rxcited2

If you guys read this thread carefully, then you should also have come across the thread reference where these issues and other rotary specific issues are discussed. If you connect up and/or program the unit incorrectly, then you might not get complete fuel cut. The RL unit tries to alternate which injectors it cuts so as to balance the effect over all "pistons". Since the rotary uses two injectors on each rotor, those need to be cut at the same time in order to get a true fuel cut. With true fuel cut, there can be no combustion and therefore there is no danger of running lean at WOT or anywhere else.

The other thread suggested that the default RL settings (as shipped) do not provide perfect fuel cut for the rotary. This is because with the progressive and alternating cut scheme the RL uses, sometimes it would cut 1 of the 2 injectors on a given rotor. But with some twiddling, it can be done properly. It was also suggested that even with half of the fuel charge delivered, there still would be no combustion and therefore it would be safe, though you would be dumping unburned fuel in this case. Personally, I will not accept this and I am counting on being able to program it so that it cuts both injectors on each rotor, whenever it decides to engage.

Prometheus

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I did search, but I only searched in the 3rd generation section. I guess I should have given the race car tech section a look, but it didn't occur to me.

sorry.

Well if you will stand behind the product 100% as you stated then I'll add myself to the list.

1) calculon - 3-rotor, Launch Control, Full Throttle Shift, and Digital Adjuster
2) Juiceh - 2-rotor, Launch Control, Full Throttle shift, Digital Adjuster, Datalogging, Wheel Speed Sensors.
3) Juiceh - 3-rotor, Launch Control, Full Throttle shift, Digital Adjuster, Datalogging.
4) gooroo - 2-rotor, Launch Control, Full Throttle Shift, and Digital Adjuster
5) Str8ryd - 3-rotor, Full Throttle Shift, and Digital Adjuster (NOT sure about this ABS issue...)
6) stickmantijuana - 3-rotor, Launch Control, Full throttle shift, and digital adjuster
7) hyperion - V8 LS1 ABS version, Launch Control, Full Throttle Shift, Digital Adjuster, and Datalogging
8) chillin_rx7_guy - 2-rotor, Launch Control, Full Throttle Shift, and Data Logging (FD RX-7)
9) rxcited2 - 2-rotor ABS version, Launch Control, Full Throttle Shift, Digital Adjuster, and Data Logging
10) neit_jnf - 2-rotor, Launch Control, Full Throttle shift (The unit can be programmed with a laptop right? the digital adjuster is just for instant adjustments and display and is not needed for operation?)
11) Ernie T - 2-rotor, Launch Control, Full Throttle Shift
12) warick101 - 2-rotor, Launch Control, digital adjuster, and Data Logging
13) mdude - 2-rotor ABS version, Launch Control, Digital Adjuster, Full Throttle Shift and Datalogging
14) Trout2 - 2-rotor, Launch Control, Digital Adjuster, Full Throttle Shift, & Data Logging
15) HiFD - 2-rotor, Launch Control, Digital Adjuster, Full Throttle Shift
16) aoc007 - 2-rotor ABS version, Launch Control, Full Throttle Shift, Digital Adjuster and Data Logging
17) rebo0t - honda 4cylinder ABS version, Std. Adjustable Traction Control unit, only Data Logging
18) sk8erpunk1983- 2-rotor, ABS version, Launch Control, Digital Adjuster, Full Throttle Shift and Data logging (Price Pending)

FDNewbie

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No worries man. Sometimes I just get a little annoyed when the answers are right there but ppl are still askin lol. Guess bein on the forum for a while wears ya a bit

reboot

2 more people then... If you guys do some searching you may get an idea of how much discount off from the past group buys. Not to say its the same for this current one but at least you have an idea.

calculon

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Don't intend to clutter the thread unnecessarily Ramy, just reposting for those too lazy to search for the answer (which was already provided. . . IN THIS THREAD)

FDNewbie

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Calculon, yea I know the answer was posted in this thread....but I figured pointing THAT out too woulda been overkill

legendrx7

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would it be possible for me to just get a digital adjuster to add to my existing setup?

