20bdreams

guys that like cars and building cars should know that it dosnt come cheap but if your smart you can save your self some $$$. not only that but rotary people should especially know that. it seems that people are under the impression that since were in "japan" all the parts you could ever want to build your dream car would be sold at 100yen stores or they can just buy an already made car for less than 4k and whoop anyones ***. anyway what im getting at is that i have a 3rotor in an 89 FC up and running that i would like to sell and only got offered 2k !!!!! im mean i am only selling the engine and everything needed to make it run but people think that since its only an engine i shouldnt have the ***** to even ask for a price close to what i did. does anyone know how much a 3rotor swap would run you in the states !!!!!!! average of 15k easy...........c'mon !!! i didnt even ask for half of that. not only that but do you know how fast you can resell a 3 rotor and for how much..........................anyway i just felt the need to get this off my chest, i felt a little insulted.

Snack

your car sux . People are like that but just laugh and say **** off

BigWillieStyles

i will give you 2500!

Mate why dont you ship it home, I would love that car!

Circuit Theory

iTrader: (52)

you are dreaming if you think you can sell that set up for 15k in the States!!!
On top of that in Japan anyone can come across a 20b. So if you are trying to sell a non running FC with the parts for a 20b to run correctly in Japan then I would say the most you will be able to get is 400,000 yen maybe 500,000 if you are lucky. If you want to get a decent penny for it then you should get it running and then you can sell it for a bit more but it still wont sell for more than 700,000 to 800,000 yen. They are not cheap, you are greedy hahaha! Used FC`s not running sell for abou 500-700 USD. Then a 20b sells for about 2000 max if it is a used engine.

20bdreams

to get your hands on any decent 20b in the states its gonna run you an average of 4k STOCK...and they will ALL be used ,not only that but what takes up most of your money is the custom stuff that you gotta do to make the conversion work which i was offering already done for the person......thats why shops charge about 10-15k in the states. yeah a non running FC is gonna run you a few hundred but that will be one with a stock or mildly modified blown engine if it even comes with an engine......look around in the forums at people who have done this conversion to ANY rx7 and add it up........ anyway i wasnt even asking for close to 10k. tell me were i can just go and get my hands on some 20b's sitting around some were and i'll pick a few up.........not going to happen anywere in the world EVEN JAPAN.........if it were so easy and cheap dont you think more poeple would be doing these swaps instead of building up 2 rotors............also in the states EVERYTHING is over priced, you cant even get your hands on a non running FD for less than 8-10k.........tell me how greedy i am compared to most mechanics that would charge you for just a rebuild and port job on your 13b and then we can caompare prices.

Archie

iTrader: (-1)

O, I miss "The Rock". Miss Ajah flats, Naha, Kokisai street, Gate 2, Jusco.......

Most people don't know what it really is. Hold out or ship that bitch 'household goods' "Ugh, it's a computer desk.........................................."

Circuit Theory

iTrader: (52)

Still waiting for you to say how much you tried to sell it for.

20bdreams

if you really must know i was asking 7k with everything except the car (shell ) it self. the car is a huge peice and will never ever be street legal no matter how much money you pay someone...........if you think this price i REDICULOUS you should check out the 20b forums on this site and see for yourself.......theres actually a great post going on rite now tittled "20b swap" and alot of knowledgable people are throughing out some HUGE !!! $$$ figures when it comes to what it would cost to complete this swap. not only that but they also have a link to a great 20b swap documentary.........again NOT CHEAP TO COMPLETE !!!! anyway, if you really know what it takes to make and maintain a great rotary machine then you will know that money plays a HUGE factor no matter if you are going 13b or 20b and even 12a's for all its worth.......besides all of this i really am not impressed with the "rotary scene" here on okinawa. most people dont even know what the first gen is or looks like. but dont put words into my mouth, i never said that okinawa dosnt have ANY people that dont know about this stuff, i have heard of a few guys running some bad *** 7's.......anyway, bottom line is that what i am selling for 7k is a steal anywere.......

20bdreams

ok, so you find a non running FC then get a 20b for 2000 and thats it huh...........so in total about 2500-2700 to do this conversion....not pointing fingures but it dosnt sound like you really know what your talking about..........but if i am wrong then please o please tell me cause you can make me a rich rich man....and if it only costs that to do this conversion then its gotta be almost free to get a rotary rebuilt, ported, maybe some 3mm apexs if you wanna get some good boost.

