Rotary Extreme FC vmount interest
 

Hello,

I have completed the upgrades to the FD vmount set-ups and now I would like to work on FC vmount kits.

I would like to offer 3 kits for the FC as well.

Vmount made for stock turbo. good to support 350whp.
Vmount for track use (medium power) 350 to 450/475
Vmount for Drag use (high Power) 500+

Who here is interested in vmount for the FC.

Ben

will it accomodate AC?

what is your projected price point and what will come with the kit?

yes, you will still be able to use A/C because I will design it so that you can, it's very easy to do that.

The kit will have the Intercooler, modified radiator for vmount config, silicone 4ply hoses for the IC, 3ply for the rad. T-bolt clamps and all hardware needed for a bolt on config. It will also include a new radiator fan for the modified Radiator. Target price is 2000 to 2300 depending on what you get with the kit.

It will be very simular to the FD vmount kits.

im interested, but it would be between yours and corksports, and whoever's is cheaper when im ready for my v-mount. i like p/s and a/c

I did not see a vmount kit on corksports site for the FC, do you have a direct link.

corksport is trying to come in around $1000, reality of it is while FD owners may pony up $2000+, FC owners will not.

1000, thats pretty low considering it cost me more than that to make one.

Sorry, but I can't sacrifice quaility for quantity.

I will make it right and make it out of the best stuff I can get, or it's not worth making it at all. Sometimes things are not done just for profit, it's done because it was needed.

Mishmoto is making copies of apexi cores and 3 inch radiators. With these pieces I could easily make a 1k kit. But I prefer to use already "proven" components.

Also copies on ebay is what brought down alot of the bigger aftermarket manufactures.

For me FC/FD/RX8, whatever other rotary powered car, I would not be cheap or allow myself to be catagorized as a person who wants something but will settle for a cheap copy of it.

I would want only the best for it.< this is not saying corksport is not the best, they are a kick azz company.

I wish the best for whoever makes vmounts for what ever car. I am anxious to see corksports kit.

Aslo it usually runs about 700 for the modified IC, silicone hoses and T-bolt clamps. About 600 for the modified radiator with silicone hoses and clamps, then you have to get the modified fans for the new radiator in vmount config, you have to make brackets for everything, make brackets for the AC to work, fab up some ducting. Also my vmount kits come with power steering coolers for the FD and will probably implimented into the FC if needed.

So for 1000, I would like to see what products are supplied with the kit.

Ben

What would end up happening to you is someone will buy your top of the line kit and then copy it using cheaper materials.

Use a CX racing core, thats what alot of shops around here are using for 1000+hp cars, they also sell the bends, couplers, and t-clamps for a very reasonable price.

I checked your site about the FD V-mount kit, sure it looks nice and is made from the best stuff but reality is someone will end up copying your work and selling it for a fraction of the cost, and that sucks for a shop like yourself because you put the R&D into the project.
So you may want to offer 2 kits, one with more expensive cores, but I bet 99% of the customers will buy the cheaper of the 2.

I'm interested.

I'll be interested if this happens.

Rob X X 7, I totally know where your coming from.

But, I really don't want to be associated with selling cheap knock off's. I agree that good stuff can be had at a cheaper price. But I want to offer the best product that has been race proven in drift and track environments.

The garret cores are very dense with fins and have a bar plate design. This does lower the CFM rate a little but what people don't realize it takes allot longer to heat these cores up and they cool down quick. This is very important for track/time attack/touge racing where you need the core to stay cooler.

Also, for the radiator, if you run a 3 inch core and a thermostat, you really don’t gain anything over a 2 inch core because the thermostat will maintain the same temps. A cooling fan will be more important to help maintain the temp along with the thermostat. You do need a thermostat in some set-ups because you need the water to stay in the radiator to have time to cool down before it returns to the engine. A bigger 3 inch core radiator is only considered for a rotary when it makes 500+ whp. There are many rotary powered cars doing fine on 2 inch cores.

The reason why I mention the radiator is because there are some brands out there that will try to market their product on a bigger core when it’s really not needed.

I'm not going to sell a customer a product that they don't need. This is why I will have multiple vmounts for your desired application.

If people want to copy me, go ahead. I at least know they will be copying a good design. But after seeing Rotary Extreme vmount kits lasting for years on track cars, it is safe to say the products have been proven. The big thing is in mounting hardware and the little details. This is what makes the kit special.

When someone buys my kit, they only need to buy one kit. The kit and all hardware supplied will last the lifetime of the car as long as proper care is done on the kit. Do not rip hoses on installation. Do not over tighten T-bolt clamps so that it bends the aluminum piping. Do not forget to flush your aluminum radiator if you track your car. Water and water wetter alone will allow rust/corrosion deposits. Radiator fluid is not allowed on the track.

Also, one style vmount set-up is not ideal because it will hurt performance on the FC because everyone does not set-up their car the same way.

When I make a product, I make it so that it will last through years of abuse. I do not make a product to make allot of money.

I have a full time job which is my career. This business is my passion but not my main source of income. So I am not pressured into to compromising the quality of my product to make fast cash. Also because I do have a job, even if I don't sell much, I will never have to close this business. Rotary Extreme is here to stay. So all the products I make will always be available.

