I'm excited to make it, but even I have to wait and finish my prior obligations. I really need to get these FD vmounts out now that the GB for them is closed.

When I had a rotary it seemed like I couldn't find half of what I was looking for.

Now it seems like new products are coming about. Even though I'm not in this market anymore, I do appreciate a company innovating new products for an older sports car.

Kudos to you Rotary Extreme.

You may also consider looking at AFCO radiators, the prices are much more reasonable, and many track guys swear by them.

Well, It'll be a few years before I find a 10th AE FC for myself. But I want to make stuff for the FC because it is a more affordable platform to start with then an FD. You can get a stock or a little moded FD for 10 to 15k. I know for a fact that with 10 to 15k you can get an FC and a whole lotta nice stuff for it.

For me I gotta get the AE FC before I get another FD.

10th AE's are nice, my little brother just picked up one not too long ago.

I saw a few for sale in the SF area. I cant wait to see the result of this v-mount kit, im a bit excited myself, finally more parts for the FC. :icon_tup:

I'd like to see your finished product, expectations are very high for the suggested price. I was very disappointed by the IC selection fore the FC and ended up making a VMIC for use with FD manifolds, that only cost a few hundred bucks and seems to work very well. I would imagine your kit to be near bullet proof and superb fit but it would need to be to justify those costs. Just seems way overpriced to me but then again my comments might not be worth much since I already have my own VMIC. Just some input from a fellow member. It will be a different story when you can post some pics of the products and some data logs to show the difference it makes compared to a stock TMIC, cheap FMIC and name brand FMIC.

NJGreenBudd,

I feel you, the price is steep but it is also a rough and safe estimate. The whole reason behind this all is to make a kit that will be track ready and will eliminate any headaches that someone has to go through to make a vmount set-up. Everything will be in the kit that you will need to hit the track. Besides, a modified radiator, vmount i/c, upgraded fan that bolts to the radiator, brackets, silicone hoses, t-bolt clamps, power steering cooler, polishing.... it all adds up.

But it will be a complete bolt on, nothing is perfect but I will do the best I can to make it.

As for comparisions, you will see the real difference at the track. The I/C core itself is what makes a fair amount of difference at the track.

For people without vented hoods, I will supply stand-offs to raise the back of the hood a little to help get hot air out and to help with airflow.

It will be upto the customer if they want to use the stand-offs, but they will be supplied.

Kinda sucks, I'll eventually have some cool stuff for the FC, and I wont even have an FC for myself...lol

Ben

Bump for interest

March 2010? Looks about perfect for me.

For the people who are wondering about the cost, you have to think, its going to include another rad, IC, piping, brackets, etc. to make the kit full bolt on.

Think about it this way. Put a price on your R&D if you were making your own kit. Make a flat hourly rate and then count up how many hours it would take to measure out what size the brackets need to be, what locations work best, re-doing messups, running back to the local hardware store for more parts, test fitting things to see how they line up, etc.

Things really add up after a while. For (hopefully) being a full bolt on v-mount kit with quality parts, i think the price is quite reasonable. And he said it may even go lower.

On top of everything, you cant exactly just piece together a ebay IC core with some random piping and slap some aluminum on the sides and call it a day. You'll end up with some serious heating problems and have no idea why.


I'm extremely interested to see the outcome of this kit. If it comes around the same time as tax season, I'm definitely in on one.

Thank you for understanding this. I own a business, ofcourse I need to make profit too. But, I also want to provide a quailty product. Just like the FD vmounts, there will be different sizes to help best suit your application. I will not know the finished price until it is done. But 2k is a rough and safe estimate.

Also please understand that all hoses will be nomex (rated 500F) and comes with t-bolts for i/c and rad. The kit also comes polished. You will get your moneys worth.

Patiently waiting :)

My current radiator blew up again yesterday... (my fan ate it a while ago and the fix failed...)

So I will be patiently waiting for this kit to get my 7 back up an running :)

Also, please try to make it Street Modified legal. As long as you don't have to modify or remove any frame pieces or the bumper support it'll be fine.

Here is a discussion about the FD kit if you're interested:
http://sccaforums.com/forums/thread/375762.aspx

I read the debate.

The front frame rail on the FD is not there for chasis support. It is there to support routing of hoses, and a loction to bolt on the stock IC and misc stuff.

I will modify my wording in the morning to be more correct.


