Burnout Front Fender FD's: Please Chime In...
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Burnout Front Fender FD's: Please Chime In...
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Well I had a question for anyone who has Burnout Front Fenders installed in their FD. The question is what are your impressions of fitment compared to stock fenders? What do you think about the quality of the product and particularly how well it fits with the stock lines of the car?
Basically, I'm deciding whether to make the Burnout Front fenders in metal. I've already done this with the rear fenders [https://www.rx7club.com/showthread.php?t=715058] and was considering doing the same for the front ones. I've had the front fenders on the car for about a couple years now. I don't drive the car much but ever since I purchased them I've had issues with the fitment. If anyone knows me they KNOW I'm just about as particular as it gets with my FD and especially with any kits that I put on it. I always expect the best quality and to be honest these NEVER lived up to that
. The biggest issues I found were where they bolt up to the body and where they come together with the door. There's a very large gap and they seem to droop in at that point. I've contemplated swapping these out for another kit for a LONG time, but decided I love the Burnout kit so this wasn't an option.
Anyways, I'm seriously considering having a set made for me of the Burnout front fenders in metal. I wanted to see if anyone else had the same problems with fitment, etc. that I have and whether they'd be interested in something like this? I'm hoping to hear from anyone who actually has this kit or even another aftermarket widebody front fender setup that they're dissappointed with. Would you all be interested and do you think this is something worthwhile?
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Rizwan
Well I had a question for anyone who has Burnout Front Fenders installed in their FD. The question is what are your impressions of fitment compared to stock fenders? What do you think about the quality of the product and particularly how well it fits with the stock lines of the car?
Basically, I'm deciding whether to make the Burnout Front fenders in metal. I've already done this with the rear fenders [https://www.rx7club.com/showthread.php?t=715058] and was considering doing the same for the front ones. I've had the front fenders on the car for about a couple years now. I don't drive the car much but ever since I purchased them I've had issues with the fitment. If anyone knows me they KNOW I'm just about as particular as it gets with my FD and especially with any kits that I put on it. I always expect the best quality and to be honest these NEVER lived up to that
. The biggest issues I found were where they bolt up to the body and where they come together with the door. There's a very large gap and they seem to droop in at that point. I've contemplated swapping these out for another kit for a LONG time, but decided I love the Burnout kit so this wasn't an option. Anyways, I'm seriously considering having a set made for me of the Burnout front fenders in metal. I wanted to see if anyone else had the same problems with fitment, etc. that I have and whether they'd be interested in something like this? I'm hoping to hear from anyone who actually has this kit or even another aftermarket widebody front fender setup that they're dissappointed with. Would you all be interested and do you think this is something worthwhile?
Thanks in Advance,
Rizwan
07-25-08, 06:01 PM
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I have the Shine Auto Burnout fenders on my FD. Myself and my friends 17 year old brother put them on in no time at all, it was just like replacing them with stock. It took a little adjusting around the door, but that was because they were too close and the door was hitting them when opening, not because there was too much gap.
The one spot where the fitment is less than desireable is at the top of the fender where it meets the a-pillar. On each side there is about a 1/2" gap. Otherwise, I think they are great (other than the flat wheel well arches).
I have the Shine Auto Burnout fenders on my FD. Myself and my friends 17 year old brother put them on in no time at all, it was just like replacing them with stock. It took a little adjusting around the door, but that was because they were too close and the door was hitting them when opening, not because there was too much gap.
The one spot where the fitment is less than desireable is at the top of the fender where it meets the a-pillar. On each side there is about a 1/2" gap. Otherwise, I think they are great (other than the flat wheel well arches).
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damnit riz your half the reason why im broke some times lol. i would soo be down for this if you got them in metal. I have been wanting a set to get for a little bit now.
07-25-08, 07:54 PM
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I took a pic of one of the spots where I am not totally happy with the fitment. If I adjust so the fender meets the stock line here, the door hits it.
I figure some side skirts will cover this, but at the moment I don't have any that I want to put on the car
The passanger side has the a-pillar space issue.
I figure some side skirts will cover this, but at the moment I don't have any that I want to put on the car
The passanger side has the a-pillar space issue.
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Riz,
I have the Shine Auto Burnout fenders on my FD. Myself and my friends 17 year old brother put them on in no time at all, it was just like replacing them with stock. It took a little adjusting around the door, but that was because they were too close and the door was hitting them when opening, not because there was too much gap.
The one spot where the fitment is less than desireable is at the top of the fender where it meets the a-pillar. On each side there is about a 1/2" gap. Otherwise, I think they are great (other than the flat wheel well arches).
I have the Shine Auto Burnout fenders on my FD. Myself and my friends 17 year old brother put them on in no time at all, it was just like replacing them with stock. It took a little adjusting around the door, but that was because they were too close and the door was hitting them when opening, not because there was too much gap.
