If you guys read this thread carefully, then you should also have come across the thread reference where these issues and other rotary specific issues are discussed. If you connect up and/or program the unit incorrectly, then you might not get complete fuel cut. The RL unit tries to alternate which injectors it cuts so as to balance the effect over all "pistons". Since the rotary uses two injectors on each rotor, those need to be cut at the same time in order to get a true fuel cut. With true fuel cut, there can be no combustion and therefore there is no danger of running lean at WOT or anywhere else.

The other thread suggested that the default RL settings (as shipped) do not provide perfect fuel cut for the rotary. This is because with the progressive and alternating cut scheme the RL uses, sometimes it would cut 1 of the 2 injectors on a given rotor. But with some twiddling, it can be done properly. It was also suggested that even with half of the fuel charge delivered, there still would be no combustion and therefore it would be safe, though you would be dumping unburned fuel in this case. Personally, I will not accept this and I am counting on being able to program it so that it cuts both injectors on each rotor, whenever it decides to engage.

I'm in!
 

I did search, but I only searched in the 3rd generation section. I guess I should have given the race car tech section a look, but it didn't occur to me.

sorry.

Well if you will stand behind the product 100% as you stated then I'll add myself to the list.

1) calculon - 3-rotor, Launch Control, Full Throttle Shift, and Digital Adjuster
2) Juiceh - 2-rotor, Launch Control, Full Throttle shift, Digital Adjuster, Datalogging, Wheel Speed Sensors.
3) Juiceh - 3-rotor, Launch Control, Full Throttle shift, Digital Adjuster, Datalogging.
4) gooroo - 2-rotor, Launch Control, Full Throttle Shift, and Digital Adjuster
5) Str8ryd - 3-rotor, Full Throttle Shift, and Digital Adjuster (NOT sure about this ABS issue...)
6) stickmantijuana - 3-rotor, Launch Control, Full throttle shift, and digital adjuster
7) hyperion - V8 LS1 ABS version, Launch Control, Full Throttle Shift, Digital Adjuster, and Datalogging
8) chillin_rx7_guy - 2-rotor, Launch Control, Full Throttle Shift, and Data Logging (FD RX-7)
9) rxcited2 - 2-rotor ABS version, Launch Control, Full Throttle Shift, Digital Adjuster, and Data Logging
10) neit_jnf - 2-rotor, Launch Control, Full Throttle shift (The unit can be programmed with a laptop right? the digital adjuster is just for instant adjustments and display and is not needed for operation?)
11) Ernie T - 2-rotor, Launch Control, Full Throttle Shift
12) warick101 - 2-rotor, Launch Control, digital adjuster, and Data Logging
13) mdude - 2-rotor ABS version, Launch Control, Digital Adjuster, Full Throttle Shift and Datalogging
14) Trout2 - 2-rotor, Launch Control, Digital Adjuster, Full Throttle Shift, & Data Logging
15) HiFD - 2-rotor, Launch Control, Digital Adjuster, Full Throttle Shift
16) aoc007 - 2-rotor ABS version, Launch Control, Full Throttle Shift, Digital Adjuster and Data Logging
17) rebo0t - honda 4cylinder ABS version, Std. Adjustable Traction Control unit, only Data Logging
18) sk8erpunk1983- 2-rotor, ABS version, Launch Control, Digital Adjuster, Full Throttle Shift and Data logging (Price Pending)

No worries man. Sometimes I just get a little annoyed when the answers are right there but ppl are still askin lol. Guess bein on the forum for a while wears ya a bit :p:

2 more people then... If you guys do some searching you may get an idea of how much discount off from the past group buys. Not to say its the same for this current one but at least you have an idea.

Don't intend to clutter the thread unnecessarily Ramy, just reposting for those too lazy to search for the answer (which was already provided. . . IN THIS THREAD)

Calculon, yea I know the answer was posted in this thread....but I figured pointing THAT out too woulda been overkill :p:

would it be possible for me to just get a digital adjuster to add to my existing setup?

I don't see why not... I'll have to ask though for sure. Plz add your name to the list for just that unit so I make sure to check on it.

