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Old 04-18-06, 05:01 AM
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My JCI runs out pretty quick on a car I bought recently. I guess previous owners were Ranzo ->XXX-> Chuck (moved) -> yokotafd ("car is too small") -> me. So, maybe y'all are familiar with the car now. Ranzo is the last to do the JCI at which time I'm told the car was mostly stock. Now has a stock engine, 2nd gen turbo, power FC, full exhaust. Saying that, I guess my main concern for passing JCI is the emissions requirement.....as from previous experience the sniffer is never too fond of the rotary.

Chuck gave me an airpump- i'll have to figure out something for the lines, I'm working on getting a datalogit to lean those areas out a bit, my wideband which I conveniently left at home where it was apparently quickly covered with crap, and some sort of cat.

I'm making a post in hope that y'all might able to further educate me on how strict the requirements are to pass.....and any suggestions so I can make sure it only gets tagged for minor discrepancies, if any.

Also wondering if they're looking more visually or mechanically. i.e. can I pass with a metallic substrate cat without having an airpump bolted up, etc.

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Old 04-20-06, 08:35 AM
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no info? nothing sketchy....just trying to find out the requirements for JCI.
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While you may be able to pass emissions with no airpump, you will not pass the visual. In oki it is a good idea to get the engine steam cleaned the headlights aligned and the front side slip tested as they are the most common causes for failure. In Oki we can take it to the car care center and have those three things done at once for ~$30. If I were you I would get with some people around Yokota, because I have heard they aren't nearly as strict/retarded as they are here.
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In yokosuka they were laxed for the most part but were sticklers for rotary air pumps... Just depends who does the inspection. I would try leaning it out and going without the pump and if you fail then dick with it. That is an expensive nickle and dime mess starting from scratch trying to reinstall an air pump.
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yup my jci is up next month. the inspection station on foster I have never passed 1st time.
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The biggest problem I'm running into is getting stuff to an APO address. People from the states want to hand over the stuff, but getting it shipped that way is sometimes difficult. Same deal with getting the datalogit - the guy doesn't want to use anything but DHL and I don't have a physical address.

I WOULD lean it out, but I have no datalogit and I have seen 2 other FDs around here, but have never seen any of them move from the same parking spot....and they look bone stock. The map in the car sucks........it needs it.
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What happens if you fail?? I've been hearing lots of horror stories lately....
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Ok..

JCI isnt skokan. JCI is for us very special americans mostly called Japanese compusary Insurance--Blow me im tired.

Skokan== inspection.

Ok airpump. YOU CAN MODIFY ALMOST ANY SHOKAN. To do this is simple. You buy your metal-cat or whatever company. Complete with the paperwork from the company that should say it will work for a FC. Then take your car to the base if you need to do the base inspection too, and take the paperwork and say your doing a modified skokan for airpumpless catalizer, after they pass you you take it to the land-office and proceed threw the *****, once you get to the inspection guy "IF HE NOTICES" tell him you want to do a modified shokan since you have an airpumpless catalizer, this will take your car to a different inspection area to test exhaust gases to make sure it will pass, make sure you give him the paperwork from the company you bought it from though, it will make it quicker and less painful.

Problems?
Base sometimes thinks they are ALL mighty---They are not the inspection office they are only PRE-inspection----INVOLVING ONLY SAFETY (which doesnt concern your catalizer or even engine parts)!! And if they dont like you reminding them of that, bring your car down here and I will help you out maybe......

Failing base inspection---Yokota I dont know but Zama and Atsugi re-inspection is FREE.

Failing the land office or Shokan office---About $10 for re-inspection if you come the next day or any day after I think its for like that month. ANYWAY I usually come back the same day a few hours later and do it again 99% of the time you get a different guy and that might get you passed or he or she might be cooler. If they dont want you to pass you wont pass, dont argue just say ok and sound interested in the BULLSHIT they are feeding you TRUST ME, 12hrs of doing I think 14 times over there since I have always had to cars it will work.

