mike(13b)

make sure u remove your catilytic converter, too much back pressure wont run with it,
the rotary motors are the best hydrogen motors in my openion, they burn slower and unlike a piston motor the heat is not traped in the valvetrain thus also y diesel fuel will not work, not enough heat in the combustion chamber and if there were that much heat your engine would melt thru right after the spark plugs

GOGGIN

still working but lack of funds sux woud love it if i could get a spare blown motor for dirt cheap(or free )

mike(13b)

wish i could help, i found one on ceaigs list for $300 in the boise area
but i dont know if u could get it to u w/o crapy shiping cost.. ill keep my eyes open tho

GOGGIN

thanks a bunch mike could u post a link to it?

t-von

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You are a perfect example of a person who thinks only educated people have the ability to accomplish certain things. Nice motivational speech! I guess you never heard of Stan Meyer? You will be suprised what people can accomplish when they put their minds to it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8stApCmxYEM part 1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8stApCmxYEM part 2

The buggy that runs on water.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YIgOn1kRw5s

Keep in mind he never graduated from college but he was a genius.

GOGGIN

at least someone has some faith y shoot it down it is just an idea. that i wanted to do in a side project.

rotarygod

iTrader: (1)

Einstein flunked math in school. Go figure!

t-von

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Don't let *** holes like that keep you from accomplishing your goals. This hydrogen thing is also something I'm starting to research on myself. I will become energy self dependent. Something has to be done about the oil industry, and how they keep monopolizing the fluctuation of the oil prices. Recently the prices where on there usual downward holiday swing, now there up again because the industry is ******* greedy. I'm sick and tired of being at their mercy. It's bullshit!

Rant over!

t-von

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Exactly! Genius people have their own unique way of figuring stuff out.

PercentSevenC

That's a popular myth.
http://www.time.com/time/2007/einstein/3.html

Wow, Aaron, now you've got me thinking about doing this. I like these sort of novelty projects. Hmm....

rotarygod

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Holy crap I think he was born smart!

“Before I was fifteen I had mastered differential and integral calculus.”

t-von

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I think he was born with a gift and a special talent to learn and understand certain things at an extremely superior level. Some people just got that "nack" so to speak. We all have a special talent (as Einstein) did. The major difference is at what level are we compared to him in terms of science knowledge. If Einstein is a 10 the average human would be a 2. LOL!

apexFD

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Albert_Einstein's_brain


This read offers some clues to explaining Einstein's great mathmatical intelligence.


There are many more reasons which i think are at play as well, however i will not go in depth. This isnt the lounge.

Just ask questions, stir up wonder, analyse everything, investigate, inform yourself, share new found knowledge, invent...

This is what this world needs, revolutionary people who are in touch with the future, not sheep.



EDIT: Wow i didnt know Stanley Meyer died mysteriously.. This is really shady and a great loss if his invention wasnt a hoax. Which it evidentally wasnt, .5amp current and the phenomena was active in front of you.


Cheers,



Ben

GOGGIN

well thanks guys but a am really looking for a blown 13b for free as a donation or like $100 cause that is all i can spare if anyone knows where i can get one in the chicago land area that would be great

Biggie Calves

I think you're on the right track by using H as a supplement. I've heard of a trucking company that installed electrolysis units on thier Semis to supplement the diesel, and they CLAIM some impressive milage gains. I'd have to see it to beleive it.

Alcohol would be problematic. First off, it absorbs water, (which, by the way, has the second highest specific heat of any known substance) so you might be expending most of your H gains to change the water to steam. Alcohol requires a richer A/F to burn and doesn't have as much energy per gallon. Propane does as well, but a smidgin of turbo might complement H and propane nicely. And there wouldn't be any possibility of Formeldahyde emmissions, (alcohol's CO). And it wouldn't ruin your O2 sensor.

I heard recently that if you coat Aluminum with a thin layer of Gallium, then expose it to water, it will seperate into Al oxide, H, and heat, because the Gallium prevents the oxide coating from forming, and the O is drawn to the Al, letting the H2 free.

Valkyrie

Healthy skepticism goes a long way to keep people from wasting their time and effort one something that they're not capable of creating.