FDNewbie

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I don't see why not... I'll have to ask though for sure. Plz add your name to the list for just that unit so I make sure to check on it.

legendrx7

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1) calculon - 3-rotor, Launch Control, Full Throttle Shift, and Digital Adjuster
2) Juiceh - 2-rotor, Launch Control, Full Throttle shift, Digital Adjuster, Datalogging, Wheel Speed Sensors.
3) Juiceh - 3-rotor, Launch Control, Full Throttle shift, Digital Adjuster, Datalogging.
4) gooroo - 2-rotor, Launch Control, Full Throttle Shift, and Digital Adjuster
5) Str8ryd - 3-rotor, Full Throttle Shift, and Digital Adjuster (NOT sure about this ABS issue...)
6) stickmantijuana - 3-rotor, Launch Control, Full throttle shift, and digital adjuster
7) hyperion - V8 LS1 ABS version, Launch Control, Full Throttle Shift, Digital Adjuster, and Datalogging
8) chillin_rx7_guy - 2-rotor, Launch Control, Full Throttle Shift, and Data Logging (FD RX-7)
9) rxcited2 - 2-rotor ABS version, Launch Control, Full Throttle Shift, Digital Adjuster, and Data Logging
10) neit_jnf - 2-rotor, Launch Control, Full Throttle shift (The unit can be programmed with a laptop right? the digital adjuster is just for instant adjustments and display and is not needed for operation?)
11) Ernie T - 2-rotor, Launch Control, Full Throttle Shift
12) warick101 - 2-rotor, Launch Control, digital adjuster, and Data Logging
13) mdude - 2-rotor ABS version, Launch Control, Digital Adjuster, Full Throttle Shift and Datalogging
14) Trout2 - 2-rotor, Launch Control, Digital Adjuster, Full Throttle Shift, & Data Logging
15) HiFD - 2-rotor, Launch Control, Digital Adjuster, Full Throttle Shift
16) aoc007 - 2-rotor ABS version, Launch Control, Full Throttle Shift, Digital Adjuster and Data Logging
17) rebo0t - honda 4cylinder ABS version, Std. Adjustable Traction Control unit, only Data Logging
18) sk8erpunk1983- 2-rotor, ABS version, Launch Control, Digital Adjuster, Full Throttle Shift and Data logging (Price Pending)
19) legendrx7 - Digital Adjuster only

Thanks Ramy!

legendrx7

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BTW, when the order goes through and everyone starts to receive their units. I do have several pictures that I took during my installation and would be happy to host them and provide a link. Just let me know.

Asleep

I would like the digital adjuster as well, please.

Tony

FDNewbie

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Asleep, plz add your name to the list accordingly

Asleep

1) calculon - 3-rotor, Launch Control, Full Throttle Shift, and Digital Adjuster
2) Juiceh - 2-rotor, Launch Control, Full Throttle shift, Digital Adjuster, Datalogging, Wheel Speed Sensors.
3) Juiceh - 3-rotor, Launch Control, Full Throttle shift, Digital Adjuster, Datalogging.
4) gooroo - 2-rotor, Launch Control, Full Throttle Shift, and Digital Adjuster
5) Str8ryd - 3-rotor, Full Throttle Shift, and Digital Adjuster (NOT sure about this ABS issue...)
6) stickmantijuana - 3-rotor, Launch Control, Full throttle shift, and digital adjuster
7) hyperion - V8 LS1 ABS version, Launch Control, Full Throttle Shift, Digital Adjuster, and Datalogging
8) chillin_rx7_guy - 2-rotor, Launch Control, Full Throttle Shift, and Data Logging (FD RX-7)
9) rxcited2 - 2-rotor ABS version, Launch Control, Full Throttle Shift, Digital Adjuster, and Data Logging
10) neit_jnf - 2-rotor, Launch Control, Full Throttle shift (The unit can be programmed with a laptop right? the digital adjuster is just for instant adjustments and display and is not needed for operation?)
11) Ernie T - 2-rotor, Launch Control, Full Throttle Shift
12) warick101 - 2-rotor, Launch Control, digital adjuster, and Data Logging
13) mdude - 2-rotor ABS version, Launch Control, Digital Adjuster, Full Throttle Shift and Datalogging
14) Trout2 - 2-rotor, Launch Control, Digital Adjuster, Full Throttle Shift, & Data Logging
15) HiFD - 2-rotor, Launch Control, Digital Adjuster, Full Throttle Shift
16) aoc007 - 2-rotor ABS version, Launch Control, Full Throttle Shift, Digital Adjuster and Data Logging
17) rebo0t - honda 4cylinder ABS version, Std. Adjustable Traction Control unit, only Data Logging
18) sk8erpunk1983- 2-rotor, ABS version, Launch Control, Digital Adjuster, Full Throttle Shift and Data logging (Price Pending)
19) legendrx7 - Digital Adjuster only
20) Asleep - Digital Adjuster only (Price?)

Mdessouki

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I wouldn't mind seeing that. Already have a unit just no time to install it. Thanks Mike

FDNewbie

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A few quick updates...

1) The Digital Adjusters can be purchased separately (as part of the GB). So you guys are good

2) I'm told everything will be good to go on Monday, so I'd like to post up payment info then (once I confirm it's set), and get the ball rolling.

