nevarmore

Heh, I was making a lil' joke. Without really knowing how much you wanted to spend buying off the shelf parts rather than making your own we're kind of putting everything into the shopping cart.

nevarmore

Thier website is here, http://www.canterbury.ac.nz/. Lotta listings under the search for 'hydrogen engine' to sift through.

nevarmore

Somewhat related: http://www.indystar.com/articles/7/198067-9767-010.html

ga88rx7

How bout hooking up one of these. Just imagine getting 35 mpg in your rx7

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...sPageName=WDVW

Looks like an easy setup. Thinking about making my own out of PVC or a steel can.

My 2 cents on H2 brittlement is its only an issue for nuclear reactors and they last longer than cars.

Rotary.Experiment

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i cant contribute to this thread, but ihave learned a great deal. *suscribed*

jhammons01

The Ebay link will go away after a while so I grabbed the text.


Description



Tired of GAS prices that keep going up with no end in sight ??? This is a home Brew Hydrogen generator for your auto/ truck if yours burns gas you can install this in your car. It really works too. Just add water and solution once in a while and your gas mileage could double or more, I call it the Hydro-Gen.. cause this way you still run on gas but do not have to make major changes to your engine. With this Unit, you don't have to make any changes to your engine at all. You can install this in about an hour and could be getting massive mpg. I put one on my RV which has a 350 chevy engine , Now I am getting better mpg and it seems to vary. I can tell you this, it is saving me money not just a penny or two either. So , it will be like paying less cents a gallon again for gas and as gas keeps going up so will the savings, This will pay for itself and keep on paying for itself, nothing to wear out , made of quality stainless steel. This will not harm your engine in anyway and Could actually cut down on pollution. Your Hydrocarbons could be cut to one third what it was. Your oil could look and stay cleaner, ( less carbon to dirty it ). This is truly a miracle for me. I will send plans,parts list and entire kit for install, with every bought generator. You can install this in about an hour . For those who cannot install it , I had a friend take it to his mechanic and the mechanic charged him for one hour labor. It is hard to decern things from a picture but I assure you this thing is great. This one has the two electrodes therefore it has the option of producing massive Hydrogen but to use both electrodes, there is a wire already on it , just move it over to the electrode and tighten the nut. If you use both electrodes , you will get even more mpg but you will need a high output alternator to run both as it willdraw a lot of amperage, I will also show you where to get one of these without it breaking you. Also please note , there is no way I can know how much increase every engine or car will get , I have had reports any where from 2 mpg to 20 mpg added and I have also had a report of someone losing mpg, which probably means they don't have something right. The RV that I get so much mpg on is using a 200 amp alternator therefore I can run the Hydro-Gen at full tilt ampere draw. Also the RV has an onan 4k watt generator , so running this at full tilt is not a problem. This device is deemed experimental and should be treated as such , keep in mind here that it does produce Hydrogen , which will burn in a combustion engine therefore if things are set up right and adjusted right it should save you gas because it is burning Hydrogen here. I am selling an item that does what I says it does , produces hydrogen and oxygen, nothing more nothing less. It is up to you to take the dream further or just plain use it as it is. This does not totally convert your car to Hydrogen, it is a booster, to totally convert your car to hydrogen , you would need to do some big engine work, like change valves etc or things would rust. But with this there is enough natural lubricant in the gas whereby the hydrogen becomes a boost and little gas is used. It is the ultimate system where no engine mods are required and you will only stop at the pumps once in a while. Please feel free to email me. But Please do not ask me to sell plans and the like. Keep something in mind also, any unit made of plastic or pvc will not hold up under heat nor will it produce enough hydrogen to matter, and you cannot clean these units, Keep in mind Stainless steel is the best !! , I was the first to produce these units and others are only copies or their renditions , any bigger unit that has over 2 electrodes would need 4 ga wire , what does that tell you? You would run a car battery dead even with a 100 amp alternator in about 20 mins. Not to mention burning out the alternator. I have even done testing with a 200 amp alternator which even with 3 electrodes is stiff to keep up the battery , A unit with more than 2 electrodes in a car will not work feasably , lets say you had a 300 amp alternator and could run that big unit, welp, there goes your mileage gains for too much of a load on the engine. I am the first here with these units, mine are stainless steel, mine , you can see the fluid levels and I stand behind mine. Thanks again Thanks and Happy Bidding. Another note is we have been researching Hydrogen for almost 10 years now and this is the result of our hard work, this was developed with a team of engineers and myself. We have tested this unit on an Asto Van with a v6 fuel injection engine and almost doubled the mpg , I get 28 mpg consistantly on mine and I do run a large alternator and both electrodes, These electrodes are not just any stainless steel either as others use. These are the highest grade stainless you can buy , as well as the container . It may look like a regular container, I assure you it is not. I had the manufacturer make these out of a higher grade stainless which is also important to the output. Thanks and.... Happy Bidding



JUST REMEMBER THIS !!!

