dcamcoTII

How difficult is it to get 6.5" coax's in the shock towers?? And also how is this accomplished?? How difficult would it be to use the grilles that come with the speakers?? Any help/pics would be great. Thanks
Drew

asherwood

I installed Polk's using a home made aluminum trim ring 'cause the stock 4" speakers used a dished mounting plate that did not lend itself well to the larger diameter speakers. The stock grill could them be installed right back where it came from allowing the rear hatch cover to still be used, I like a stealthy setup.

I would recommend against the replacement grills they would only advertise that you have aftermarket gear and invite those less scrupious types to help themself to your hard earned toys!

Icemark

asherwood is esentially correct.

Two metal screws and two plastic retaining screws to remove the cover. Then you may or may not need to make a support ring (depends on the speaker option your car has- some have 4 inch speakers in tuned port amplified enclosures, and some have 6" in trim rings).

I too would recommend keeping the stock grills rather than an aftermarket speaker grill.

dcamcoTII

I have the 4" speakers now. Is there any better way of doing it then just making a replacement piece that holds a 6.5" rather than a 4"? Do I need to make an entire enclusure??

BOOSTD 7

No no no ... just get the stock trim rings off a 2nd gen base model. Stock those have 6.5" in the rear. Just get those, stick them on the your speaker pod and seal it all up good with silicone .. fill the pod with polyfill.

But don't use full-range speakers in the rear! It'll throw off the imaging of your entire system. Just use a good mid-range speaker in there.

dcamcoTII

Thanks, I was planning on using some 2-way speakers, probably some infinity kappas. I am still not sure if it will be worth the extra money over the refrences for rear speakers. Also, I dont have any door speakers, I have 4" kenwood components in the dash and a sony xplod 800watt 12. Any reccomendations on shock tower speakers for my setup?? I'd also like to hear suggestions on where to place the tweeter half of my front components. I was considering the piece of plastic opposite the side mirrors, but I'm not sure that is close enough, any sugestions??

dcamcoTII

http://www.angelfire.com/dc/dcamco/i...ereosetup.html

This was the setup i was suggested to use. That has the components seperated, and the rear tweeters and woofers are just a pair of 2 way speakers. I was going to bi-amp them. Does this look like a good setup??

PaulC

Actually they are 6" stock and you have to trim the rin to mount 6.5" in the towers. Im running just mids and highs in the towers.

BOOSTD 7

Kappas would be fine for rear fill ... don't waste you money on higher end stuff for back there. Like I said before, just get a decent 6.5" midbass speaker. CDT are my personal favorite. Just goto you local shop and look for a sale on some, or go online to www.thezeb.com or www.sounddomain.com

Putting the tweets where you say is fine, but running the wire through the door is a bitch. Save yourself the trouble and mount them in the corners of the dash angled toward the center of the car.

Oh, and get rid of that Xplod sub ... please!

BOOSTD 7

Whatever they are, I've fit probably 4-5 different sets of 6.5's in them.

dcamcoTII

Whats wrong with my sub??? I only got it cuz it was $45.

turbotwista

hey man when I had my 1990 GXL it had 4" in the rear to make the 6.5" fit I took a grinder and grinded out the hole to make it fit. It was a little tight but hey it only took me 15 min. The speakers I used were Pioneer Premier 2-ways.

I wouldn't recomend using the grills that come with the speakers either you would just be advertising for a would be theif.

I hope this helps you out.

dcamcoTII

What have you guys done with your front 4" speakers as far as mounting goes?? did you keep the box on the passenger side? Has anyone gotten any of the rubber baffles and used those to seal up the speaker? BTW-I'm running a 4" woofer in that location.

asherwood

I used a lesser know brand, 'Coustic' at the time the only component midrange 4" speaker that I could find, it has the same mounting size as the stock 4" and is also the same as a Pioneer 4" so I suspect that it is a standard mount (DIN?), the end result was fantastic!

Not sure about what you mean about the box on the passanger side, mine had none. Locally I haven't seen the rubber baffles that you mention, they may help a little, but so far I haven't heard any problems with the 4" mids mounted in the dash, open backed.