3) I've teamed up with Rice Racing whom - if you guys have read the other threads on the RaceLogic units - has done a lot of R&D and has come up with a tried & true *fully tested* program for the RaceLogic units. His RaceLogic mapping has been run to highest duty for long periods, and he has even tore down his own motor to verify no ill effects from extended use, backed up with knock readings, etc etc.

And not just that, but as part of the package, you'll not only get the mapping, but Rice Racing will also be providing extended support for this map and getting it running on your RaceLogic unit! It doesn't get better than that!

So needless to say, I believe this will be an EXCELLENT (and IMO *ESSENTIAL*) addition to anyone who's purchasing a RaceLogic unit, and will be installing it on a rotary. Those who decide to purchase the Rice Racing map will receive it along with their RaceLogic unit (ie shipped together).

Rice Racing will be on here shortly to post up his $0.02. For simplicity's sake, pricing info for everything (units, mapping etc) will be posted up all at once...but I can assure you, the price will be VERY attractive, esp. given that other shops charge HUNDREDS for tuning traction control systems

Thanks!
~Ramy
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reboot

I opt in for 4cylinder unit. From what I understand I am buying the 6cylinder unit with a 4cylinder map. Also for 2-rotor units they are the 6cylinder units with 2-rotor maps.

So my question is, if later on I would like to use my unit on a rotary, could I just buy Rice Racing's map and use the same unit on a 2-rotor?

RICE RACING

Ramy has contacted me and i will supply a rotary specific file *tested as detailed in other thread* for those interested to address any concerns people may have.

contact him for detials of this.

great unit, must buy I love mine

FDNewbie

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I've sent in the order list (tentative, of course) to confirm final pricing.

Not sure. I asked about that; I'll have an answer for ya shortly.

Thanks,
~Ramy

RICE RACING

Buy the 6cyl unit, it has more wires in the harness v's the 4 cyl which will have less (I doubt there is any board differences, where as when you go to 8 cyl there is from memory hence the price diff)

IF you go the 6 cyl you will have two extra wires from factory in the wiring harness and ONE of them you will need for your clutch switch you can use a small pin to un pick the tab and slide it out of the harness from injector #6 and use it for the full throttle shift.

Aditional out put PIN 21 (pink wire) **take out**
Move to PIN 20 **and run to the OEM clutch switch**

It will save you the hassel of needing to get wire and a special pin that fits in the harness,not to mention the crimping tool !

Even if you order full throttle shift model, it wont come with the wire in pin 20, hence the heads up tip to stick with the 6cyl version

FDNewbie

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Rice Racing is correct (no surprise). The answer I received from RaceLogic was "Yes the 4 cylinder unit will retrofit with wiring changes."

Just waiting on final pricing, and we'll get this GB taken care of immediately.

Thanks!
~Ramy

reboot

Ok, thanks for the response. I will opt for the 6cylinder model then. As soon as I see the price list I will decide if I want to add the other options on it. As I have the full throttle etc right now currently in my EMS. But depending on price I might just have it added on anyways incase in my next cars I can use it.

stickmantijuana

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rice, remember me?

anyhoo, is your tuned map specific to the 3rotor engine with specific components and rx7? i ask because i have an rx8 with 3rotor that has some internal modifications (using fd housings, lighter rotors, multi piece shaft, etc.)... would your map work?

i guess what i'm asking is... why do we need a map at all when all the racelogic unit is doing is allowing specific slip to the rear tires?

unless your map is just a launch map, which would make sense to me.

glenn

Im using Rice's map on my Racelogic unit and I must say its great!

I originally used the Racelogic supplied map, and while it worked ok, it was a lot harsher in the cut than Rice's map.

I race at hillclimbs and do 6000 rpm launches with the launch control and its been super reliable!

If any one has any questions drop me a PM

hyperion

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Ramy, I'd be interested in getting a tune/map support for my LS1 setup as well...I'd like to get a baseline that's been tailored to the LS1 motor.

-ch

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Hey Chris,

All the units come w/ a basemap for the corresponding motor. It's just that the rotary maps aren't as good, given that our setup is unique (injector setup and firing sequence, etc). That's why Rice Racing's map is better than the base map that comes w/ it.

For your unit, it should work flawlessly. They've been selling those for years. It'll be a baseline map however, not a custom map. The shop charges several hundred dollars for a custom map for your particular setup.

Oh and I know you were one of the guys that was anxious to get the GB rolling so you can get your unit and get setup ASAP. Just wanted to let ya know that everything's been confirmed, pricing has been finalized, and BlueRex will be posting up payment info ASAP. We're pretty much good to go

Thanks for your patience,
~Ramy