" the kit comes with a modified support bracket the supports the top of the radiator and supports the back of the intercooler thus relieving the stress placed on the IC couplers. This also allows a place for the power steering cooler to be attached."

Just keep the stock one with you if the ref has any questions. This part is obviously not a chasis support item and that it is a big bracket to attach stuff to.

Anyways, people modify the factory R1/R2 strut tower bar with a beefier one and get away with it. Honestly, "the front frame rail" should not be an issue.

Its a big bracket.

Ben

Here some pics.

You can see the new bar is really a support bracket and not a chasis brace.

My wife and I.

Our fish, One peral koi and one butterfly koi.

Calvins Track vmount with the kit installed showing the support bracket.

Website changed for the FD guys. Thanks for showing me that link.

definitely looking forward to this kit. I have been wanting to do a v-mount on my car for a little while now. Can't wait for it to come out.

Your right though, when you add all the various components up and the time it takes to make it fit right, it's not a cheap process. Especially if your making this one to mass produce, you need to have it fit like a glove. It took me a long time to get the piping and ducting the way I needed it, all the fitting and cutting and refitting, man it would have been nice to have some sort of instructions and plan to go by. I spent countless hours to design my system and I would be hard pressed to do it again.

Good luck with the project and keep us posted.

bump for interest :)

I'll be making this in 2 more months, hang in there guys for those of you who are interested.

starting it or releasing it in 2 months?

*hanging in there* :)

Sorry, Starting it in 2 months. The testers car needs it done by end of March. Will be released to everyone else in April-all 3 kits.
Low power-stock to 300
Medium power-upto 450/475 whp
High power-500+

The first release will be sold as Group Buy introductory price. So everyone will save 100 to 200 off the list price right away, who knows.... maybe more discount.

Looking forward to seeing pics of the kit you come up with!

Can't wait!

cool. The auto-x season starts up about mid april. worst case scenario I can just use a stock radiator I picked up for the first event.

I would be interested in the group buy if you are gonna have one.

so for 2k I'd assume this kit should be street legal in cali right? (I know you can run front mounts in cali as long as your using the stock turbo)

in the first post, the low power vmount set up was good for 350whp, which is my goal for my fc, your more recent post says its only good for 300whp. was that a typo or has it changed? im curious which one to go with, im on stock turbo, but i plan on a bnr 3 or 4, still gathering funds at the moment though.

I read through the whole thread and im glad at what ive read, im graduating this year and should be able to get some money to get myself one :icon_tup:

87TIIFC, and for everyone else.

sorry about that, I do not have the edit feature. Yes the base kit will support 300whp while being warmed up on the track. But how it works is that the core itslef will really be able to support upto 500 whp. When you do drag racing, the IC core will not heat up in those 10 to 15 seconds like the IC core will heat up in a 15 minute time attack session. So it is the same with your car, you may dyno at 400whp, but take your car to a 15 minute time attack session and dyno your car right after you will see youll be down some horse power.

Anyways the way I rate the kits is at what they will easily support when your car is already heat soaked at the track. This is the important thing about cheap IC cores and good cores. Some IC tubes are hollow. They may have less pressure drop but they will get hot fast and will not be that efficient. The garret and pwr cores I use have dense fins in between the tubes and also in the tubes. This helps the core maintain a more stable temperature.

So again I have to also correctly size the kit for the application. You will have better performance from a properly sized core made to support 300whp for the stock turbo vs a large core that is made to support 1000whp for a large turbo.

This is why I will make 3 kits like I have for the FD. This way you can decide which one will best suite your application.

Honestly, on the bigger cores, the ones the require you to be making at least a minimum 500whp for it to be efficient will hurt performance on the smaller turbos.

Well don't worry everyone. I'll start making the kit in March/April time frame. Yes it will be street legal because it does not mess with emmisions and yes it will be track legal because you will not have to modify and frame supports and what not. And yes an electric fan will be included in the kit because we will be dicthing the factory clutch fan.

2k is the target price. Each kit may be different by 100 to 200 bucks. The price should not determine which kit you need. Your application will determine which kit you need.

Ben

Hey whenever possible, posting pictures would be cool! :D

I'll post pics as soon as I have some of the kit installed.

Ben, keep up the good work :)

MaczPayne,

Thanks for the continued support, it really is appriciated!

Ben

Still being up in the air a bit on which direction I'll take my project - VMIC vs FMIC, I think it would be good to see an option for different UIM/Elbow. As is in my case, the 13B-RE swap uses a similar setup as the REW/FD UIM/TB/Elbow.

