ive finally made my decision to come back home to the 2 rotor.v8 is pissing me off.

i will be doing alot of **** to ensure quality in this 2 rotor project though.

re-sam is my here for fd bays so i will follow him.plus turbos are cool.

i will stick with about 350hp to keep it reliable for awhile.instead of my previous motor at 20k miles.

i will have assload of gauges. wire removal.a stand alone ecu .single turbo.and greddy 2 row.
my radiator i have is enough to cool a 4 rotor or a 800hp 500cid block nascar engine.all stainless steel braided lines.metal hosing instead rubber coolant hose.i will make sure its clean install.clutch flex hose.

i will also lower the engine and push it back.

so now that you know im coming back to the rotary family who wants to help me find a front clip and parts?

 

twint78, have you considered a 20B conversion? Obviously you were unhappy enough with the 13b originally to do the lt-1 conversion, and a couple of days ago you were looking at going with a turbo buick setup.
I agree with you that turbos are cool. It's one of the feelings that has me second guessing whether I'd want to do a v8 conversion myself (my 13B is dying, and I haven't decided whether to rebuild/reman, or go with an LS1).

It seems like the 20B would be challenging enough, and exotic enough that it might hold your attention Plus, with a single turbo you ought to be able to make some pretty sick power pretty reliably, if there is such a thin on a FI wankel.

 

twint78, welcome back, how does it feel?

You may want to change your location...

 

wingsfan if u decide to sell let me know i want the whole front clip.harness.engine to transmission.

i have considered the 20b then i considered the rarity and costs.i just miss my 8k rpm/fast revving/turbo spool/and the sound of a wastegate dumping.makes me wet myself.

 

TwinT78, I'll let you know if I decide to go with the LS1. I usually lean that direction when something is broken and I have to wrench on the car. Usually a quick spin around the block swings me back toward the 13B.

Anyhow, I'm sure that your time frame will be faster than mine. I'm not going to do anything until the end of summer if I decide to go LS1. I want to be able to enjoy my car while the weather is nice. Once the ran starts there'll be tons of time to upgrade things. Anyhow, I'll let you know, but I'm pretty sure you'll have hunted the parts you'll need down by the time I make up my mind.

 

does it matter if i go with the t2 engines.they seem to be more plentiful and cheaper as front clips.

 

Just curious, why don't you like the V8? I'm kind of surprised you'd want to switch back so soon after all the trouble of getting the V8 in there in the first place. I say give the turbo buick engine a chance!

 

Just curious, why don't you like the V8? I'm kind of surprised you'd want to switch back so soon after all the trouble of getting the V8 in there in the first place. I say give the turbo buick engine a chance!

 

Glad to see you're coming back over. I've driven some high hp V8s, but they just don't have that special something that a pressurized rotary offers your senses.....

 

As far as I know, the engines are different. There are two different engine codes (13B vs 13B-REW), and I think the rotors in the REW (3rd gen engine) are lighter? Experts please advise.

 

amazing....

Id expect a harrassing visit from tbiebokie in this thread. lol

so what happened with the v8 situation...why did it **** you off. it will be interesting to see what the downside of the v8 conversion is....especially after how easy and trouble free the guys who sell the kits made them out to look.

j

 

Give it time, it is inevitable

I'm also curious. Especially since I'm one of those "on the fence" for the conversion. I'm hoping my engine will make it through the summer, but I'm not holding my breath. Decision time is coming, and the clock is ticking. Tick, tock.

 

are you sellin the engine in there now?

 

im sticking the engine in my 73 chev nova.

well one reason i want to take it out is the 700r4 transmission.it seriously sucks.keeps blowing gaskets.

two wiring is multiplied with adding an engine that is not set up for the speedo and tach.all the rewiring and gadgetry.

three.its alot of damn crank to throw around.

anytime u want to modify u have to pull the engine.damn near close to it.

five.its alot more weight to slug around a corner.

six.the twisting force of the engine is ***.

seven.i miss turbos.

eight.i miss 9k rpms

nine.there is alot of products u cannot use for the chassis once u have the v8 cuz the whole drivetrain takes up too much room.

ten.i make alot more money know than 6 months ago.so i can spend a 1000 for rebuild supplies and rebuild it myself.instead of hocking everything to do the v8 swap.

eleven i will be approaching my rotary alot smarter this time.smaller turbo for low down torque.and more reliability mods than last time.

but if anyone wants to help me put her back please tell me some places or ppl with some good deals right now.

most everything will be aftermarket.and like i said before.i will push the engine 4inches back(all the way against the firewall)and about 3-4 inches down.

everything will be gel coated black or ceramic.i love that look.im keeping my v8 frame to do this since
it is lighter and has an open hole to modify engine placement.

umm ive looked at 2nd gen engines compared to the 3rd gen engines.they seem to be cheaper and more plentiful.more parts are plentiful.parts are cheaper.people are making just as much power in them.
they have a mechanical oil pump instead of an electrical one right?i think so. the front cover is more what im looking for on an engine also.coil packs are better on the 2nd gen even though i will probably use microtech packs.

anymore questions feel free to ask?plusafter awhile everyone started doing the damn conversion.kind of got stupid.