And I didn't say uneducated people can't create great things; the opposite is clearly true. But it DOES require some sort of ability, inspiration, and basic knowledge. Not pipe dreams.

Creating something and PERFECTING it are two completely different things. It might be possible to make an engine run on hydrogen, but it's never going to be a viable alternative to leaving well enough the hell alone. THAT is what requires millions of dollars, people with degrees, and years of experience.

And major engine modifications aren't something you can do with a few basic hand tools and store-bought components...

(for the vast majority of the time... we're not talking about discovering what can be used as a viable light bulb filament, we're talking about trying to improve on something that has been developed by millions of people for well over 100 years)

evileagle

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Aside from all the rest of this... does anyone remember that the Hydrogen RX-8 everyone keeps mentioning made like... no power?

Biggie Calves

I have no doubt that any internal combustion engine running on thin, gasous hydrogen would not create alot of power, but I don't think he's expecting it to be a rocket-car. It's an interesting concept nevertheless, and I want to see what happens. It doesn't matter that most experiments fail. You realize that Felix Wankel probably put up with this kind of critisizm for decades. And the rotary really wasn't practical until later in it's life. Sure you can disagree, but lets watch the experiment. As for lack of power, 12As only made 110hp from the factory, and it was still a hot seller.

mightymite

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if u really wanna try to power your rx7 with out gas you maybe better of running of of cooking oil but as far as i know u can only run that on a deseil engine... now with hydrogen it can be done on a 2 stoke cause i have a friend with a moped that runs on it.... i know very lil about the set up but its fairly simple i can get u in touch with my friend if your really thinking about doing this.

GOGGIN

ya that would be great if you could give me his email or i he is a member his member id. i have a gokart that i can test t on. it has a small 5hp lawnmower engine. i need to rebiuld it so it s a good starting place. thanks a bunch.

Eson

Yes you can run an ICE engine on hydrogen. But it wont be as fuel effective as a normal ICE engine. The real problem is how do you store this huge amount of hydrogen? You could fit maybe 250 litre of compressed hydrogen into a normal 70 litre gasoline tank, but how safe is that really? Now there are studies that point out that these tanks can be made as safe or even safer then a normal gasoline tank on a car. However the 250 litre compressed hydrogen still isnt enough to break even against the 70 litre gasoline in fuel efficiency. Maybe a 1000 litre compressed hydrogen tank is equal. But now you need an other car to hold that container.

This is kind of odd because hydrogen is one of, or even the most energy dense element known to mankind. Hydrogen is easily turned into heat energy while gasoline is a mix of pressure and heat, mostly heat. Fact is that piston/wankel ICE engines with gasoline have an efficiency of 35-40% where the heat energy just go straight out the pipe. Hydrogen with less gas pressure and higher heat energy would have around 10% of efficiency.

A diffrent type of engine that can make use of the heat loss is better suited for hydrogen. Maybe a Stirling engine?

t-von

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You are not being a skeptic. You are being very very judgemental. It's sad that you don't realize that. You have no idea of what GOGGIN is capable of or what can happen it he surrounds himself with the right kind of people.



I know you didn't! I said you where an example of someone who thinks that based on your previous post. It's not a pipe dream when someone was already successfully done it. You get enough heads together, things can happen.

Again you are wrong. Your taking everything to the extreme and not considering him doing this for just himself. People who have creative minds are always trying a find ways to invent things. The last thing they need is someone like you basically telling them they can't do it.

My goodness you are really closed mined. So I guess the Egyptian pyramids are a figment of our imagination? Based on your way of thinking, what they did many hundreds of years ago could not have been done based on their level of knowledge or serious lack of technology. The human mind is an amazing thing. You should open yours up a little more. I wonder how long you would survive on a deserted island by yourself?


And the more people that try, the better off our civilization will be.

rx7vadim

there are kits for sale cheap, suppost to increase milage and power. The way you inject hydrogen it throgh t fitting into fuel line.

So how the hell you gona save on fuel when you still have same amount of fuel going in via ecu and injectors.
My thoughts are if you getting more efficient and powerfull burn, you will use less throttle, thus saving gas.

rx7vadim

How has is it to convert to propene?

1fastmr2

haha