600whp
 

What's the quickest, simplest, cheapest way to make 550-600 WHP, not bhp, not hp at the flywheel, 550-600 on the ground...I've been told its as simple as a good turbo setup, ecu w/ NO porting, is that true?

quickest way is to Max out your credit cards on parts!.lol!
what car and engine are we talking about here?

88 10ae 13bt I've been lookin at water injection too & that looks Very effective

I would say a rebuild with a somewhat large streetport. big turbo, 2k cc ID injectors on all four. haltech or some ems tuned by a reputable rotary tuner. and race gas should put you up there. anyone wanna correct me on that??

You were told wrong.... This is an involved setup to build reliably. There is nothing cheap about a 600whp rotary.

About $15-20k done right.

Engine ported, and doweled. (REW engines are better)
Twin disk clutch/ 6 puck
Good tranny
Stand alone (Haltech Sprint RE)
A larger frame turbo (GT42, HKS T51, etc)
Proper manifold & wastegate setup
ID injectors 1000/2000
Dual Aeromotive Stealths
FMIC
Cooling mods in check
CDI ignition and proper coil setup
Water injection
4" exhaust
instrumentation
A good tuner.

There are plenty other small things that need to be done, but this is a start.

If you are asking the question, you need to read and research. Spend some time in the Single Turbo section.

Race gas will definitely do it. If its a drag car, that is straight forward and easy. If it's a dual purpose or street toy, then water injection is the key. A 1000/2000 injector setup will put down 600 wheel and still be under 80% duty cycle. The 1000's are still very controllable for idle and light load tuning.

http://rx7.com/cgi-local/2ndgencalc.cgi

Ima prob start off w/ water injection bc I've seen nun but good results from it...& lookin at a to4z, gt35, & billet 6765

It takes more than a turbo, W/I, and high boost to get it there and keep it there for more than a dyno run!

I agree with XLR8, if you have to ask than you're probably not ready to do it right on your own...

OR! You could have your car taken to Ari and Co. at Rotary Performance (www.RX7.com, they are in Texas and very reputable) and tell them your plans. Ask what they suggest and do it. If you can't afford to do it right, than don't try to do it all in one step. Take care of reliability and support first, then chase power.

O know that, these aren't the only parts I've chosen
Jus a lil game plan

-built & large streetported motor
-a-spec billet6765 kit with a 1.00a/r t4turbine and ported H cover for fancy sound.
-power fc tuned by me
-850/2000cc injectors
-dual walbro pump and a kenne bell boost a pump
-coolingmist 250psi pump with a c10 injector 800cc running 100% water
-exhaust is 3" all the way back.
-exedy twin disk setup
-3 bar map sensor
-greddy profec s bc
-blitz fmic -alum radiator

-Not enough fuel. Go with 1000 primaries.
-4" exhaust will flow better. Above 500hp, you will need it.
-No need for a boostapump with a proper pump setup.
-Ditch the Walbro's and go with Stealth's or Supra pumps.
-Good turbo choice.
-I would go with a Haltech or Microtech. The ignition drivers will enable you to run a better setup. Otherwise you will be limited to the stock coils and a twin power. You will need a solid ignition for that power and amount of injected water.

That's an opinion, it's enough bc I've seen it done on a car w/ 650whp...all these should get there yo

Seen this asked too many times...

1. If you gotta ask, your already in for more than you can handle.
2. Tuned PFC by you wont get you 600rwhp...
3. XLR8's list is a good starting point but by no means biblical or the only way.
4. Read more, learn more, save money.

I'd love to see a 10th AE in Houston with 600hp.

I love how the thread started with "what do i need to get me there" and 3 days later he now says "I have seen it done and itll get me there"
why ask for opinions if you are not going to listen to them??

I'm in the process of a build to achieve 500-550 at the wheels with my 91. It will have an REW though. It's a long road with lots of expenses and it's no where near as easy or as cheap as you seem to think. I don't even want to think about how much money I've already spent buying parts or how much I have left to spend to buy the remaining parts. Just go ahead and buy some parts and start installing and take it to the dyno. Just see for yourself how easy it is to obtain this power level.

There's no such thing as "cheapest." Only "easiest" and "simplest."

The easiest would be to pay someone else to do it for you.

The simplest would be a turbo LS1 or a single turbo 20B swap.

There is no replacement for displacement. lol

Bc if you jus listen to everyone's opinions & input you'd never finish ya car -_-, that's jus one persons input & "I've seen it done" bc I have, I'm tryna hear other setups

Yea thats what I was thinkin, bc I know it ain't cheap so i should change it to what's OTHER ways or EFFICIENT ways to get there

I was also lookin at the to4z & gt35...what turbo, ecu & pump do you run?