Circuit Theory

iTrader: (52)

20bdreams seems like a fitting screen name...
Your right I have no idea what I am talking about.

Old Timer

My first time BC street.................

Archie

iTrader: (-1)

^Wholy ****, NOW I MISS OKI!!!!!!!!!!!

20bdreams

if you were to take about 30min and search through the 20b forum section of this site you would easily see the numbers i am talking about. 13b's and 20b's although both rotary they are a whole world apart. you can take a 13b and drop it into almost anything, but you can barely drop a 20b into anything else but another cosmo without having to weld and refab almost everything needed to make it run again and thats were the money goes. tell me anyway, how many 20bs HAVE you actually seen not just here but anywhere. as much as people want to be fast dont you think that this would be a very common swap since you say that these are soo cheap and readily available

Circuit Theory

iTrader: (52)

I may be taking a bad approach at what my main issue is. My main point is that the Japanese are not into the 20b swap as much as the stateside and aussie guys are. The guys that are interested in doing 20b swaps here in Japan will source their own engine or rebuild it themselves. There are not very many guys in Japan that do their own work or have space or the tools to do a swap. So when you are trying to sell your engine the only people that will be interested in it most likely will be people that have the resources to get what you have for considerably cheaper. There is also the issue of buying something from a foriegner in Japan that is another reason why you are probably not having much luck.

In regards to me searching for 30 mins in the 20b section, well that would just be a huge waste of time since those prices will be US prices but you are trying to sell the engine in Okinawa which means you need to realize that the US prices have shipping tacked on to them as well as the whole WOW factor of a 20b in the states. And as far as my experience with 20b`s I used to sell them back when i lived in California when I was able to get them for 900 to 1200 USD. Than all you 20b dreamers started competing for them and the prices inflated and it was no longer very profitable. So good luck on your sale, sorry to hear it will not be used in your own car.

20bdreams

well i may have not made the point clear to begin with, but i was trying to sell it to people either leaving soon or with plans on taking stuff from here back to the states. now that it seems like we are on the same page on actual prices for things like this in the states i dont think that my asking price was out of this world. yes i do understand that its a supply and demand issue which dictates the price for this conversion but thats how the world in general is. the reason why i dont take it back with me is because although i am leaving soon it wont be to the states so theres no point for me to keep it. i never intended for anyone to try and start a long term project here on okinawa because with a project like this it would never get done by the time you have to leave the island "for most of us." bottom line is that yes it is a rediclulously priced conversion ESPECIALLY if you have someone do it for you, but i have everything needed for a parts for parts drop in and still got offered crap. if someone really wanted to go wild in the states with a costum rotary car then my asking price would have saved then sooo much $$$$$$. do you agree?

Rutt

Where did you get this setup? I know all of the people in Okinawa who had 20B's in an FC. 20B in an FC is SIMPLE when compared to a 20B in an FD. People are not offering much money because they can probably get the setup cheaper if they look a little harder.

At onetime (4) 20B's were sitting in the same area as my Honduh and I knew where to find (6) more on Oki. I'm pretty sure that I have seen more 20B's than you.

If you are looking to make a huge profit then your best bet is find a buyer in the US and then deal with the shipping issues!

Circuit Theory

iTrader: (52)

I do agree with you now that you helped me understand what or who you were trying to sell to. The price you are asking is quite reasonable for people stateside and or for people going back soon since I hear you guys get killer shipping rates.
To anyone else reading this post: This is a good deal for those of you stateside that want to do this swap since he says he has everything required for the swap!

Good luck on the sale!

Jerk_Racer

20B in a FC on Oki? Where have you been trying to sell this?

One point that'll make sure it never sells - is the 20B on the title or not. Either you did it or you didn't. That'll dictate a lot of the price if anybody even wants to even think about buying it.

TokyoRaider

Okinawa...i miss the islands

REH

Holy crap! I remember that building with the dragons. I think the store was called East & West gift store. What's that boulevard called? Nakanamachi? It's the road that Kubasaki high, A&W and McDonalds is on. The building is in the area of Champ and Apple House I think.