Is there an online source for these baffles?

dcamcoTII

Here are the baffles:
http://www.crutchfield.com/cgi-bin/S...=237XT42&o=&a=

Whats the final verdict on mounting the tweets reverse side of the miror with 4" woofers in the dash location?? good or bad idea. running the wire to he door is not an issue.

asherwood

thanks for the URL, I personally wouldn't consider the 4" a woofer, not even mid-base as it's size precludes any meaningful amount of audible output on those regions, it's a mid range speaker. I would recommend a 6-1/2" in the door to handle the midbass frequencies.

My tweeters are mounted on top of the dash right a the base of the "A" piller, I chose this location to bounce the highs off of the windshield and to make getting the wires to them a heck of a lot easier!

This with the 4" mids in the stock location and the 6-1/2" in the door work beautifully, imaging is very good and the setup has a suprising amount of bass! ( still going to add a sub in the future).

dcamcoTII

asherwood-- do you have any pics of the tweets?
also-- what do you have in the rear??
I have 6.5's in the rear along w/ a 12" sub and the 4" components in the front stock location. I figured the 6.5's in the doors could wait.

asherwood

Sorry, no pics of the tweets, I was hoping the girlfriend was going to get me a digital camera for Xmas, but I guess that I will have to buy that one, all I got was a shirt and tie! LOL

In the rear towers I have POLK EX605a coax's (they're on the Crutchfield site).

Up front you'll notice a definite improvement in the sound clarity if you add the tweets, if you don't want to add the door speaker you could always use a 2-way component set (4" plus tweeter and Xover).

BTW where did you put the sub and what's powering it?, and are you happy with it?

dcamcoTII

I have the same polks in the back. And for the front i have kenwood 4" components. I got the components b/c i dont have any easy way of putting in door speakers (i have pockets there) . As far as the sub goes, I have an Xplod 800watt 12" powered by a lanzar vibe 530 5-channel 1000 watt. The box runs almost parallet to the slope of the glass and sets about 4-5 inches away so it bounces off the glass. ub sounds great, much better than my 10 in the bandpass. If i can get ahold of a camera i'll take some pics of what i have so far. Only problem with the sub is that its in a location that just says "steal me", looks like im gonna have to invest in some dark tint for the hatch soon.
P.S. I havent got the components yet, they are in the mail which is why i wanna know where to put em.

asherwood

I'll see if I can borrow a camera and take a couple of pics showing the position of the tweeters.

I'm planning to build a custom box and mount the sub in the spare tire area, trying to keep it low profile so no one will be tempted to help themselves!

Which set do you decide on?

dcamcoTII

These are the components that I have ordered:
http://www.crutchfield.com/S-TaGicP0...113KFCP403&s=0

asherwood

They should do the trick, are you going to cap off the input to the crossover?, or does your deck have a hi pass filter?

dcamcoTII

Why do i need to cap anyting off?? I have never dealt with components and I have no idea how to work em. My deck probably dosent do much, its the sony mp3 one (cdx-mp450x).

asherwood

The idea about 'capping off' the speaker set is to prevent the bass from overdriving a speaker that is not designed to handle it. The largest speaker in the component set or a coaxial set is responsible for the lowest frequencies, if it is too small and you pump up the volume and the bass in an attempt to get the system 'pounding' you are in danger of blowing out the speaker!

The crossover that is included with the component set or the cap that you will find mounted beside the tweeter in a coaxial set is designed to prevent the bass from damaging the tweeter (capping off).

Some deck manufacturers have finally started to add a crossover function that allows you to enable a hi-pass filter to electronically cap-off the speakers and prevent the bass from overdriving them. With this feature enabled you can then use the pre-outs from the deck to drive an amplifier attached to the sub (designed specifically for bass). My Pioneer CD deck has adjustable hi-pass filters and adjustable lo-pass sub per-outs. VERY handy feature!

There are a number of other methods for bass management, it just depends on you preference, parts available and how deep you pockets($) are

If you would like further options or ideas, let me know...

dcamcoTII

alright, thanks. Now I need to figure out how to install the deck. How in the hell do you screw the back of the reciever into the back of the hole??
I am completley lost on this one.