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Old 11-11-03, 04:15 PM
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Originally posted by Ni5mo180SX
I dont think its fair to compare the JGTC Supra. Using an NA V8 and tube frame chassis is a far cry from the same Supra's you see out on the streets. Also, the MRS and FD are in a different class from the others.

Also, about the FC/FD handling debate, im not quite sure. The FD offers its double wishbone suspension and PPF which increasres torsional ridgitiy quite a bit. Also, FD's engine is mounted lower and further back then the FC. But the FC is a bit lighter and its suspension design really isnt a slouch either. Guess it comes down to tuning at that point. Just my two cents.

doesn't the JGTC supra use the 3s-gte (not sure on the engine code, but the mr2 turbo motor)?
Old 11-11-03, 04:30 PM
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I've heard from somewhere that it uses a 3S-GTE. The MR-S does also and has a sick front mount with piping to the rear of the car.
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i know a supra owner, says he changes his tires more often then he changes his underwear.....for me....i admit i cant afford to change my tires like that.....so i like my stock FC....im also trying this drifting thing...so a 600HP would be alittle impossible to handle for a novice
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Ok know buddy here looks at the drag racing RX-7's well I have read about 800 hp N/A 13B's, 1000 13B REW's, and 1600 20B's(not tuned fully yet). and who cares about power it has been proven(Even the Supra guys agree to this for our cars) that a 600hp RX-7 will smoke a 1000hp Supra!!!.


P.S if you want real crazy/pyco power that is undercontrol get a Skyline the RB family of engines eat supras for breakfest. and they can control it. If you want Great Power and Grace get a RX-7 FC/FD if you want a bregging rights(That still gets out bregged by skylines) massive hp heavy drag race only metal slug(for the looks) get a supra!!!!!
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ID mixup

The above post by Mike is really me The ID is wrong The ID of Mike's post is ME
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"And lets not get into the 2.6 arguement again please it is too much to discuss all over again. its 1.3 and thats all I will beleive."

I'd say they are like 1.3L two stroke engines, but they actually have four strokes in half the roatations.
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no such thing as an 800hp n/a two rotor. can't happen.
Old 01-06-04, 11:14 AM
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guy at a shop here in town built a 3-rotor with 843rwhp. Won the dyno challenge at nopi a few years back. He's in jail now.
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haha.
13b and 1k hp+ = no.
someone prove me wrong
Old 01-06-04, 12:43 PM
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http://www.evil7.com/arniesbeast.html

I think this is one of the most powerful 13Bs out there.

Check out the rest of www.evil7.com there are some bad *** 20Bs as well.
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Originally posted by zinx
http://www.evil7.com/arniesbeast.html

I think this is one of the most powerful 13Bs out there.

Agreed. The number 847 stick in my head for Abel's 3rd gen 2 rotor from a few years back.... but I could be completely off on that.
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ya it might have been 847.... it was a guy named todd that owned a shop called speedcraft it went out of business a few months back.
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Why the hell would you want 1000???

Let alone tires going bald, There's no way a stock tranny could handle that load for very long. Yeah okay maybe someone somewhere got a stock tranny to handle it but, come on, what did it last, an hour?
I simply don't believe a stock drive train could handle that.

I just think 1000 is completely useless. Sure you might be able to go 0-60 in two seconds, But my guess is you'd go 0-60 in a half a second cause only the tires would move and you wouldn't. Or the flywheel would blow up and cut your head off.

1000 is a waste of money. Buy a JATO unit strap a lawn chair to it with bungy cords or something. Just about as practical.

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Originally posted by sirkus
haha.
13b and 1k hp+ = no.
someone prove me wrong
Carlos Gonzales (G & S Racing)
it doesnt give an exact number, but estimates "upwards of 900whp." thats without the nitrous (which may not even be used where the most hp is being made). this also is borderline 1K horsepower because i have no idea what the drivetrain loss is. either way, if its not a 1000hp 13B, its knocking on the door.
btw - i am well aware this isn't 'proving you wrong,' but it is a fair warning that it is probably possible if not already done.

91 RX7; 13B-RE; TURBO Magazine, August 2003
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Originally posted by SureShot
Someone help me ID this car from Orlando.
It is an FC with a tube chassis powered by a 13B, alcohol injected.
>1000HP, 9.23sec 161.98MPH with a problem launch.

