David Hayes

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I think the issue here for Dan is consistency with the way the shrouds fit. On some cars there was not an issue and on others, the fitment was not up to his standard. So, he's attempting to resolve this by using a modified stock shroud, which gives an OEM fit particularly on the top lip of the shrouds. On the OEM shroud, the top lip has an edge that fits snugly into the light covers. On the sleepy eye shrouds, this doesn't exist and can cause gapping problems.

My set of shrouds that started all of this fit my car fine, but that took some heating up of the shrouds with a heat gun to bend and massage them into place. Dan was trying to fix this, which the taller design does, but in doing that, the height was raised. I agree that to now try to take the raised height ones with the better top lip and modify those to a more sleepy look would be quite a bit of work.

So, I'd also recommend to Dan to go with the sleepy look ones and call it a day. The buyer will have to know it is possible some adjustments will need to be made and if that is okay with everyone, then let's get this GB rolling

RCCAZ 1

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^^Agreed David. No matter how perfect, with any kit there will be a certain amount of "customization" from car to car to get things to fit perfectly. For some, the fitment will be spot on, while others will need to heat and bend things slightly to get things to their liking. Also, some owners are more "****" about fitment than others, but I think the vast majority of buyers will like the kit in the "Toyzzz" configuration as shown.

BLACK MAMBA

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We are all ready to buy let get this going

Ryan M

I hate to be the counterpoint but...

Personally, I'd like to see em' sit as low as the Veilside kit.
If it can be done (without major changes in the shroud or arm) I'm willing to wait a bit longer to get it right:



MERRY CHRISTMAS !!

Ryan M

Toyzzzz set-up is dope tho. If that's the ways its gotta be... I'm in either way

David Hayes

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^ I think the general consensus is the lower of the two looks, or the ones on Toyzzz car.

mightymikee

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My issues for the most part are, in the order of importance:

1. The stock headlamps screams 80s.
2. It opens way too much. Also screams 80s.

as long as they don't open as much, I am fine with that.

I got impatient and ordered a few lamps from Hella 60mms and 90mms.

I am ready to do my own if this doesn't get moved along soon. Got some fiberglass and resin left over and will have 3 weeks to tinker with in a week!

BTW, Dan, would you share what size heim joints and connecting rods they are or better yet where you got them from?

TIA

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There used to be a thread from 2009/2010 that David Hayes started, that basically outlined how to do the kit yourself. I'm not sure if that thread exists anymore or was taken down to benefit this "project".

Maybe David can direct you to it or let us know what happened to it.

leafs89

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I have no issues... I like Toyyzz kit that is bang on in my book. I'm jumpin in late here but I wish you the best on this creation and i want a set as soon as available!

superdan50

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Long story short, it's no longer there.

I have a plan at this point, and if I can execute it as planned, there should be some good movement soon.

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Do you mind sharing the plan?

On November 23 you told us:
You then introduced a new design, asked for our opinions and we shared them... but you didn't acknowledge them. Are you going with the old design or the new design?

It feels like you set December 1 as "done" but now another month has gone by and it doesn't seem any closer to being "done".

silentblu

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I have Dan's second and first shroud design. As David said, the consistency part is of concern for when you install the kit.

The second shroud design in a way eliminates that issue with consistent installation (drilling holes for the new nylon bracket in the first post). This is of concern to Dan and everyone, because the drilling part is what affects how sleepy it is as well as the headlight operation (up/down) Dan has a major concern about lights opening and closing properly. I believe another test-fitter had issues with this.

I owe Dan some measurements, as well as items he wanted me to check so some of the delay is my fault. I have advised Dan on where on the second shroud he can make it sleepier. It is about 0.5-0.75inches in height difference from first and second shroud as it stands now. So, overall sleepy still.

silentblu

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BTW merry christmas all =)

Chixican

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Wouldn't it be just easier to manufacture new arms for the headlight motors? Or have folks send in their arms to be modified so that you can keep the drilling consistent? Seems like a solution to the headlight arm should be a simple one.

