new sleek kit
05-16-09, 09:48 AM
#26
Yeah, I can take some pics for you tonight. And I'll also show the massive hack job that I did to get the bigger projectors to fit haha.
Do you know much about the actual lighting part? I'd love to speak to someone about it, because I cannot see at night. The low beam HIDs are fine, but the high beams are horrible, they don't have an HID box. This is the HID version of the kit, and the high beams don't come with an HID box. thats why i put bigger projectors in, but could only fit the same H3 bulb, so the lighting is still bad. Does an H3 bulb need an HID box to work properly? I just have no experience with this stuff so I don't want to go buy HID boxes for the high beams and then have it not work. I already spent $50 on new H3 bulbs and did not notice any change.
Do you know much about the actual lighting part? I'd love to speak to someone about it, because I cannot see at night. The low beam HIDs are fine, but the high beams are horrible, they don't have an HID box. This is the HID version of the kit, and the high beams don't come with an HID box. thats why i put bigger projectors in, but could only fit the same H3 bulb, so the lighting is still bad. Does an H3 bulb need an HID box to work properly? I just have no experience with this stuff so I don't want to go buy HID boxes for the high beams and then have it not work. I already spent $50 on new H3 bulbs and did not notice any change.
05-19-09, 04:07 PM
#28
Sorry for taking so long man, I ran out of time last week, i kept getting home at dark, and then i had to rush it to PFS saturday. I'll see if I can dig up a pic on my old computer of the lights close up, but I don't think there is a good one. Saturday (hopefully) when I pick up my car I'll get some and post them ASAP.
05-19-09, 04:10 PM
#29
oh, and with regard to my lighting problem, I only have one ballast per headlight unit, but I have 2 projectors in each unit. The high beams are not connected to the ballast. I have H3 SilverStar bulbs installed ($50 for the two of them), but according to a website I found these are still just Hallogen bulbs and not true HIDs. Is this correct? Will ballasts help these? Anyone know where I can get 2 more Ballasts for cheap?
05-20-09, 10:22 AM
#32
oh, and with regard to my lighting problem, I only have one ballast per headlight unit, but I have 2 projectors in each unit. The high beams are not connected to the ballast. I have H3 SilverStar bulbs installed ($50 for the two of them), but according to a website I found these are still just Hallogen bulbs and not true HIDs. Is this correct? Will ballasts help these? Anyone know where I can get 2 more Ballasts for cheap?
05-20-09, 12:52 PM
#33
Yes it is the high beam that sucks, the HID low beams work amazing, the quick fix for now is just to aim the low beams high and use those as highs, and then the highs as lows (as they don't put out enough light to blind anyone at all and i'll be able to see if the street lights are on haha.)
Power is coming straight out of the 3 wire plug that has a ground, low beam power and high beam power. Is there a way to boost it at all? The bulbs are brand new, so they should be working at least enough to see, but they are really horrible.
It makes a ring of light, I think its easier for the light to get out along the perimeter of the projector lens (maybe its thinner glass on the edge), so I see a large ring of light (outside my line of sight for the road) and creates pretty much a dead zone in the middle where the beam should be. This was happening on the old smaller projectors as well, so i don't think its a problem with the projector housing/lens.
Power is coming straight out of the 3 wire plug that has a ground, low beam power and high beam power. Is there a way to boost it at all? The bulbs are brand new, so they should be working at least enough to see, but they are really horrible.
It makes a ring of light, I think its easier for the light to get out along the perimeter of the projector lens (maybe its thinner glass on the edge), so I see a large ring of light (outside my line of sight for the road) and creates pretty much a dead zone in the middle where the beam should be. This was happening on the old smaller projectors as well, so i don't think its a problem with the projector housing/lens.
05-20-09, 01:03 PM
#34
This is 100% not true. People have and always will pay a premium for a rare item. I have had zero problems selling high priced rare items. Now, in the same regard, people are paying for the Re-Amemiya, Feed, Knight Sports etc name, so I do not think this kit could fetch $1,000+ just because it is from an unknown manufacturer. However, to say that the high-end market is dead for the fd is simply not true, I have a LINE of people who want rz and spirit-r seats which I price respectively at $3200 and $3600. Not to mention the $1500+ exhausts, lights, front bumpers etc. There are A LOT of people who do not post frequently who have a serious amount of cash, your forming a general conclusion from a specific group of people who post. Supply and demand principles still hold true, even in a bearish economy. Make a quality item, that looks great, and you would be surprised how many people would buy it, even at a higher then average price.