Click here to play a 2.7MB video of a >1000HP 13B.
He said he had a dyno pull of nearly 1300HP last year.
I saw it do an 8.4 last summer.

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what a boring topic. it only strayed about 1308 times!
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Originally posted by SureShot
He said he had a dyno pull of nearly 1300HP last year.
I saw it do an 8.4 last summer.

I recall reading this quite awhile ago. His engine did about 1,300 at the crank but as I recall, the owner of the vehicle couldn't get any sponsorship so building his drag car was coming out of pocket. I also remember reading that he was adding some more to the engine, (what it was I don't remember) but I remember the number 1,400 mentioned.

There definately is at least 1 1000+ 13b
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Wow, 1000.

I guess if you go drag then that's what you'd do.

Still can't believe it even though there's documented proof.
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Originally posted by Rotary?Cool
Think of what a four pot engine does in one revolution of the crank........It only fills two of its cylinders in one cycle or 360 degrees. While two pistons are compresing 180 degrees and igniting 180 degrees the other two are intakeing 180 degrees and compressing 180 degrees. Now think of the rotary which completes the entire process of a 4 stroke engine in 360 degrees. So while your piston engine does a suck squeeze that takes an entire rotation of the crank my rotary engine just sucked, squeezed, ignited, and exhausted in one revolution. Thats why a rotary engine of 1.3L can be compared to a piston engine 2.6L, the rotary completes an entire combustion cycle in the same time a piston engine does half..
ok, then by your reasoning, any 2-stroke engine (like the one on my dirt bike) isn't .25L like it says It's .5L. I'll be sure to tell that to the guys when I decide what class I'm going to run in.

On the topic of 1000hp on a 13b. The current issue of Sport Compact Car has a small blip - with picture - of a mazda developed rx8 drag car with 1300hp. I do not know if this is a 13b, but it would be safe to assume it is.

edit: also, haltech has an fd in one of their ads that produces over 900hp on the 13b, I believe it's the flying mexican something or other... It's been a couple years since I've seen it, I'll have to go dig it up...

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Originally posted by SureShot
Someone help me ID this car from Orlando.
It is an FC with a tube chassis powered by a 13B, alcohol injected.
>1000HP, <10sec with a problem launch

Click here to play a 4MB video of a >1000HP 13B.
i dont know if someone answered, so sorry if this is a double post.

that may be Carlos Gonzalez (who i mentioned a couple of posts ago).
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:Engine Turbo 1.3L 13B 2-Rotor on Alcohol

also says he has 8.5comp rotors; 13B RE engine.
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Originally posted by Templeswain
Still can't believe it even though there's documented proof.
thats the optimistic spirit all employers are looking for!
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Well at first I thought Ryl was asking about 1000 for some street project of his.

All I could think of was: Ka-*******-boom.

Still, even a 13b at 1000 doesn't even seem like a 13b anymore. I would like to see all the specs on it. Because obviously its not stock. Did they enforce the rotor housings with thicker side seals? I mean holy ******* **** man, what kind of porting job and ignition system is on there? It seems to me that maybe it was a 13B once upon a time. Maybe it still says 13b on it but I would guess that there's some serious mods to keep those rotors from blowing straight out of the hood.
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www.srmotorsports.com

Coming out with a 1,000 HP Turbo kit. While the stage 5 trubo makes 740 @ 24 or so PSI.
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Originally posted by hpram99
ok, then by your reasoning, any 2-stroke engine (like the one on my dirt bike) isn't .25L like it says It's .5L. I'll be sure to tell that to the guys when I decide what class I'm going to run in.
Everything in Rotary?Cool's post was completely correct. You can argue about the rotaries "capacity" until you're blue in the face, but that doesn't change the fact that a 13B (or a 1.3L 2-stroke) suck in a similar volume of air per revolution to a 2.6L 4-stroke piston engine. That is why rotaries and 2-strokes make such large amounts of power for their size.
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all the specs? i don't know exactly how you mean that, but a main part of a rotary is its porting which there's no "spec" for. also, how much more power is made by using alcohol? its self cooling (though i believe the car runs an air-to-liquid) and makes more power per volume. the question isn't how the power is made, but how the engine is held together. i'll check the article later to see if it says anything about how the engine is held together.

street project?? haha, god i would hope not. well, it'd be badass for a few minutes. can't imagine the lag. then again, what's the nitrous for??



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