I had so much respect for Rotary Extreme and the hard work that Chuck put into it. I will not allow the company’s reputation be compromised with unproven products or to be known for making cheap copies of things....bodykits was the exception, but I no longer sell bodykits.

Rotary Extreme has great pride in their work. I would rather make $1 and sell a kick as product then make $100 selling some cheap affordable kit.

I do this for the community, to provide a good quality proven product, one that will last and keep the customer happy.

This is also why I beefed up the FD vmount. I make less money, but it is now a more solid product.

Ben

it would be a tough sell, I know using the cores you mention a shop would end up getting someone for that price range your going to sell them at, there is alot to be said for not having your car sit at someone's shop waiting to get worked on so that appeals to me.

For a person like myself I could sell off my current IC and cooling set up to offset the costs.

I would like to be able to turn the AC on in my car when its 85+ degrees and im sitting in traffic and not have to stare at the temperature gauge which is why the vmount is sounding good.

Do you plan on offering ductwork like you offer for the FD?

Id be interested in checking one out for my FC. I'm looking at the GB for my FD as well...

Yes, I will offer ducting as an option. Aluminum and Carbon Fiber.

If all goes well, I will have a finished product avaible for GB around income tax refund time..lol.

I can promise you that it will be a bolt on kit. But you may have to have the a/c lines slightly modified.

I already have AN fittings on my ac lines

Sounds great!

The FC vmount kit will come with everything needed to be a bolt in even if some AC lines need to be moved I will have a fix for it. I will be working from a stock turbo II so I will be able to insure it's done right.

I'm interested.

When's projected completion date?

Also, I'd be for:

1. Keeping P/S
2. Keeping A/C Lines

Everything will be retained.

Once I get into it, I will sort out the fine details. But you will not lose any of your cars factory options. For P/S I would like to include a P/S cooler.

You will get the best in the kit that can be offered.

Examples:

3 sizes for the I/C for you to choose from for your application.
I use mainly Garrett cores because they have more fins and are more dense. While this may cause .5 to 1lb pressure drop, you will make more power because they will stay cooler longer and are more efficient at cooling.
Nomex silicone hoses rated to 500F
saddle style T-Bolt clamps.

It will be a complete bolt on kit, I will make it so that it is.

I myself, will just have to wait for the finished product.

Once again, I appreciate the service and dedication you are providing to us FC owners! Even though most of us are cheap compared to FD owners.

I do not think FC owners are cheap. I think that alot of new FC owners are the younger generation because the car is very affordable now. So when someone wants something for their car and realize how much it cost they go with a more affordable option.

In reality. The FC and FD are both rotary engine powered RX-7's. The supporting mods are the same so why should and how could the cost of those parts be diffirent.

The FC parts really can not be cheaper then the FD parts because they both use the same basic engineerd parts.

I will one day own my own FC AE, The FC is a very sexy car.

I really doubt you are going to get more than a handful of people to sign up for this. That being said, props to you for doing it right.

The fact that FC owners are the younger generation makes it less likely that they can afford 2k for a well engineered product. If you could get your price down to say 1200-1500 you have a better shot at people going your route as opposed to a DIY vmount or a ebay special fmic.

I understand, but see my post #7

I can not sell a compromised kit for 1200 to 1500 when it cost me more then that to make it.

All my kits are hand made and not on some assembly line. Infact, all my kits are made by 2 people, Myself and my fabricator.

For whoever wants to save money, go use mishimoto as your cores.

I prefer to use race proven products and will continue to use the best that I can.

I will not sacrifice the quailty for quantity.

I prefer to have an outstanding product that will take the abuse of track/drift/togue racing.

Ben

If things fall into place...I'm down.

Any new updates?

I will get started on the FC vmounts after the FD GB's have ended. Need to build up a little more capital. It will cost me about 3.5 to 4k to prototype the kits, maybe a little more since I have to make all 3 kits at once. Expect them to be ready around income tax refund time.

Ben

I maybe down. My 7 needs a new rad anyway. is there any way you can sub a oil cooler for the p/s cooler? my car doesn't have P/S.

What happened to the stock one on your car? You mean like a modified oil cooler.

It will cost more because the oil will be higher preasure and higher temp so will require a higher rating of material. Also there are adapter fittings needed that will drive the price up. So more then likely I can discount the kit the price of the power steering cooler upgrade.

is there any price on ducting yet?

please hurry up and make this happen. i have always wanted a v mount and corksport is taking forever to even get back to us. if you can have one for sale before they do then you got my $

FC3S nataku,

I am not in a race to make this, sorry about that. Also I can not throw it together to try and beat another vendor to the punch. All I can do is make my kit the best that I can with the ability to support your cars needs on the track or on the mountain roads.

Also from what I can see my kit wil be around 2k. That is twice as much as another memeber said the corksport kit will cost. It does not need all the pieces that the FD kit uses so that will help save costs for the FC vmount.

I have no price quote for FC ducting. Depending on how I set-it up, it may be part of the kit. If the kit performs well with out it, then ducting will be optional for track cars that really need ducting.