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05-20-09, 02:35 PM
#35
This is 100% not true. People have and always will pay a premium for a rare item. I have had zero problems selling high priced rare items. Now, in the same regard, people are paying for the Re-Amemiya, Feed, Knight Sports etc name, so I do not think this kit could fetch $1,000+ just because it is from an unknown manufacturer. However, to say that the high-end market is dead for the fd is simply not true, I have a LINE of people who want rz and spirit-r seats which I price respectively at $3200 and $3600. Not to mention the $1500+ exhausts, lights, front bumpers etc. There are A LOT of people who do not post frequently who have a serious amount of cash, your forming a general conclusion from a specific group of people who post. Supply and demand principles still hold true, even in a bearish economy. Make a quality item, that looks great, and you would be surprised how many people would buy it, even at a higher then average price.
This isn't 2003 anymore... Im not saying there isn't people out there with cash, but what I am saying that the average FD owner HAS changed in the last few years. I know that you have your own retail store that you just opened up so of course you would argue against it. But think about it this way: if it this good for you now think about how much better it would had been six years ago.
perfect example:
https://www.rx7club.com/showthread.p...SP+medium+SMIC
Very simple: The m2 med SMIC used to sell within hours of being put up on the market. Please explain why it is not the case anymore. One all need to do is keep an eye on our local classifieds to get a feel of what's out there and who is buying.
Edit- Either way: I hope the thread starter builds a quality, good looking light kit, that turns out to be a profitable venture for him
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05-20-09, 04:32 PM
#38
Yes it is the high beam that sucks, the HID low beams work amazing, the quick fix for now is just to aim the low beams high and use those as highs, and then the highs as lows (as they don't put out enough light to blind anyone at all and i'll be able to see if the street lights are on haha.)
Power is coming straight out of the 3 wire plug that has a ground, low beam power and high beam power. Is there a way to boost it at all? The bulbs are brand new, so they should be working at least enough to see, but they are really horrible.
It makes a ring of light, I think its easier for the light to get out along the perimeter of the projector lens (maybe its thinner glass on the edge), so I see a large ring of light (outside my line of sight for the road) and creates pretty much a dead zone in the middle where the beam should be. This was happening on the old smaller projectors as well, so i don't think its a problem with the projector housing/lens.
Power is coming straight out of the 3 wire plug that has a ground, low beam power and high beam power. Is there a way to boost it at all? The bulbs are brand new, so they should be working at least enough to see, but they are really horrible.
It makes a ring of light, I think its easier for the light to get out along the perimeter of the projector lens (maybe its thinner glass on the edge), so I see a large ring of light (outside my line of sight for the road) and creates pretty much a dead zone in the middle where the beam should be. This was happening on the old smaller projectors as well, so i don't think its a problem with the projector housing/lens.
05-20-09, 07:48 PM
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You guys can pretty much look at ANY Evo-r equipped vehicle and see the flaws clearly. The kit is just plain cheap IMO. They had a great idea in mind, but in order to cut costs they sacrificed the important characteristic of quality.
05-20-09, 08:37 PM
#41
Haha, I'm not really a noob, I was on here back in 99-2002 under another name, then i went to college and stopped working on my cars, then came back when i started looking for an FD, and couldn't remember my old name. (and now that I look at your join date, that makes you the noob haha)
I'll get close up pics as soon as I get the car back from PFS (hopefully this weekend if nothing goes wrong during the tune).
Back on topic, lets just assume its not the projector for the moment, the reason being is that the problem existed on the old small projector. And that is why I changed them out for the bigger projectors and went through the trouble of cutting away some of the sheet metal to make them fit. I finally plug the new ones in and voila, exactly the same problem. So I thought it was the bulbs, went and got the good silver stars, which should be pretty white looking. Installed them, same exact problem.
One thing I forgot to mention is that the little light that does come through is very yellowish, and this didn't change when I put the silver stars in, which should be very white (almost HIDish). Does this help tell you anything about power being the problem?