1) calculon - 3-rotor, Launch Control, Full Throttle Shift, and Digital Adjuster
2) Juiceh - 2-rotor, Launch Control, Full Throttle shift, Digital Adjuster, Datalogging, Wheel Speed Sensors.
3) Juiceh - 3-rotor, Launch Control, Full Throttle shift, Digital Adjuster, Datalogging.
4) gooroo - 2-rotor, Launch Control, Full Throttle Shift, and Digital Adjuster
5) Str8ryd - 3-rotor, Full Throttle Shift, and Digital Adjuster (NOT sure about this ABS issue...)
6) stickmantijuana - 3-rotor, Launch Control, Full throttle shift, and digital adjuster
7) hyperion - V8 LS1 ABS version, Launch Control, Full Throttle Shift, Digital Adjuster, and Datalogging
8) chillin_rx7_guy - 2-rotor, Launch Control, Full Throttle Shift, and Data Logging (FD RX-7)
9) rxcited2 - 2-rotor ABS version, Launch Control, Full Throttle Shift, Digital Adjuster, and Data Logging
10) neit_jnf - 2-rotor, Launch Control, Full Throttle shift (The unit can be programmed with a laptop right? the digital adjuster is just for instant adjustments and display and is not needed for operation?)
11) Ernie T - 2-rotor, Launch Control, Full Throttle Shift
12) warick101 - 2-rotor, Launch Control, digital adjuster, and Data Logging
13) mdude - 2-rotor ABS version, Launch Control, Digital Adjuster, Full Throttle Shift and Datalogging
14) Trout2 - 2-rotor, Launch Control, Digital Adjuster, Full Throttle Shift, & Data Logging
15) HiFD - 2-rotor, Launch Control, Digital Adjuster, Full Throttle Shift
16) aoc007 - 2-rotor ABS version, Launch Control, Full Throttle Shift, Digital Adjuster and Data Logging
17) rebo0t - honda 4cylinder ABS version, Std. Adjustable Traction Control unit, only Data Logging
18) sk8erpunk1983- 2-rotor, ABS version, Launch Control, Digital Adjuster, Full Throttle Shift and Data logging (Price Pending)
19) legendrx7 - Digital Adjuster only

Thanks Ramy!

BTW, when the order goes through and everyone starts to receive their units. I do have several pictures that I took during my installation and would be happy to host them and provide a link. Just let me know.

I would like the digital adjuster as well, please.

Tony

Asleep, plz add your name to the list accordingly

1) calculon - 3-rotor, Launch Control, Full Throttle Shift, and Digital Adjuster
2) Juiceh - 2-rotor, Launch Control, Full Throttle shift, Digital Adjuster, Datalogging, Wheel Speed Sensors.
3) Juiceh - 3-rotor, Launch Control, Full Throttle shift, Digital Adjuster, Datalogging.
4) gooroo - 2-rotor, Launch Control, Full Throttle Shift, and Digital Adjuster
5) Str8ryd - 3-rotor, Full Throttle Shift, and Digital Adjuster (NOT sure about this ABS issue...)
6) stickmantijuana - 3-rotor, Launch Control, Full throttle shift, and digital adjuster
7) hyperion - V8 LS1 ABS version, Launch Control, Full Throttle Shift, Digital Adjuster, and Datalogging
8) chillin_rx7_guy - 2-rotor, Launch Control, Full Throttle Shift, and Data Logging (FD RX-7)
9) rxcited2 - 2-rotor ABS version, Launch Control, Full Throttle Shift, Digital Adjuster, and Data Logging
10) neit_jnf - 2-rotor, Launch Control, Full Throttle shift (The unit can be programmed with a laptop right? the digital adjuster is just for instant adjustments and display and is not needed for operation?)
11) Ernie T - 2-rotor, Launch Control, Full Throttle Shift
12) warick101 - 2-rotor, Launch Control, digital adjuster, and Data Logging
13) mdude - 2-rotor ABS version, Launch Control, Digital Adjuster, Full Throttle Shift and Datalogging
14) Trout2 - 2-rotor, Launch Control, Digital Adjuster, Full Throttle Shift, & Data Logging
15) HiFD - 2-rotor, Launch Control, Digital Adjuster, Full Throttle Shift
16) aoc007 - 2-rotor ABS version, Launch Control, Full Throttle Shift, Digital Adjuster and Data Logging
17) rebo0t - honda 4cylinder ABS version, Std. Adjustable Traction Control unit, only Data Logging
18) sk8erpunk1983- 2-rotor, ABS version, Launch Control, Digital Adjuster, Full Throttle Shift and Data logging (Price Pending)
19) legendrx7 - Digital Adjuster only
20) Asleep - Digital Adjuster only (Price?)

I wouldn't mind seeing that. Already have a unit just no time to install it. Thanks Mike

A few quick updates...

1) The Digital Adjusters can be purchased separately (as part of the GB). So you guys are good :)

2) I'm told everything will be good to go on Monday, so I'd like to post up payment info then (once I confirm it's set), and get the ball rolling.

