock rx-7: it totally fits the era that it was designed in.


Another interesting design cue of the late mid 80’s early 90’s is the back end. If you look at the rear end of most cars in that era the taillights section stretched from one end of the car to the other. Just like the FD does.



So yes the FD looks like a 90’s car especially in stock form, it’s a gorgeous piece of machinery but to deny that you are just fooling yourself. Funny after I changed out my lights people started commenting on how it resembled the C6 vette (built 13 years after the FD). Yet you think it dates the car pre-1992, but it’s ok it’s your opinion that the car looks dated and everyone sees things differently.

Except that the topic of discussion was a particular body kit. Notice how we derailed the thread/ Sorry O.P.

Still makes my point. There is a demand for aftermarket non pop ups whether you like them or not.

Trust me if I was trying to make it personal there would be zero doubt on your mind. My reply to Charlie had a smilie on it to show my tone. If you choose to ignore what an emoticons meaning is it’s on you. Even still what do you care how I reply to Charlie if in fact you weren’t defending him? See aaaaw Besides Charlie can take it as he is the king of one liner’s smartass remarks. If you don’t agree then you haven’t seen him post.

So by placing it on your sig you are looking to derail threads? The place for comments is clearly the photo album that is why right under the pic there a place for a comment. I on the other hand place my car on my sig so people can associate how I relate to the forum (the car) and also do they make a connection with my postings and with who I am when they meet me in person. The true meaning of a sig as otherwise it would have a comment section right under it as well.

It wasn’t an attack given that you two decided to open that door I walked through it Perhaps it felt like one because it stung a little? Look at my words it was all in the context of IMO. Meaning to me and not a fact.

That is your opinion and I respect it, but it isn’t mine.

No nope not all. If I thought a replica was awesome I would have bought one by now. It’s not like they are out of reach to the common man anyway.

I love Gordon’s car. It’s classy and very original, from the HRE’s to his Knightsport headlight kit (non frog eyed pop ups). Also Gordon has enough class not to make rash comments where they are not warranted. Why do you think negative comments aren’t allowed in the pic thread?