I'll get close up pics as soon as I get the car back from PFS (hopefully this weekend if nothing goes wrong during the tune).
Back on topic, lets just assume its not the projector for the moment, the reason being is that the problem existed on the old small projector. And that is why I changed them out for the bigger projectors and went through the trouble of cutting away some of the sheet metal to make them fit. I finally plug the new ones in and voila, exactly the same problem. So I thought it was the bulbs, went and got the good silver stars, which should be pretty white looking. Installed them, same exact problem.
One thing I forgot to mention is that the little light that does come through is very yellowish, and this didn't change when I put the silver stars in, which should be very white (almost HIDish). Does this help tell you anything about power being the problem?
05-20-09, 08:57 PM
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project sounds interesting, ive been looking for a sleek light kit but diff than the c-west.
i was ready to purchase the evo-r kit but read about the defects and deterred me from it. good luck with the project and keep us posted
i was ready to purchase the evo-r kit but read about the defects and deterred me from it. good luck with the project and keep us posted
05-21-09, 10:04 AM
#44
these pictures while done on paint are still accurate
H=high beam
L=low beam
black=ground
red=hot
this is the bulb that is in the stock RX7 flip ups
this is what i believe your wiring looks like
look at the stock bulb the low beam is 1 lit filament half covered by the shield (shield keeps you from blinding on-comers), but when the high beam switches on its noth just the high beam filament but rather both.
now if my drawing of your wiring is correct then u a merely getting half of the light you should
H=high beam
L=low beam
black=ground
red=hot
this is the bulb that is in the stock RX7 flip ups
this is what i believe your wiring looks like
look at the stock bulb the low beam is 1 lit filament half covered by the shield (shield keeps you from blinding on-comers), but when the high beam switches on its noth just the high beam filament but rather both.
now if my drawing of your wiring is correct then u a merely getting half of the light you should
05-21-09, 11:04 AM
#45
Thanks superdan, the picture you have drawn regarding my current setup is accurate. I've never had the stock lights so I can't verify that the first drawing is accurate, but I believe you so lets assume it is.
Problem: My low beam power source (one of the ports in the stock 3 port female plug) only has power when the low beam is on. When I turn the high beam on the low beams shut off. So how do the stock high beams ever get more power than my high beams currently get?
Problem: My low beam power source (one of the ports in the stock 3 port female plug) only has power when the low beam is on. When I turn the high beam on the low beams shut off. So how do the stock high beams ever get more power than my high beams currently get?
05-21-09, 12:29 PM
#46
i kno my stock bulb drawing is accurate (my headlights are removed since im working on the new design, and i plugged the stock bulb in and turned them on (clear view of the bulb since there isnt a headlight in the way)). i will look into ur thing tomorrow after work (wont be home tonight til late) and see what mine do.
based on ur problem this what i came up with as a possibility (again i will investigate further)
first pic is low beam on (notice the incomplete circuit on the high side)
high beam (incomplete circuit on low side)
based on ur problem this what i came up with as a possibility (again i will investigate further)
first pic is low beam on (notice the incomplete circuit on the high side)
high beam (incomplete circuit on low side)
05-21-09, 02:36 PM
#47
Yes, that is what happens, I think I may be missing a piece of the stock assembly needed to make this happen.
I have never seen the stock lights in person, but I think I remember seeing a pic of something else like another relay located near the headlights. I may be way off here, but its the only thing I can think of that would allow it to function like you say the stock lights do.
What does the stock setup include - Headlight assembly, retractor motor, any other plugs or relays that would have been removed for the installation of EVO-Rs?
I have never seen the stock lights in person, but I think I remember seeing a pic of something else like another relay located near the headlights. I may be way off here, but its the only thing I can think of that would allow it to function like you say the stock lights do.
What does the stock setup include - Headlight assembly, retractor motor, any other plugs or relays that would have been removed for the installation of EVO-Rs?
05-21-09, 02:48 PM
#48
im not quite sure what the evo r includes. however the stock setup is pretty simple actually, Headlight assembly, retractor motor, headlight (glass, and reflector unit), bulb, front shroud, top cover and a 3 slot connector that plugs into the bulb.