3) I've teamed up with Rice Racing whom - if you guys have read the other threads on the RaceLogic units - has done a lot of R&D and has come up with a tried & true *fully tested* program for the RaceLogic units. His RaceLogic mapping has been run to highest duty for long periods, and he has even tore down his own motor to verify no ill effects from extended use, backed up with knock readings, etc etc.

And not just that, but as part of the package, you'll not only get the mapping, but Rice Racing will also be providing extended support for this map and getting it running on your RaceLogic unit! It doesn't get better than that!

So needless to say, I believe this will be an EXCELLENT (and IMO *ESSENTIAL*) addition to anyone who's purchasing a RaceLogic unit, and will be installing it on a rotary. Those who decide to purchase the Rice Racing map will receive it along with their RaceLogic unit (ie shipped together).

Rice Racing will be on here shortly to post up his $0.02. For simplicity's sake, pricing info for everything (units, mapping etc) will be posted up all at once...but I can assure you, the price will be VERY attractive, esp. given that other shops charge HUNDREDS for tuning traction control systems ;)

Thanks!
~Ramy
FDNewbie Imports

I opt in for 4cylinder unit. From what I understand I am buying the 6cylinder unit with a 4cylinder map. Also for 2-rotor units they are the 6cylinder units with 2-rotor maps.

So my question is, if later on I would like to use my unit on a rotary, could I just buy Rice Racing's map and use the same unit on a 2-rotor?

Ramy has contacted me and i will supply a rotary specific file *tested as detailed in other thread* for those interested to address any concerns people may have.

contact him for detials of this.

great unit, must buy :) :) :) I love mine

I've sent in the order list (tentative, of course) to confirm final pricing.

Not sure. I asked about that; I'll have an answer for ya shortly.

Thanks,
~Ramy

Buy the 6cyl unit, it has more wires in the harness v's the 4 cyl which will have less (I doubt there is any board differences, where as when you go to 8 cyl there is from memory hence the price diff)

IF you go the 6 cyl you will have two extra wires from factory in the wiring harness and ONE of them you will need for your clutch switch ;) you can use a small pin to un pick the tab and slide it out of the harness from injector #6 and use it for the full throttle shift.

Aditional out put PIN 21 (pink wire) **take out**
Move to PIN 20 **and run to the OEM clutch switch**

It will save you the hassel of needing to get wire and a special pin that fits in the harness,not to mention the crimping tool !

Even if you order full throttle shift model, it wont come with the wire in pin 20, hence the heads up tip to stick with the 6cyl version ;)

Rice Racing is correct (no surprise). The answer I received from RaceLogic was "Yes the 4 cylinder unit will retrofit with wiring changes."

Just waiting on final pricing, and we'll get this GB taken care of immediately.

Thanks!
~Ramy

Ok, thanks for the response. I will opt for the 6cylinder model then. As soon as I see the price list I will decide if I want to add the other options on it. As I have the full throttle etc right now currently in my EMS. But depending on price I might just have it added on anyways incase in my next cars I can use it.

rice, remember me? :)

anyhoo, is your tuned map specific to the 3rotor engine with specific components and rx7? i ask because i have an rx8 with 3rotor that has some internal modifications (using fd housings, lighter rotors, multi piece shaft, etc.)... would your map work?

i guess what i'm asking is... why do we need a map at all when all the racelogic unit is doing is allowing specific slip to the rear tires?

unless your map is just a launch map, which would make sense to me.

Im using Rice's map on my Racelogic unit and I must say its great!

I originally used the Racelogic supplied map, and while it worked ok, it was a lot harsher in the cut than Rice's map.

I race at hillclimbs and do 6000 rpm launches with the launch control and its been super reliable!

If any one has any questions drop me a PM :)

Ramy, I'd be interested in getting a tune/map support for my LS1 setup as well...I'd like to get a baseline that's been tailored to the LS1 motor.

-ch

Hey Chris,

All the units come w/ a basemap for the corresponding motor. It's just that the rotary maps aren't as good, given that our setup is unique (injector setup and firing sequence, etc). That's why Rice Racing's map is better than the base map that comes w/ it.

For your unit, it should work flawlessly. They've been selling those for years. It'll be a baseline map however, not a custom map. The shop charges several hundred dollars for a custom map for your particular setup.