Ben

Is there a pre-sale deposit/discount?

This could be good!

great vendor im glad someone still believes in quality parts=]
im tired of seeing knock off parts under hoods of 7s

Thank you everyone for your support.

There will be a dealine optional deposit link to hold your kit if you do not want to pay in full. As for the discount, that is what the GB is all about.

The FC vmount GB deal will be run exactly how I have the FD vmount GB goin on right now.

Once the FC vmount kit is complete, all the details will be given. But I will not have this kit ready until around March next year.

These sound interesting. If they come in around income tax season, I very well may be in for a upgrade.

In the kit, I assume we will need to have a aftermarket compression tube?

Right on time too :), I graduate around that time, and that's when the master plan begins :D

For the FC vmount, I will be working from a stock turbo 2 so you can be sure that everything will be included in the kit. It will be a complete bolt on kit. The price will be justified by the components and functionality of the kit.

I am interested in a quality kit. And would budget up to $2000 for one.

maybe im an ass but i think for $2000 i could make one on my own. maybe im just wrong and an ass who knows....

You’re not an ass. Anybody can make their own vmount for that price. 2k is just an estimate. But I believe it will be less. But some people do not have the time to search for their own parts or have the time to put their car down while you’re doing R&D. Also some people do not have the resources or know where to begin.

And of course there is a small mark-up. This is business.

I agree that a cheaper kit can be made using other products. I can throw together a vmount for 900. But I do not support reverse engineering so I do not buy knock off parts for use in my kit.

I support our economy and I want to help my fellow business owners survive these hard times.

I think in the end you pay for convenience. Like paying for first class on a plane when you can save money and have a shitty ride in coach....lol

Ben

I understand So what kind of ic core would you use then if you dont like the cheap stuff?:-) I hate commercial flying by the way i was air force and had my own plane to walk around play football in do whatever! Where's chuck? i used to follow ReX when he made the GTC front ends for the 2nd gen.

gxlbiscuit,

When I mean cheap, I just mean companies that have reverse engineered other companies hard work and design. Not so much as the mama/papa shops. But more of the bigger companies that do this.

I will be using Garret cores. They are not the cheapest nor the most expensive. But I like them because internally the cores are dense with fins. This may give it a slight more preasure drop then the next I/C core might (.5lb to 1lb at most), but everyone has to remember that heat exchange and cooler more dense air makes more power then hot air. The Garret cores that I use are more stable at the track and limit the amount of temperature fluctuations. This also helps in tunning and data logging at the track. More stable data with less noise.

I just want everyone to know that the purpose behind these kits is not to just get you a "vmount set-up". The purpose it to give you a set-up that will support time attack racing, togue canyon runs and drifters. This set-up has to withstand abuse and has to work under constant load.

Ben

sorry if im offending you. I really do appreciate what you guys do and always have thanks.

Bro, no ofense taken, I'm all smiles over here. That is also one downside of E-Chat. You can't really tell the tone or the personality of someone like you can as if you met them in person.

I hope that soo enough the enternet can support chat and webcams on threads like this.

I think it would be cool to leave video comments in here, that would be sick.

Lets get to the point! So when is this going to happen?

The kit should be done and ready for GB by the end of March 2010. There will be 3 options just like the FD vmounts so that you can chose the perfect one for your application.

Ben

Like I said in the corksport thread, I'll be very interested if it's well engineered, which is sounds like yours will be.

One of my main requirements is being able to keep the bumper support. There really isn't any reason you shouldn't be able to, and it's a safety hazard not to have one.

It would also be nice if you made it an option to be able to connect to a FD UIM and throttle body. I'll be switching over to one when I install a new intercooler.

Also, I don't know how possible but if you would allow people to use their own aftermarket radiators that would be nice too, I have a really nice AWR radiator, and I'd rather not downgrade that...

Thanks for making quality FC products. It seems lately like a lot of quality companies are abandoning the FC.

Eage8,

I agree that it would be nice to make a kit that can accomplish all those things. But in reality I can not make a kit that can meet all those requirements because of that set-up being very customized.

I dont see the bumper support being an issue, but for the radiator, I can go with any core because it will be the end tanks that I will have to modify to make it work. I may start with a koyo, I may start with AWR, I may start with a super cheap costing mishimoto radiator. But what I have to finish with is a modified radiator with a race rady "core" because the endtanks are going to get cut and modified anyways.

As for going to an FD uim and elbow, the greddy elbow is 2.75 and so is my piping. Worst case senerio in that situation is that they cut the pipe and install a silicon hose to get the rest of the pipe to go what ever angle they want.

But if I get enough request, I can make the kit have that option if it is a common swap for the FC guys to use FD uim and greddy elbow.

In the FD kit, no other cores are substituted, all the endtanks are all custom. Everything is measured and made for the parts in the kit.

But I will make a worthy kit.

Afterall, we all know how products can effect a companies reputation. I have respect for what Chuck went through to get Rotary Extreme where its at. I will do my best to follow his business model. So with that, I have to make good shit.

Ben

All that seems more than reasonable. I'm really excited about this kit.

AWR uses Ron Davis cores. Which I've only heard good things about.