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Old Jan 4, 2012 | 02:50 PM
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^^^ Which gauge was I supposed to be lookin at???
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Old Jan 4, 2012 | 03:08 PM
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It's the 17th one to the right.... Remember I told u this 100 times
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Old Jan 4, 2012 | 04:25 PM
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Thats pretty crazy and that iron was really burned up I like reading things like this because it provides knowledge to others (including myself) who arent too experienced with rotaries
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Old Jan 4, 2012 | 06:31 PM
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Originally Posted by 7dust


^^^ Which gauge was I supposed to be lookin at???
the switch that sais "upstairs hallway" 2nd from the right.
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Old Jan 4, 2012 | 07:28 PM
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I guess my question is - what is THIS ****?





^^^ What is the cause of the scratches above the exhaust port? I know these housings weren't pristine prior to assembly but I don't remember them looking like bad.

Also, I notice a lot of running engines I disassemble have these deep marks. I'm pretty sure they aren't seals coming out of the motor because the entire housing usually gets chewed pretty good.

In fact, most of the shitty emergency use only housings have these claw marks right above the exhaust port.

Am I just (un)lucky or is there a common cause for this?
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Old Jan 4, 2012 | 09:00 PM
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airfilter? anything gouged like that has injested something or spat the very tip of the long section of the apex seal, a section 1 -2 mm long
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Old Jan 4, 2012 | 10:01 PM
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Originally Posted by Karack
on track dedicated cars it doesn't hurt to overfill the crankcase a tad, about .3 quarts to prevent starvation on hard cornering or an oil pan baffle to keep the oil in the pan.
I overfill by a quart just to be sure. One talented engine builder said to check the dipstick with the engine running....
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Old Jan 4, 2012 | 10:42 PM
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I overfill by a quart just to be sure. One talented engine builder said to check the dipstick with the engine running....
if you used silicone on your pan gasket over filling by a quart will blow it out. keep it on full
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Old Jan 5, 2012 | 09:48 AM
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Originally Posted by 7dust
I guess my question is - what is THIS ****?





^^^ What is the cause of the scratches above the exhaust port? I know these housings weren't pristine prior to assembly but I don't remember them looking like bad.

Also, I notice a lot of running engines I disassemble have these deep marks. I'm pretty sure they aren't seals coming out of the motor because the entire housing usually gets chewed pretty good.

In fact, most of the shitty emergency use only housings have these claw marks right above the exhaust port.

Am I just (un)lucky or is there a common cause for this?
as bumpstart mentioned, if the apex seals are 100% intact then the engine sucked in some debris somewhere. check the turbo blades to make sure they aren't coming apart or are damaged from debris getting sucked into the engine from a non filtered setup.





Originally Posted by bikeboy23332
if you used silicone on your pan gasket over filling by a quart will blow it out. keep it on full
no it won't, if you actually seal the pan properly. or if it's an FD3S with their shittastic pan and mount design.
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Old Jan 5, 2012 | 09:54 AM
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We DID have two turbo failures in the race prior to the last one.

One turbo lost a turbine fin only and the other one grenanded.

I think adding a half quart over full in addition to an oil pan baffle would be a good thing for us.
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Old Jan 5, 2012 | 09:59 AM
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Originally Posted by 7dust
We DID have two turbo failures in the race prior to the last one.

One turbo lost a turbine fin only and the other one grenanded.

I think adding a half quart over full in addition to an oil pan baffle would be a good thing for us.
the grenaded turbo could have sent debris into the intercooler which laid dormant until it got sucked into the engine later. even if the engine appears to be running ok, whenever you have an issue with the cold side compressor a flush of the intercooler core isn't a bad idea. even small chips of aluminum can cause the gouging you found.
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Old Jul 15, 2012 | 07:40 PM
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man that looks like it hurt, how much was it putting down?
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Old Sep 11, 2012 | 09:19 PM
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Too many RPM's can trash housings, though I have not seen what the damage looks like.
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Old Sep 13, 2012 | 09:25 PM
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Originally Posted by Rx7_Nut13B
Scott said the thrust bearings didn't show heat stress or wearing so I don't think it was a end play issue.

You forgot to say this engine was run in enduro racing with 16-24 hours (per race)of hard full turbo power running.

The mileage is way over 1000 miles but it still died early. This motor was build with alot of tired parts.

Feb race 225laps = 535.5 miles
Apr race 280laps = 700 miles
Jun race 267laps = 635.5 miles
Oct race 229laps = 545 miles
Dec race 223laps = 557.5 miles
Figuring the track run time at 70:40:58 almost 71 hours
Total = 2973.5 + a test-an-tune day that Scott bet it to death and it over heated when it blew the turbo water feed line.
You are having way too much fun with this car...
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Old Oct 31, 2012 | 08:22 PM
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Thermo pellet failure??? I still look at the discoloration on the side irons. What did your oil pressure look like? I f'ed up on a porting job and cut in the wrong direction and fear wiping the oil off of the oil control rings, this post gives me nightmares.

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Old Oct 31, 2012 | 10:43 PM
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Thermo pellet has been bypassed on all my engines.
This was a stock port motor.

We have all ready determined the cause of the failure was oil starvation.
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