600whp with a gt35? and its been done before? hmmmm

simple, rebuild motor .

big borg warner s476
all four 1680cc injector
microtech lt16 x4 plus msd coils
race fuel
big ass external fuelpump
big ass intercooler.

how long will it last... who knows haha

Seriously, if your in Houston, come out to one of the local meets and chat around with some of the local guys that are pushing over 350...they can help explain what it takes to get to 350 and why they arent there yet.

Even 350rwhp is a nice goal, and not easily attainable, especially reliably. And reliability matters.

Good luck...been chasing it for years..

you mind.. if i ask..
how do u plan on using this kinda of power
or what purpose u need this much power

keep in mind.. with more power .. u get more problems

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I drove a 7 w/ this power & that's where I really wanna be

If you know somebody that is running that much power than why are you asking here? Why not just talk to them to see what they did, and mimic it.

I call bullshit.

Anybody who put the time (serious money) and effort into getting their car there wouldn't let some random schmuck drive it. If they were than they are probably to trusting, or an idiot. Or, they could just be some random idiot that is pushing 350ish whp, but made up some calculations to convert their 348whp into 513, and just rounded up to 600 for the sake of attention.

Daaaaaam you a coward ass stalker...don't try to get attention by bein an asshole, but I know it makes no difference bc its obvious you're a pro it, its other ways to "mimic" that power that I might prefer

Quick and simplest would be

http://www.jegs.com/webapp/wcs/store...=138-ps6320ctc

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hahahaha thats so true !!

I'm sure you feel validated and justified in your emotional outburst. However the fact remains that you are clearly out of your depth (both in your exchange with me and your lofty aspirations) and you would do well to listen to what people say who have been there and already made/learned from the mistakes you're setting yourself up for. Insults and personal threats/attacks will not gain you any friends or support here.

The rotary engine does not suffer fools, and neither do the majority of her owners.


Lol, this would probably be cheaper in the long run too!!!

Haha I'm sure you feel the same w/ your disrespect & that is the reason you lost before you even opened the browser

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You realize that you aren't even educated enough on this subject, or on speaking with people like me, to register as a being worth anybodies full attention.

You haven't made a single valid point supporting your cause. Each post you type simply reiterates how little you actually know. You're going to make 600whp on a gt35r?!?!? Seriously? What are you going to power your project with? Hopes and dreams? That's the dumb shit that Obama sold to the idiots (like yourself) hailing from Section 8. Guess where that led?

Are you even intelligent enough to have a job that will financially support your goals? It's apparent that you don't really have the know-how to pull this off on your own (if you did then you would never have posted this thread to begin with), that means you're going to need to pay somebody else to do your thinking, fabbing, and tuning. That stuff gets expensive, trust me.

You're obviously juvenile, inexperienced, and you have a serious ego problem (if you had the background required for this than you'd AT LEAST have the caution to tread lightly while figuring out what you're dealing with)...

I'm honestly afraid that taking the time to write these things out in an intelligent and, normally, understandable manner is absolutely lost on you and your substandard intelligence level.


Seriously kid, don't beat your chest in some victory dance before you've even been engaged.


I'll be the first person to tell somebody what I don't know. It doesn't bother me in the slightest. But that's because I'm comparing myself to some of the best builders and tuners (who I personally know and am friends with) in both America and the UK.

You have access to SOOOO much knowledge on this site and RCC. But your insolence somehow makes you think that you know more than everybody else?? Even though we've all been there and done that you somehow think you know better?

What have YOU ever done that makes you think your assumptions are more valid than actual experience?

Seriously, I'd like to hear what you think makes you so qualified to be a little douche bag. Oh, and try to use "big kid" words while you're at it. Leave your common slang at your momma's front porch..

Lol its funny how you're letting me drive you...if this is all it takes to make you go off you really need help, if I was as arrogant as you've made me out to be I wouldn't bother making a profile to ask questions...I made this post right before posting it in rcc, where I got exactly what I needed & learned porting isn't, YOU STALKED ME for some sick twisted reason, saw the same post, jumped to conclusions & jus made up in your mind that I wasn't satisfied w/ the answer I received on rcc, & proceeded w/ bein a disrespectful asshole who took my questions as the answer to what I was sayin. If you look at the dates & get facts before you unleash a barrage of insults you'd see i made those posts minutes apart, so I could get more feedback. The question prob wasn't specific enough but if you're soooooo smart & intellectual it'd make sense to help clarify instead of ranting about irrelevant things such as this...bottom line is if you would've minded your business you would've have came out lookin like an arrogant stalker who jumps to conclusions & complains about not understanding someone

Take a picture of your current set-up...

If you had been around longer than I'm sure you would have noticed that I tend to read threads, and post, around these parts. I've been doing it for going on six years now. Trust me kiddo, you're not important enough to stalk.

One thing to keep in mind pumpkin, you don't automatically get respect. You start off at a neutral level, then depending on how you act you are either granted more respect from people or it's taken away. You are being an insolent little prick. As such you get zero respect. Drop your stupid little attitude like you're entitled to something, because you aren't entitled to shit.