Oh and I know you were one of the guys that was anxious to get the GB rolling so you can get your unit and get setup ASAP. Just wanted to let ya know that everything's been confirmed, pricing has been finalized, and BlueRex will be posting up payment info ASAP. We're pretty much good to go :)

Thanks for your patience,
~Ramy

If you wish to participate in the GB please include the following information with your payment (Notes section of paypal, or a physical note with your Money Order/Cashiers Check):

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Payment info: I'll accept Cashiers Check, Money Order, and Paypal. Paypal is preferred since it is instant and safe. ***Please be aware, I will not be responsible for lost or stolen MO/CC.***

PRICES FOR MONEY ORDER/CASHIERS CHECK

Main RaceLogic Traction Unit:
6 Cylinder Units (2-rotor, 3-rotor, and 4 Cylinder Applications)
Main RaceLogic TC Unit w/ Analog Controller (RLTC6AL): $1075 (£595/$1207 List Price) SHIPPED
Main RaceLogic TC Unit w/ Digital Controller (RLTC6DIA): $1250 (£695/$1410 List Price) SHIPPED

8 Cylinder Applications
Main RaceLogic TC Unit w/ Analog Controller (RLTC8ALD): $1275 (£725/$1462 List Price) SHIPPED
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Add-Ons:
Digital Controller (TCDIA): $335 (£180/$365 List) SHIPPED
Wheel Speed Sensors Set (TCWSSSET): $480 (£250/$507 List)
RiceRacing Programming: $125

PRICES FOR PAYPAL ECHECK

Main RaceLogic Traction Unit:
6 Cylinder Units (2-rotor, 3-rotor, and 4 Cylinder Applications)
Main RaceLogic TC Unit w/ Analog Controller (RLTC6AL): $1075 (£595/$1207 List Price) SHIPPED
Main RaceLogic TC Unit w/ Digital Controller (RLTC6DIA): $1250 (£695/$1410 List Price) SHIPPED

8 Cylinder Applications
Main RaceLogic TC Unit w/ Analog Controller (RLTC8ALD): $1275 (£725/$1462 List Price) SHIPPED
Main RaceLogic TC Unit w/ Digital Controller (RLTC8DIA): $1450 (£850/$1715 List Price) SHIPPED

Add-Ons:
Digital Controller (TCDIA): $335 (£180/$365 List) SHIPPED
Wheel Speed Sensors Set (TCWSSSET): $480 (£250/$507 List)
RiceRacing Programming: $125
***$5 Echeck fee applicable to all Echeck orders***

PRICES FOR PAYPAL INSTANT TRANSFER

Main RaceLogic Traction Unit:
6 Cylinder Units (2-rotor, 3-rotor, and 4 Cylinder Applications)
Main RaceLogic TC Unit w/ Analog Controller (RLTC6AL): $1114 (£595/$1207 List Price) SHIPPED
Main RaceLogic TC Unit w/ Digital Controller (RLTC6DIA): $1296 (£695/$1410 List Price) SHIPPED

8 Cylinder Applications
Main RaceLogic TC Unit w/ Analog Controller (RLTC8ALD): $1315 (£725/$1462 List Price) SHIPPED
Main RaceLogic TC Unit w/ Digital Controller (RLTC8DIA): $1495 (£850/$1715 List Price) SHIPPED

Add-Ons:
Digital Controller (TCDIA): $347 (£180/$365 List) SHIPPED
Wheel Speed Sensors Set (TCWSSSET): $497 (£250/$507 List)
RiceRacing Programming: $130

+ Please note that pricing is based on all RL units already including the Launch Control & Datalogging
++ Full Throttle Shift is free (you just add a wire)

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***EDIT: PLEASE NOTE THAT PRICING HAS BEEN EDITED TO INCLUDE A $15 FLAT FEE FOR SHIPPING***

Options options
 

Nevermind, read the fine print!!

Uh, but I am still confused - do you need to purchase the main unit with digital controller and the add-on digital controller too?

Edit: Looks like based on your part numbers it is included. So I guess some folks might be buying it separate to add to an existing unit?

So data loggging, full throttle shift, and launch control are incuded with all units? SWEEET!!

LOL. I'll explain yet again...

1) All RL units come with full throttle shift, launch control, and datalogging included. No additional charge. That's HUGE, because typically those are $200+ add-ons.

2) Pick the main RL unit based on whether or not you want the digital or analog controller. I also listed the price of the digital controller as a separate add-on because a few guys already own RL units, and wanted to buy JUST the digital controllers. So that's for those 2 - 3 guys ONLY...not the vast majority of ya.

Everything clear? ;)

~Ramy

Clear as mud - inside my brain that is. This is a very sweet deal. Thanks Ramy!!

