General Rotary Tech Support Use this forum for tech questions not specific to a certain model year
Sponsored by:
Sponsored by: CARiD

MAZDA Hard Chrome and Soft Nitriding

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Old Feb 25, 2009 | 05:35 PM
  #1  
ricardo877's Avatar
Thread Starter
driftcleveland .com
Tenured Member 05 Years
 
Joined: Nov 2006
Posts: 22
Likes: 0
From: clevelamd
MAZDA Hard Chrome and Soft Nitriding

I hope this solves some problems and helps on decision making money savings on the long run. http://jhbperformance.com/downloads/jhb-tech01oem.pdf
Reply
Old Feb 26, 2009 | 02:51 PM
  #2  
arghx's Avatar
rotorhead
Tenured Member: 20 Years
Liked
Loved
Community Favorite
iTrader: (3)
 
Joined: Aug 2004
Posts: 16,205
Likes: 461
From: cold
The article essentially argues that rotor housings and side housings undergo special treatment from the factory to improve life and sealing capability which the aftermarket cannot reproduce. Re-chroming services cannot reproduce special factory coatings and the patterns in the chrome (pores and channels) which are designed to reduce friction and the resulting chatter marks, chrome flaking, and scratching.

The top layer of material in the side housings contain a special coating from the factory that increases hardness and reduces friction, and when you lap the irons you lose that too.

It's pretty interesting, but it really needs to cite its sources. Where are those diagrams coming from? Who wrote the thing?
Reply
Old Feb 27, 2009 | 02:33 PM
  #3  
lastphaseofthis's Avatar
My job is to blow **** up
Tenured Member 20 Years
iTrader: (8)
 
Joined: Jan 2005
Posts: 2,903
Likes: 5
From: palmyra Indiana
so what about the fact mazdatrix and racingbeat both lapp irons for rebuilds, but only offer a resurfacing? does this mean all the lapped irons mazdatrix sells are potentialy 150 hour motors?
Reply
Old Feb 27, 2009 | 07:47 PM
  #4  
rx72c's Avatar
Rotary Freak
Tenured Member: 20 Years
Top Answer: 1
iTrader: (8)
 
Joined: Jun 2003
Posts: 2,878
Likes: 195
From: Australia
I havnt seen anyone succesfully rechrome rotor housings.


Side plates are easy done.
Machining them is one thing.
they must be rehardened.
Their is a place in aus that does it. They bake for 48 hours.
I have done this process now a few times and it comes out excellent and seems to be as tuff as the mazda surface. My current engine has ground and rehardened plates. when it come apart ill put an update.
Has been running 30psi for some time now and boost usually acclerates side plate wear so if something was to go wrong, it would do it in this particular engine.
Reply
Old Feb 27, 2009 | 09:40 PM
  #5  
GoodfellaFD3S's Avatar
Original Gangster/Rotary!
Veteran: Army
Tenured Member: 25 Years
Liked
Loved
iTrader: (213)
 
Joined: Mar 2001
Posts: 30,804
Likes: 646
From: FL-->NJ/NYC again!
As I understand it as long as you only lap off 3-4 thousands of an inch you retain (some of) the hardened coating. Any more and you lose the coating, and if you really go crazy you don't leave room for the coolant seals.
Reply
Old Feb 28, 2009 | 12:17 PM
  #6  
lastphaseofthis's Avatar
My job is to blow **** up
Tenured Member 20 Years
iTrader: (8)
 
Joined: Jan 2005
Posts: 2,903
Likes: 5
From: palmyra Indiana
could you not mill out the coolant passages also? say you had to take off .05" could you not simply take the same amount out of the coolant passages and then have the surface rehardened?
Reply
Old Mar 1, 2009 | 08:06 PM
  #7  
ricardo877's Avatar
Thread Starter
driftcleveland .com
Tenured Member 05 Years
 
Joined: Nov 2006
Posts: 22
Likes: 0
From: clevelamd
Time bomb why NOT...

Originally Posted by arghx
The article essentially argues that rotor housings and side housings undergo special treatment from the factory to improve life and sealing capability which the aftermarket cannot reproduce. Re-chroming services cannot reproduce special factory coatings and the patterns in the chrome (pores and channels) which are designed to reduce friction and the resulting chatter marks, chrome flaking, and scratching.

The top layer of material in the side housings contain a special coating from the factory that increases hardness and reduces friction, and when you lap the irons you lose that too.

It's pretty interesting, but it really needs to cite its sources. Where are those diagrams coming from? Who wrote the thing?
Im glad You can READ
Reply
Old Mar 1, 2009 | 08:09 PM
  #8  
ricardo877's Avatar
Thread Starter
driftcleveland .com
Tenured Member 05 Years
 
Joined: Nov 2006
Posts: 22
Likes: 0
From: clevelamd
Originally Posted by lastphaseofthis
so what about the fact mazdatrix and racingbeat both lapp irons for rebuilds, but only offer a resurfacing? does this mean all the lapped irons mazdatrix sells are potentialy 150 hour motors?
to mi understanding pineaple racing dose but sounds like that 150k miles not hours thats what you meant ?
Reply
Old Mar 1, 2009 | 08:24 PM
  #9  
GoodfellaFD3S's Avatar
Original Gangster/Rotary!
Veteran: Army
Tenured Member: 25 Years
Liked
Loved
iTrader: (213)
 
Joined: Mar 2001
Posts: 30,804
Likes: 646
From: FL-->NJ/NYC again!
Originally Posted by lastphaseofthis
could you not mill out the coolant passages also? say you had to take off .05" could you not simply take the same amount out of the coolant passages and then have the surface rehardened?
After all that trouble why not just buy new irons? They're not that expensive, all things considered. Besides, I'd be willing to bet that the 'refurbished' irons wouldn't last anywhere near as long as new ones.

Also, irons don't wear like rotor housings, so there are usually good low mileage ones available on the used parts market......
Reply
Old Mar 1, 2009 | 11:51 PM
  #10  
j9fd3s's Avatar
Moderator
Community Builder
Liked
Loved
Community Favorite
iTrader: (3)
 
Joined: Mar 2001
Posts: 31,833
Likes: 3,232
From: https://www2.mazda.com/en/100th/
Originally Posted by lastphaseofthis
so what about the fact mazdatrix and racingbeat both lapp irons for rebuilds, but only offer a resurfacing? does this mean all the lapped irons mazdatrix sells are potentialy 150 hour motors?
sorta, the pre rx7 pre nitride housing life is way way shorter than the coated ones. its kind of implied in that paper, but if you ask people who had experience building pre rx7 engines they will tell you you HAVE to lap the plates when the motor is apart.
Reply
Related Topics
Thread
Thread Starter
Forum
Replies
Last Post
VTECthis
3rd Generation Specific (1993-2002)
3
Aug 24, 2015 09:01 PM
jase03
3rd Generation Specific (1993-2002)
5
Aug 20, 2015 02:09 AM




All times are GMT -5. The time now is 09:56 PM.