PLEASE NOTICE FOR YOUR BEST DEAL....DO NOT BUY UNITS WITH....

1. CLEAR LIDS , They distort, crack and warp and even blow up.

2. UNITS WITHOUT HAVING THE STAINLESS STEEL REMANUFACTUED TO HIGHER QUALITY

3. STOLEN IDEAS

4. THERE IS NOTHING TO SUPPORT THEIR UNITS

5. UNITS WITOUT INSTALL KITS





My units have the ultimate stainless steel used for hydrogen and have been manufactured for this purpose. If you want to buy this unit I have , you will get an entire install kit with units that have been manufactured with hydrogen grade stainless steel and will last forever. I back that up.
The new units that ship have hydrogen grade stainless steel lids as well as the reactor and a nylon nipple .

Also, I will leave feedback after you have left it for me. If you don't leave any , neither will I

We DO include the schematic, info, and the entire kit with wires and all hardware to mount these units , including a 20.00 ammeter and 50 amp switch as well as hoses ,clamps, screws, brackets , fuse, fuse holder and the rest of the hardware, spade terminals etc. You can pay for this unit with the same shipping as other units and pay as much or more for those other units and not get the professional printed documentation with all information on how to use it and how it works and why as well as the wiring diagrams and the directions on what to do. And contrary to those who would not know, it is imperative to use hydrogen grade stainless steel everywhere possible and it is directly related to hydrogen output which is more proof others do not know what is going on here. Yes it is also imperative that the inside is correctly spaced and sized as well.

This unit does NOT need a 200 amp alternator but it is so equipped that you can hook up the other electrode and run a 200 amp alternator producing even more.



Please , Please , Please,

Before you bid on another unit check their feedbacks and click on the item numbers and see how many Hydrogen units they have sold and made and then check mine. Also , please email me before buying another unit , I can at least give you some pointers that may help you.

People know me and know my stuff is quality, read the feedbacks then you decide whos who.

These cans I used were manufactured for this purpose ONLY!


Look at my feedbacks and see who has been selling these longer and the amount and the support and the satisfied customers and that will paint the picture for you. I alone invented this device for automotive use. Do yourself a favor and base what you buy on factual evidence which is feedbacks, longevity of sales, support, kits, replacements and merely just being in Hydrogen for 10 years with research and development.

Here is what you get !!!!

1. Reactor ( Hydrogen Generator ) quality stainless steel

2. Detailed instructions, schematics, and install information

3. All necessary wiring and connectors, fuses , fuse holder

4. 50 amp switch

5. Extra schematic for using relay for more amperage

6. Quality in or under dash ammeter with bracket and light

7. Mounting bracket , Hose clamp and screws for mounting

8. Clear hose for hooking up the output.

9. Extra terminal ( electrode ) for more output



10. Support , this is important , I know what I am doing in this field and I think my feedbacks reflect that , the support I provide is most attractive because it is important to me that you have your unit working as you desire. I have more hours and expertise in this design I believe than that of anyone around. I have worked in Hydrogen and chemicals for 10 years and have a BS degree in engineering. Read my me thingy next to my ebay id. I believe in support after the sale and I remain dedicated to that end. I answer all emails in less than 24 hours and usually in no more than 2 hours. I have spent countless hours on this to benefit you the end user and I believe it is doing just that , also in hopes that this will help make a better world. Please know that I am here for you and will support you . I have read all the books, done all the school hours and work, done all the research, all the testing and development, trials and errors to get where Iam, I want you to be there as well. I also continue to do all those things.

Once again we thank all those who have helped us and those who will.

Immediate payment required !

Scott and Family



"That's all I got to say about that"-Forrest Gump

nevarmore

That ebay auction is like most everything else, it fails to beat certain laws of physics.

You will expend more energy than the hydrogen thats generated will yield.

MrFuzzy

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Love the HydroBOOST switch LOL

Whizbang

i did some electorysis experiments in a chemical engineering class a month or two back. well, the speed of the electroysis is very slow. that is why you cant do any "make as you go" fuel. you would need an outside source that is then stored in a tank. period.