Normally I don't like to completely shit all over peoples threads (unless they are in the lounge and/or completely retarded, and it's apparent that this thread isn't in the lounge) but since you've already derailed your own thread with immature name calling and threats I really see no reason to respect you, or your thread.

You know you're reminding me of another member on here named Mark aka YZF-R1, aka No_More_Rice, aka jesus freak. Mark is also living in his own little, delusional, world where he thinks people are stalking him and that he is somehow the most important person in any thread he enters. Guess what? He isn't, and neither are you.

Oh, and I'm fairly certain you're mixing up threads.

If I'm not important enough why contradict yourself, I am COMPLETELY certain on the threads I've started & don't really have any idea what attitude you mean but can see you like to label ppl simply from a thread -_- I mean cmon really, I'm sure mark is an arrogant fool but I see no similarities between me & him...I'll jus be the 1st to say this is ridiculous & pointless, see ya

So..are we done yet?.(just lightening up the tension)
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You should look into Dowelling and pinning that engine if you go for high HP like 600.

Lol quite, I've heard many sides where ppl say its needed & it isn't...I really don't know

I ran a GT35R once. I couldn't hit 400 HP at 17 PSI. The GT35 doesn't have enough CFM to hit 600 on a 2 rotor wankel. Get a GT42, then come back swinging away.

600 on a GT35.... lol

"35" series turbos typically don't have enough steam for 600whp. They are a excellent street car turbo however, spool fast and make decent power. You really need to look into the s400 series of Borg Warner's for 600whp. On my personal car I made 400whp on a mustang Dyno(thats about 525 flywheel horsepower).

If your just looking for a magic number have the Dyno operator over compensate the results.

As for dowelling, it's totally dependent on the fuel used,tuner, and quality of build. Our 1000whp race car has had both dwelled and undowelled engines in it(undowelled right now), it's had quite a few passes with out a miss soo far.
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I did find that out quick, looked at some Borg warner & billet turbos

Yeah, I'm good. So long as the noob doesn't get lippy and act like some little wanna-be thug I'm happy to help :lol:

Honestly I can't really comment either way on dowel/pinning an engine, though I'll be having my engine dowelled with my current rebuild. I'm really not planning on pushing much over 500whp though since my car is SCARY FAST at 470whp.



If the OP is contemplating going with a medium sized turbo, and just cranking up the boost, he might really want to consider looking into the billet turbos. If you're serious about doing it I'd say def call Sean at A-Spec and see about getting the kit from him as he does GREAT work and it's worth the money.

Don't try to cheap out and cut corners, especially if you're looking for high power, as you WILL end up regretting it down the line..

And yeah, I'll second what was said earlier about a PFC not being able to cut it... Look into Motec's, the M400 is damned good for the application (I'm planning on swapping to it from my PFC later this summer) and should remain pretty competitive as a "hobby" ecu for a while to come.

No dowels or extra pins, PFC ecu, 600+rwhp, 67.3mm turbo, drive it to work a couple times a week, garage built short block for under $1500, "LOTS" of drag passes at 30+psi, 4th season on unopened motor.

Not trying to brag at all, just stating that many combos work and many dont work. Do I think the PFC is the best... NO.. But it will work just fine if set up right along with all supporting mods done right.

That's pretty badass man! Who does your tuning?

That's the kinda info I wanted/needed appreciate it

No one got lippy until you disrespected them...don't act innocent but thank you for the rota related input

Wow... Really Adam? I mean, really? I'd like to call your attention to posts #26 and #27. In no way did what I posted justify your reaction (if you think it did than you REALLY need to toughen up and get some thicker skin, this is the internet).

It was a combination of your childish name calling and internet tough-guy crap that prompted me to react the way I did.

If you want to get treated like a spoiled high schooler than act like one. If you want to be treated like an intelligent adult than act like one.

Period, the end.

So what provoked me to say that? You disrespecting me & insulting my intelligence by sayin things like I'm not smart enough to ask understandable questions...like you said I'm a noob & may not know exactly what to say to get my point across pertaining to rotas & that's no reason for disrespect...as smart as you say you are I know you realize this

A) Rotors, say it. NOT "rotas".

B) That's life, learn to deal with it. If you go through life picking fights with strangers over every perceived slight than you're going to get your ass kicked, a lot (if you ever tried to slap me I'd break the arm your hand was attached to). And if not than you'll probably wind up a lot worse off one day.

C) You are a noob.

D) Your question didn't make any sense, and you didn't understand what you were asking well enough to even explain it without many detailed questions from more experienced people.

E) Where is your problem with the above?



This is fucking stupid though. If you want to keep bickering over your hurt feelings than just sent me a PM.

You know exactly what I mean, don't try to put a twist on it...if you get upset bc you can't understand something you're gonna have a hard time, don't disrespect ppl YOU DON'T KNOW for the ridiculous fact you don't understand them (which is what happened), its really simple I know you understand me perfectly rotas & all