RX7 RAGE

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sleepier option ftw

mightymikee

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What is happening with this?

superdan50

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I'm waiting to get the shroud back from my test fitter.

Randall.K

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Any news?

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Please review my previous posts in this thread.

...I'm sure it's just one more thing.

Randall.K

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Not useful and disrespectful to the developer. Keep comments like this to yourself please.

Under PSI

If I said one thing that wasn't true - I *might* feel bad. However, I'll argue that prodding Superdan seems to have pushed him a tad or at least pushed the conversation. If I'm an ******* for that so be it.

But the fact is, Superdan isn't the developer of this kit - just the person trying to take it into "production". This was once an *open source* project. David Hayes (and Jesus, and the crew at his shop) *the actual developers of this* as per usual were kind enough to make a thread and share how it was done and what was needed to do this yourself (part #s and all).

Sometime in 2011 or 2012 a decision was made to turn this into a commercial project and Superdan was the person tapped to do it - and all the "DIY" info was scrubbed from the site. Since then, there have been multiple threads by Superdan (this is just the latest) comprised mostly of "rah rah" from the crowd and "just one more thing" from Superdan. Many people have said "if you're don't want to wait, why not just do it yourself?" - well - that would be much easier if the DIY wasn't taken down.

All that said, the silver lining to this whole project is that I heard a rumor another one of the parts developers on the forum IS developing basically this same kit using the same lighting, similar design and should have a production kit out pretty soon.

David Hayes

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^ If I may add some clarity here so we can all have the same basis of understanding:

You are correct I came up with the original design as I wanted something that was not available on the market. At the time there were a few DIY "sleepy eye" projects on the forum and these were my inspiration so to speak. I spent quite a bit of effort researching how to best do this and was fortunate enough to have Kilo take my ideas and turn them into the set of lights now on my car. You guys don't want to know the total paid to make this happen as it's quite high, but I am very pleased with the look and performance.

SuperDan, a very cool guy, contacted me and asked if he could take the work and make a production kit out of it. I have no problems with this as I'm not in the business of producing lights and if other forum members can benefit, no issues from me as he was gracious to call and ask for approval. Since then, he's spent much effort redoing my one-off set to make something that is production worthy. This task has not been an easy one for him and he's improved the original design so you guys can have something that is quality and will last. I had the pleasure of getting to know Dan during this and he's one of the most consciensious and detailed persons I've met. I have also seen most of the major components and they are top-notch. He IS close to having this released as a production product and I have encouraged him as others have to not worry about some of the smaller issues and get the kit out for sale. Also note I am in no way benefiting from this with the exception of seeing you guys get access to a cool look and a quality product.

On the DIY information being scrubbed from the site, that had nothing to do with this project going commercial. That was a result of the mods on the forum and their misperceptions of the intent of the info I posted. There were a number of conversations with them in an attempt to get the DIY thread back but those were unsuccessful and a decision was made to relocate some of the information to this thread, including also portions of the multiple SuperDan threads to which you refer.

Regarding your "just one more thing" comments, there have been a number of nagging issues that have delayed the project. I am not aware of all of Dan's efforts, but I have discussed with him several of these and he's worked to find a good solution. The last of these was the fit of the shrouds and my opinion and those of several others, based on the alternative he recently offered, was to just go with the original shrouds and let the customer "massage" them into place if needed.

Regarding the DIY "just do it yourself" comments, yes, it would be easier if the DIY info remained but as discussed above, that had nothing to do with Dan's commercialization of the design. Maybe a mod reading this can find a way to resurrect the old info and repost it.

Finally, concerning the "silver lining" comment, may I ask who is replicating the design? I'd be very disappointed with one of the current vendors taking what I've done and producing it without having discussed it with me. Again, I'm not interested in money, it would just be nice to have heard from whomever is doing this.

superdan50

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I apologize for the lack of updates. Right now I'm just waiting to get the headlight shroud back from my fitter. Once I get that info I can go ahead and mock up the preferred sleepier look. Which shouldn't take long, seeing as the first one only took me about a week.

leafs89

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No worries we still have a few months until the nice weather arrives!

David Hayes

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Daniel, any updates on this?