BetterPartofValor

I don't know if this has been said already, but one of the problems with converting combustion engines to hydrongen engines is rust. If water is constantly running through your exaust pipe, and especialy through you rotors, theres bound to be more rust than usual. Professional labs have cured this be coating the engine parts in ceramics, but this is not something i imagine is possible for you to do.

couturemarc

http://www.ultimatecarpage.com/frame...=5&carnum=1792

http://www.ultimatecarpage.com/frame...=4&carnum=1792

these are both pics of a H2 powered renisis

here is the main website with more pics of the rx8

http://www.ultimatecarpage.com/frame...hp&carnum=1792

notice the location of the hydrogen injectors (near the top of the housings)

-Marc

PDF

I got a Datsun 1200 piston engine to start on hydrogen but havn't had time to do anything more about it, although I would rather be doing it to a rotary. I used a small water tank with stainless steel tubes as anode & cathodes and put 12 volts into it. Hydrogen was drawn thru a pipe into the manifold (via a flashback arrestor) and the carb became a throttle body.
I know of a guy who did the same setup(refined) and drives his every day and used something like 2L of water every 500km.

kontakt

There's a link on here somewhere that i'll try to find when i get home, i think it was under a thread on why rotarys use so much fuel or something inane like that, but it was a company that ceramic coated engine parts.

kontakt

the link was http://www.jhbperformance.com/ I am planning on having an engine coated by them myself at some point

Michael Smith

Rotaries love hydrogen and they work better that boinger's because the the rotor face has longer to cool off. From some of my experiments with hydrogen I believe the quickest safe way to make hydrogen on demand is with aluminium and caustic soda. The reaction can be self limiting if the vessel can withstand pressure. As the pressure builds the gas output falls but is released as the pressure drops. Some of the experimenters use a carby with a connection to needle valve to regulate the gas flow. The Carby is used as the air valve/and mixer. Storing large amounts of hydrogen is asking for early placement in heaven (all rotary owners go there don't they?) . Water/steam injection solves the polution problem. Hybrid petrol/hydrogen engine run cleaner than straight petrol engine by a country mile. With water injection they are even cleaner. BUT.....running cars on water is not really the solution! Water is far too important to humans to be wasted on cars unless you are going to drink the exhaust gas. Running cars on water will only push the price of water way above what it is now and water is too short already in many countries. That is my opinion, but each to his own.

Regards
Michael Smith

DemonicPupil

Some interesting things to look at as I see alot of "numbers" thrown around here but no facts.

Using electrolysis, it takes approximately 39 kWh to make 1kg of Hydrogen (http://www.nrel.gov/docs/fy04osti/36734.pdf).. You can get this energy free (solar, wind, hydro) or you can pay for it... Approx 11cents/kWh ~ $4.29/kg

Hydrogen outputs ~142 kJ/g and Gasoline puts out ~48 kJ/g

1 gallon of gasoline = 2.5kg
1 gallon of gasoline = 142000 kJ
1kg of Hydrogen = 120000 kJ

Stoich ratios

34:1 Hydrogen (http://www.clean-air.org/Hydrogen%20...en%20Cobra.htm)
14.7:1 Gasoline

Hydrogen can be SAFELY run at an 80:1 lean mixture. What's this mean? Hydrogen can be run between 3 and 5 times leaner than Gasoline. It also means better efficiency with Hydrogen.

1 cu meter of Hydrogen weighs 7.8g = 1107kJ
1 cu meter of Gasoline weighs 737200g = 35.4*10^6 kJ

Effectively, Hydrogen would need to be compressed to ~32,000psi to have the same energy density as gasoline. However, only needing an 80:1 a/f means we only need 6,000ish psi. Generally, most Hydrogen tanks are holding 3,000+ish psi. It's my view that a tank of equal size to our current tanks holding 3,000 psi will net half the gas mileage of a gasoline tank when tuned properly.

EFI: as load increases, so must the hydrogen... This can work one of 2 ways, keep current intake system and just add more air and hydrogen at higher RPM's or run the air intake at WOT and just increase Hydrogen to increase RPM. I plan to take the 2nd route thanks to Hydrogen's wide range of A/F ratios that it can burn in. The injectors would be fabricated and replace the current trailing spark. This eliminates any intake problems with gas being in the intake and eliminating detonation problems. A Hydrogen engine does not need a trailing spark because Hydrogen will burn completely on one spark.