My pleasure :)

Ramy, thanks for the clarification on the base map for the LS1. But...

Don't see the pricing for the V8 unit!!!!

:(

-ch

Chris, I'll get back to ya ASAP. Wanna double check somethin (I was under the impression I'd be getting all the units for the same price)

Also, everyone please note THE PRICES ABOVE HAVE BEEN ADJUSTED TO INCLUDE THE $15 FLAT FEE TO COVER SHIPPING.

E-check sent.

Can we still opt in on this if we were not part of the original GB list?

Of course :) That's why the deadline's extended, as to give the maximum amount of ppl the ability to take use of this opportunity as possible :)

Awesome, I'll jump in as soon as my car is tuned next weekend.. just in case I need the money for something.. else... after tuning.. :)

:rofl: #1 sign you own a rotary...:lol:

I also need a V8 unit and a 6Cyl unit for my 4Cyl.

I'll post up for sure about the V8 unit pricing in a few, k? Just waiting to hear back for sure.

so let me get this straight.

$1250 paid by e-check (with e-check fee included) sent to payments@fdnewbieimports.com

this will work with my 20b? i don't know whether the listed is for the 13b or 20b or we both use same unit.. just wanted to be clear.

thanks!

Salam Ramy,

Got a few questions for ya:


1- Can I take care of payment on Sunday with the other one I owe you? (BTW: Received the hood! That freight company really stinks though. Customer service was just horrible. Thanks a LOT though. :))


2- Will "RiceRacing" be making a map for us 3-rotor guys? If so, I'd like to purchase one as well.

3- Is there a different unit we need to purchase for the 3-rotor setup or will the listed one above work? Just tryin' to clarify...


Thanks in Advance,

Rizwan

echeck sent for Digital Adjuster and RICE RACING programming.

Ramy, can I go ahead and get the programming asap instead of waiting for the digital adjuster to show up to get it?

Installation help
 

I've had a couple of requests for the pictures I took. So I have zipped them all together and did an excel spreadsheet with a brief description of each picture. This is by no means a full installation write up but instead should be used as a supplement to the Racelogic install manual and the info posted by StrikeRx7 in the linked thread in my spreadsheet.

the spreadsheet and pictures all zipped up right here for download:

http://arscca.org/jpgs/Racelogic%20install.zip

hope this helps some of you out :)

***THE PAYMENT INFO POST HAS BEEN MODIFIED TO INCLUDE PRICING FOR THE 8 CYLINDER UNITS***

Chris, the payment info post (above) has been updated to include the 8-cylinder application price list. That actually looks to be the greatest savings (provided you use check/e-check), even though I'm prob only buying ONE lol.

Wassalam bro :)

Jason's handling the GB payments, so I'd rather you take care of that payment with him, through one of the 3 methods outlined above. Involves a lot less work and keeps things simple.

I spoke with him about this early on, and if there are enough individuals who are interested in it (more than just one or two), he'll do it. I'm pretty sure we'll have at least 3 ppl getting it though ;)

I edited the Payment Info post to clarify that...everyone is getting the 6 Cylinder units (2 rotors, 3 rotors, and 4 cylinders), unless you're pushing a V8 like Chris ;)

My pleasure :)

Probably. Won't be within the next few days, but I'm sure we can get it to you well before the RL units ship out (which will be the end of the month). Sound good?

Oh and thanks for posting up the install info! :bigthumb:

Thanks!
~Ramy

OK, now I am really confused. You have ABS in your FD, but you needed the wheel speed sensors? I thought the FD guys with ABS wouldn't need the wheel speed sensors and that they were only necessary in a car that isn't equipped with abs?


Ramy, is the V8 unit also capable of running a 2 or 3 rotor? You may want to let people know if it is, that way if they ever plan to have a v8 swap in the future they can get the V8 unit now and run it on their rotary till they swap.

On principle, I refuse to support or aid in such horrible thoughts :p:

V8 vs. V6 Version
 

I have a question about the cut maps for the 6 versus the 8 version. Is it true that both units have a 20 count injector cut sequence programming? If the 8 had a longer sequence, it might provide for more flexibility in fitting two or three rotor cut sequences in smoothly. Is this a question I should raise with RL directly myself?

Yes, I have ABS in my FD. No, I did not have to buy, nor did I buy wheelspeed sensors. Any reference I made to wheelspeed sensors would have been to the wires that you have to tap into on the FD's ABS ecu wire harness, each wire representing the connection to each wheelspeed sensor.

Sounds good, and no prob! :)

PAID, V8 style!

-ch