 

Why would anyone love the turbos? I don't get it. With turbos you get lag, non-linear power, and another system that is prone to failure. And there is the added stress to the engine.

I love my 13BREW! But if I had the choice between an NA powerplant and an equivalent forced induction powerplant, I'd definitely chose the NA route.

 

interesting to see how big a project like that really is...especially from someone who took on the idea so strongly rather than the salesmen.


j

 

Actually, some people, like myself, like the kick in the pants the turbos give you. I've driven my father's Z06 quite a few times. Even though I know it's faster than my FD, it doesn't seem like it because the power is so linear. The turbo shot in the pants really makes a car feel different. Some people like that.

 

You were dropped on your head alot as a child, weren't you?

 

well tbie everyone thought i was pulling their leg when i wanted to go v8.just a bullshitter, cuz i talked about a 20b swap days b4.well guess what happened.3 months later i had my v8rx7 up and running.

And yes i am a person that can do that.ive rode yzf r6's,100hp. then graduated to a cbr954 at 137hp and a ton more torque.it got stolen now im back to riding a new r6.people said i would miss it and i was an idiot.and i dont miss it yet.i love 15k rpms alot more than 10k. ya get me.

 

Wow, doing the V8 swap in 3 months is quite a feat!!! I have a friend in South FL that just finished his and he's having the same prob with the speedo and tach. Anyway, it took him about 6 months for his LS1 and I thought that was pretty quick. He has a lot of free time and spent a TON of time on the project. To do that in 3 months I can only imagine how much time you must have spent!!! I think the V8 swap might be ok for some people but its not my cup of tea and definatly not something I'd be interesting in trying, especially after seeing exactly what all is involved in that swap.

Anyway, glad to have you back. I dont have any parts to sell but if you have any technical questions feel free to PM me, I'll answer whatever I can.

STEPHEN

 

I thought I was the only one who got that feeling but a 20B is not as bad if you would be doing the work yourself and most cores dont require an immediate rebuild depending where you get it from.

Did you not like the instant torque of the V8?

 

I don't know you from Adam, so don't take this personally, but I call bullshit. From someone who did all of the conversion, let me run down your list of negatives.

Exactly which gaskets do you keep blowing? I've got the T56 in mine, but I've known plenty of people with stock and built LT/LS1s and not a single one of them has experienced any "gasket" failures, let alone several of them.

Actually, the shear number of wires in the car is greatly reduced. The GM PCM contains fewer wires than the FD harness. I've also had problems with the speedo/tach working, but not a result of an interface problem. The hookups are very simple and straightfoward. Mine are dead because a few requisite wires got cut during job.

My LS1 is almost as quickly reving as my 13REW used to be. Aside from that, isn't "all that crank" the point?

The ONLY modification you could do to the motor that would require "pulling" the motor is to swap cams. That wouldn't require removing the motor all together, simply removing the motor mount bolts and lifting the front of the motor up.

My car weighs less in street trim now than with my twin turbo 13BREW setup.

My motor moves quite a bit less laterally than my 13B ever did, even with my FEED torque brace.

I've got nothing to say about that. That's your personal preference and you're more than welcome to it.

Your 13BREW revved to 9k rpms? Last time I checked the rev limiter was a good bit less than that. Not to mention that peak power is quite a bit lower than that, so what would you be doing at 9k anyway?

What products might that be? The only one I'm aware of is the JP imported engine/tranny braces. The drivetrain takes up NO more room than the stock FD setup. All the stock FD chassis braces are still in place and unaffected on my car. It's every bit as stiff as it was prior to the v8 swap.

To be swapping motors out every 3months, I sure hope you make alot of money.


Again, please don't take offense to anything I've posted, it was simply meant to be informational for others who are considering doing this swap.

 

I've gotta ask, why is 3 months fast for an engine swap? Doesn't Hinson sell the pre fabbed wiring harness and all the mounting stuff you'll need? If you had the engine and all of the parts, why would it take more than, say, a solid week?

 

You are probably blowing "gaskets" because the TV cable isnt set correctly. Set up too tight will increase line pressure. The stock LT1 isnt going to set the world on fire because of its relatively flat power curve and inability to breathe up high, and it is 40 year old technology in an iron block. Dont be a *****, just do the 20b and get it done quickly.

 

That's exactly right. Most of the conversion time is spent waiting on parts you need (more often on parts you didn't even realize you were going to need). Despite the "completeness" of Hinson's "kit", there are still SO many other things you'll need. Things you wouldn't even think you were going to need, until you actually get your hands dirty. Three months was a good bit faster than I did mine in. However, if I had to do it again tomorrow, I bet I could get it done start to finish inside a week.