Timing: Rotor goes through intake, as rotor face closes intake and Apex seal passes trailing plug, Hydrogen is injected into the chamber, compressed, and then ignited by leading spark... Round and round she goes... Using this timing increases fuel efficiency with no losses through leaks in the manifold and low chances of detonation.

Hopefully this helps some with your project, I would avoid the carb'd idea at all costs. It's dangerous and innefficient. I hope to see my project through within the next 6-9 months as money and resources permit. I currently have 2 professors searching for grants so that we can purchase a vehicle, tanks, and have the injectors fabricated.

nevarmore

Heh, thats why Alex started this thread. He's just started his schooling and needs numbers and sources to start really thinking about the project.

I'm interested in what you're doing. Could you make a post every now and again letting us know how the project is coming along?? It'd help out the engineers around here, and convice the hack-it-together-for-cheap crowd (myself included) not blow our asses up.

DemonicPupil

I absolutely refuse to make this a hack job, that and I think my professors would kill me. The car is going to have to look professional when it is completed. Thus far the plans include building a new ECU/EFI system using the MegaSquirt and adapting the code to suit my needs.

Need to cap off the original injector ports or possibly increase the air intake through these ports. This is the part where these boards and its membership shine most.

If anyone reading this is capable of making fuel injectors, I'd love to hear from you. Planned pressure in the fuel rail is approximately 50-70 psi. Fuel injector needs to bolt in at the trailing plug/plug at the top and be activated just like a typical injector. It's quite important that it seals tight . It would need to seal off a gas (not liquid).

Eson

I also have been thinking about hydrogen and internal combustion engines and i really like this idea: http://www.eskimo.com/~ghawk/rotary.html

But i lack the knowledge to calculate heat, pressure and effect.
But i got a brain, and water cant be compromised like air. Basically you need to inject the water after the compression. And then how effective the hydrogen is, heating up the water, i dont know.

Point is, if steam is effective and you dont use too much hydrogen, you got more time to drive around on the same tank. If we speculate, hydrogen is less dense then gasoline, but more energy dense. You need to pump in much more hydrogen to get same effect. If we then use steam, which is more dense then gasoline, it should increase the effect. But if the hydrogen isnt effective enough to vaporize the water, its useless. Turbos should be more effective with steam thought, since steam is more dense then air, maybe it add up?

//Crappy english + theoretical nonsens doesnt add up :&

DemonicPupil

I don't know if this idea is going to work. I mean, the theory of it is great. Injecting water into the intake and then expanding it with the heat of combusted Hydrogen is great in theory, but I don't think that the water will reach the temperature they're aiming at, thus not expanding to its full potential nor making as much power as they hope. I also think the expansion would be too slow to make any kind of power that would make today's society happy. My current aim is to make a vehicle that is powerful and sporty, yet does away with fossil fuels. I don't believe that this "Steam" rotary engine will give the power that would make Rotary enthusiasts continue their love for these vehicles once there's no oil left.

Pele

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I started a thread on this not too long ago and was pointed in here... Was wondering if anyone found a vendor for Propane/CNG fuel injectors... All I can find are the carburetors, which I don't like... Not only that, but for the vehicle I'm trying to convert, there are no carb manifolds...

It'd be nice if I could find injectors that'll fit the standard Bosch O-Ring type bung. Then just fab up a fuel rail and I'll be golden.

DemonicPupil

Even if you did have a carb manifold, you don't want to use a carb. The gas will find its way out of the carb. Fuel injection is going to be the most efficient way. Do a search for Hydrogen Cobra that a school in California built. I'm pretty sure they used injectors. I tried to contact the comapny that made the injectors, but they have not gotten back to me (that was 6 months ago)

Pele

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http://www.clean-air.org/Hydrogen%20...en%20Cobra.htm

Not at home. Dropping this here for future reference, to inform anyone else who's interested, and as a bookmark.

Whizbang

other interesting fact about using a carb....the static from all the moving parts has a very high chance of blowing the H2 that is in the intake manifold and in the carb system. which, obviously, is bad. i like the idea of using the trailing plug for injection. You dont need much to spark the explosion so one plug would work well.

Also, has anyone though of adapting nitrous nozzles for the H2? they work at simliar pressures and its essenitally doing the same thing. That is just a thought. I know there are companies that make jets that can be used for h2 injection (but usually not for powering an engine.)

Whizbang

for ease of viewing. here are those H2 renesis pics so you dont have to view the page.