The one spot where the fitment is less than desireable is at the top of the fender where it meets the a-pillar. On each side there is about a 1/2" gap. Otherwise, I think they are great (other than the flat wheel well arches).
I took a pic of one of the spots where I am not totally happy with the fitment. If I adjust so the fender meets the stock line here, the door hits it.
I figure some side skirts will cover this, but at the moment I don't have any that I want to put on the car
The passanger side has the a-pillar space issue.
I figure some side skirts will cover this, but at the moment I don't have any that I want to put on the car
The passanger side has the a-pillar space issue.
I have the EXACT same problems with the fenders. I wanted to post this thread up to see whether it was my fenders alone or this was a general issue with these
. These are actually the second set I've had so far and although they're better than the originals, that isn't saying much. The goal of this thread is NOT to bash any shop or manufacturer I just simply wanted to see if this was an ongoing problem and whether others like me were looking for a great, quality solution.Mine too have gaps where the fender meets the A-pillar as well as hitting the door every time I open the door too far and then again when closing the door. It's started to chip the paint off both the fender and door every time they rub against each other
. I'll wait to see if others will chime in, but I'm already in talks to hopefully find a reasonably affordable quality solution to this problem. I basically want stock fitting, metal Burnout front fenders and I'm going to do my best to see that it happens...
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LoL...Tom, that's my goal!
No, but seriously I just love the FD and as much as I enjoy modifying it, I can't justify aesthetics for quality or vice versa. I want both!!!
07-25-08, 09:00 PM
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I have the EXACT same problems with the fenders. I wanted to post this thread up to see whether it was my fenders alone or this was a general issue with these . These are actually the second set I've had so far and although they're better than the originals, that isn't saying much. The goal of this thread is NOT to bash any shop or manufacturer I just simply wanted to see if this was an ongoing problem and whether others like me were looking for a great, quality solution.
Mine too have gaps where the fender meets the A-pillar as well as hitting the door every time I open the door too far and then again when closing the door. It's started to chip the paint off both the fender and door every time they rub against each other . I'll wait to see if others will chime in, but I'm already in talks to hopefully find a reasonably affordable quality solution to this problem. I basically want stock fitting, metal Burnout front fenders and I'm going to do my best to see that it happens...
. These are actually the second set I've had so far and although they're better than the originals, that isn't saying much. The goal of this thread is NOT to bash any shop or manufacturer I just simply wanted to see if this was an ongoing problem and whether others like me were looking for a great, quality solution.Mine too have gaps where the fender meets the A-pillar as well as hitting the door every time I open the door too far and then again when closing the door. It's started to chip the paint off both the fender and door every time they rub against each other
. I'll wait to see if others will chime in, but I'm already in talks to hopefully find a reasonably affordable quality solution to this problem. I basically want stock fitting, metal Burnout front fenders and I'm going to do my best to see that it happens...
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07-27-08, 01:01 AM
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I suppose it depends on how picky one is. I have the Shine Burnout fenders as well, and see the same fitment. Some may be perfectly happy with the way it fits out of the box, while those that are **** may not be.
I'm using flexible, urethane filler (which cures to a hard rubber-like characteristic, not brittle like traditional filler) to fix the 'issues'. One of the things I also did was smooth the transition from the fender to the bumper, as illustrated in this post:
https://www.rx7club.com/showpost.php...&postcount=211
I'm doing some other things as well, such as reshaping the kidney vents and adding a bit more edge to the corners to modernize the design a bit.
Frankly, I don't expect perfection on a low volume, hand made/laid composite piece, and don't mind massaging it a bit. I am doing a bit more work than most, I'd guess. Likewise, my guess is the complete fender is likely too complex and expensive to reproduce in metal, at least consistently like an OEM piece.
Honestly, I think the best option for an 'all metal' fender is to reproduce only the flare portion (like the rear flares) and then weld it to the stock fender. You get the OEM fit, and the added benefit of the flare, and cost a lot less to boot.
I'm using flexible, urethane filler (which cures to a hard rubber-like characteristic, not brittle like traditional filler) to fix the 'issues'. One of the things I also did was smooth the transition from the fender to the bumper, as illustrated in this post:
https://www.rx7club.com/showpost.php...&postcount=211
I'm doing some other things as well, such as reshaping the kidney vents and adding a bit more edge to the corners to modernize the design a bit.
Frankly, I don't expect perfection on a low volume, hand made/laid composite piece, and don't mind massaging it a bit. I am doing a bit more work than most, I'd guess. Likewise, my guess is the complete fender is likely too complex and expensive to reproduce in metal, at least consistently like an OEM piece.
Honestly, I think the best option for an 'all metal' fender is to reproduce only the flare portion (like the rear flares) and then weld it to the stock fender. You get the OEM fit, and the added benefit of the flare, and cost a lot less to boot.