It may be something you could offer after the GB as its definitely different then the stock T2 configuration and may not be easy to locate a tester car... but the possibility/option for it may open your market a bit.

Worse case you could just have a cheaper kit with no IC piping/couplers. Just sell the brackets, rad, ic, etc and let the customer fab the piping (this would probably be my route if I went VMIC) since everybody's setup can be just a bit different. (I've seen guys lower their runners on both RE and REW swaps, the engine may sit lower, they may have a big ass vent hood :) )


Keep up the progress though - ten years ago you couldn't find ANY real quality parts for the FC in this country, so I'm more than pleased to see shops putting out good products these days!

WE3RX7, thank you. It is possible to just sell the completed kit minus the piping welded on the IC for those situations. But for the most part, it will be complicated to have so many varities out there. But I believe it can easily be solved with different stlye coupling angles and different length of pipes.

All I can say is that I will do my best to make a vanilla kit.

Ben

i made a shork cut to this because im paciently waiting. im building my FC with a REW and a BNR stage 4 s5 turbo. so when you kit come out for sale, im getting one.

I am eagerly awaiting the release of this kit as well.

Eddierotary,

Rew huh. Well it looks like there has been alot of interest with using fd stuff in fc's. My doner car does not have the FD swap of any type. But if someone could supply me with a loner FD uim/tb/and greddy elbow I could return those parts to them with a bit more discount on the kit they buy. That way I can have the option for FC and FD piping piping to the intake manifold assembly.

After this is all done, I would soooo love to do a vmount kit for the 1st gen RX7 if possible. As for the RX8, my future time attack RX8 will have its own vmount set-up with the eaton tvs s/c I will be using. Yeah, its the same s/c that the new zr1 vette uses..lol.

Ben

So were are we at on this kit?

He said he was starting in 2 months a little less than 2 months ago, so I assume he's either about to start working on it or just started and doesn't have anything really together yet.

I'm sure he'll update us on the progress as soon as he starts making some.

LOL, sorry guys, Eage 8 is correct.

I have talked to the Owner of the donor car today as a matter of fact. The car will be at my shop around mid March. As far as pictures, because I am representing my business I do not wan to release any "in process photos" of parts being made. I will show photos of completed sections. Examples would be radiator set-up. Oil cooler set-up. IC set-up.

If I was just a normal forum memeber then yes, I would deffinitly post all in process pictures.

I am very sorry about this, I hope you guys can understand.

But I will update as I go.

Ben

I need a new radiator and its about time i got rid of my stock TMIC... I'm glad i saw this thread before i decided on getting a front mount, looks really promising, count me in!

Btw, is that a navy peacoat you are wearing？

Yeah, it is! I was a jet mechanic in the Navy. I was stationed on the CVN 70. Carl Vinson. I worked on the F-14D super tomcat. It had the F10-GE-400 engine. 33,000lbs thrust each!!!

Hey Ben if you end up needing another car to test on that is basically ready to go let me know. I have it sitting down in socal to do custom vmount/rad setup but then i had a kid. lol. I'm gonna bring the car back soon and put a stop to the setup due to my recent investment in Gerber and Pampers.

It's got hks cast mani T04S. I think this might be pretty common setup, if it isn't tell me what manifold you want and i'll get it. I want my car done already but on a newborn baby's daddy's budget.

Pineapple Street Ported motor, microtech. It's the white fc in the sig.

Thanks,
Rishie

ARD T2, pm'd

Sweet. I'm just 2 years in, CTI (linguist) Sometimes i wonder why I chose this job but i'm also color deficient...

Anyways, my paycheck is yours when this is ready.:icon_tup:

Spinitsidewayz, well you are currently surving our country and so I will have to do something special for you if you do get this kit. I see your local, I will pm you on it.

Ben

Sorry, I actually meant rate, not the navy in general. I never knew i had color vision problems until MEPS! There were only a handful of jobs to choose from at that point, none of them involving aircraft which I wanted. So now they have me scratching my head while looking at chinese books.

Its too bad they had to retire the Tomcats. The navy might not buy the F-35, costs almost twice as much as the F/A-18 per flight hour and for an unproven jet.

I never realized Union City was that close, I'm in San Jose quite a bit on the weekends too, maybe I'll stop by sometime before I leave for Hawaii. I guess it all depends on when my orders get here. If not, are you willing to ship to hawaii?:)