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07-27-08, 08:34 AM
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I suppose it depends on how picky one is. I have the Shine Burnout fenders as well, and see the same fitment. Some may be perfectly happy with the way it fits out of the box, while those that are **** may not be.
I'm using flexible, urethane filler (which cures to a hard rubber-like characteristic, not brittle like traditional filler) to fix the 'issues'. One of the things I also did was smooth the transition from the fender to the bumper, as illustrated in this post:
https://www.rx7club.com/showpost.php...&postcount=211
I'm doing some other things as well, such as reshaping the kidney vents and adding a bit more edge to the corners to modernize the design a bit.
Frankly, I don't expect perfection on a low volume, hand made/laid composite piece, and don't mind massaging it a bit. I am doing a bit more work than most, I'd guess. Likewise, my guess is the complete fender is likely too complex and expensive to reproduce in metal, at least consistently like an OEM piece.
I'm using flexible, urethane filler (which cures to a hard rubber-like characteristic, not brittle like traditional filler) to fix the 'issues'. One of the things I also did was smooth the transition from the fender to the bumper, as illustrated in this post:
https://www.rx7club.com/showpost.php...&postcount=211
I'm doing some other things as well, such as reshaping the kidney vents and adding a bit more edge to the corners to modernize the design a bit.
Frankly, I don't expect perfection on a low volume, hand made/laid composite piece, and don't mind massaging it a bit. I am doing a bit more work than most, I'd guess. Likewise, my guess is the complete fender is likely too complex and expensive to reproduce in metal, at least consistently like an OEM piece.
I agree that some aren't as picky as others, but I know others do fall into the same category as myself. I wasn't expecting "perfection" either, but the fact is that these were replicated and claimed to be done so to provide better fitment and quality. Although, I have no way of confirming whether these actually fit better than the Original KS Fenders, I still think they're slightly better based on what I've seen in pictures.
You seem to have done quite a bit of work to the fenders you initially purchased and although that *may* work for you it doesn't work for all of us. Personally, I'd rather spend the money one time rather than have to work out the issues by other means. It seems like you have experience with bodywork, which I completely lack so I KNOW it would get costly to do any of the things you described.
Finally, another major point to consider is that since these are fiberglass at the end of the day they're prone to breaking, cracking, etc. So, if some of us took the route you did and one of our fenders got damaged we'd have to replace it, correct? Basically, leaving us to perform all that time-consuming, possibly costly bodywork a second, third, fourth time depending on how often we get into that predicament.
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LoL...Thanks! Honestly, these are just things that have bothered me for sometime. It also probably has a lot to do with the fact that I started with a stock-bodied 7, then modified it to an OEM '99 spec one and now ended up with a custom mixture kit. I've been able to notice the large differences in fitment of the "other" kits compared to OEM. I've used it as a benchmark ever since and I just want something that fits as well as those.
Also, the fender hitting the door every time I open and close the door isn't acceptable to me. It keeps chipping off paint and annoys me to no end. If it was just one issue with these I would probably be able to work with it, but theres atleast 3-4 major issues I can point out, which is why I'm looking for a solution...
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I took a pic of one of the spots where I am not totally happy with the fitment. If I adjust so the fender meets the stock line here, the door hits it.
I figure some side skirts will cover this, but at the moment I don't have any that I want to put on the car
The passanger side has the a-pillar space issue.
I figure some side skirts will cover this, but at the moment I don't have any that I want to put on the car
The passanger side has the a-pillar space issue.
Also the Shine auto burnout front fenders were great. they took no time at all to install and even less time to get the gaps right.
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I'm not sure what to do about the A-Pillar problem, but FWIW, I was able to get them to stop rubbing the doors by loosening the two bolts on the bottom slightly and carefully pushing the fender foward while tightening the bolts. Like I showed in the picturem this creates a gap at the bottom where the body lines don't quite match up but some OEM sideskirts would cover that nicely
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Well, I've talked it over and we've decided to go ahead and start designing these in metal. We're just discussing the options right now and MOST importantly addressing the issues with fitment. I'll update this thread accordingly. Feel free to chime in though...
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That`s good to hear...
Will this be addon`s or the hole fender?
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We're actually tryin' to determine that right now. Still in the planning stages as of right now. I'm hoping we can come up with a solution that would be as easy as possible to install = No additional bodywork or cost (Aside from painting, of course).
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Jesse, that's actually one of the major details we're trying to figure out. The problem is that if we had the customer send in their "core" fenders, they would need to be in great condition. We'd also be concerned about customer shipping since I know first-hand that shipping front fenders is NOT the simplest task.
We're still in the process of determining the most efficient, cost-effective route to pursue and depending on what we determine, I'll provide further details. As of right now, we're in the planning stages and just trying to determine how to best address the issues with the plastic fenders.
We're still in the process of determining the most efficient, cost-effective route to pursue and depending on what we determine, I'll provide further details. As of right now, we're in the planning stages and just trying to determine how to best address the issues with the plastic fenders.