There should be no reason not to pass you though, if you do the above I mentioned. If you decide to go threw a lot of BS and put the old system on look on Yahoo for parts, it will all cost you more then the metacat.

When I did my FD I had no airpump system, airpumpless catalizer, wide rear fenders, wide front fenders and no rear seat. YES all these are skokan modifications and all just as easy as the next. The only one that can be a little bit of a pain is motor swaps, like an RB-26 in a FC hehe

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UPDATE:

I got a metallic cat from SMB and had them include paperwork - basically a letter stating how this cat has passed all EPA and CARB testing as well as european/austrailian requirements. It states on the attached paperwork that "oxidation" is not required, but the model I have still has the bung installed.

The first time at the base garage it failed for:

worn brake pads (which still ended up having lots of life left when I inspected for install of the new ones)
water in tail light (drained water out, let sun shine)
burnt out tail light bulb (easy)
tie rod end boot torn (put on new boot)
no air pump or line
no catalyzer

I tried to explain with the paperwork, but the "I race my car...no, I really race my car - like formula D...I know what I'm talking about" guy and his friends say that my paperwork isn't good enough. This is said even though the car passes their emissions requirements. I think the results were 1.7% CO, 746 HC. I have no idea what the standard is, but they said plainly that it passed.

I fixed all that crap - reinspection is indeed free.
They decided that I did now have a cat since I ran the air pump line to the manifold. However, they still wrote up that there was no airpump. I talked to a few people who told me you can change it on the title at the land office to pass as an airpumpless car. You have to do the same thing if you, say, converted from 4 seats to 2, auto tranny to manual, etc. They do lots of measurements, blah blah blah......you know how meticulous the Japanese are.

I took the car to my insurance company, Kelly & Kelly, which will take the car down to the land office. They're said to be the best as they're more likely to discuss any issues with the inspector, better service, etc. I told them about the possible need to change the title as a head's up. Since the cat is bright shiny stainless they decided it would be a good idea to check and see what the story is on that first.

BAD NEWS

You CAN change the title to test without an airpump. However, you have to have the land office do an emissions test which you get 3 tries at. It costs 191,000Y, or close to $1800. If you fail all 3 times, you lose the money.

I've been told by more than one person that owns or has owned a rotary that at the land office they're pretty big sticklers for opening up the hood and making sure you have an airpump if you have a rotary engine.


SO....I guess I'll be finding a stock cat and putting the air pump back on. Funny that the hardest part of all that will probably be finding the right size belt...

Also, if you fail shaken or your JCI expires you can get temp tags from the land office for 1000Y and they're good for 5 days.

P.S. this sucks.
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wow they are making you homolagate your car to use the pumpless cat... Something is wrong. Go back to the place where you got your pumpless cat and see if they can help you.

BTW the land office doesnt do that test that is a civilian operation, right next to yakota. I know I've failed it.

That is total BS! Either the people that sold you that very expensive cat or the land office is facin with you.
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Welcome to Japan.

Yokota cant be anymore special then any other base down here. All the base inspectors want to play GOD and dont know ****!!!!!

Personally I would take it to the land office and tell the problem. Also that you want the airpumpless CAT anotated on your shoken. 191,000Y shokan LOL!!! Thats for something totally different. As to say if you were to put a ferrari engine in your car then you would have to do this. NO FOR A ******* AIRPUMPLESS CAT. It will cost your about 20,000-30000 yen since you may have to change the car to a 300plate, that part im not sure since I never did it on a 500 plate.


""""They decided that I did now have a cat since I ran the air pump line to the manifold. However, they still wrote up that there was no airpump. I talked to a few people who told me you can change it on the title at the land office to pass as an airpumpless car. You have to do the same thing if you, say, converted from 4 seats to 2, auto tranny to manual, etc. They do lots of measurements, blah blah blah......you know how meticulous the Japanese are.""""" Yes this is very true. Its all about information purposes and dont not cost that much, and with 300 plates usually is FREE!!!!

If you fail shoken you dont need TEMP tags, you only need them if the car shoken expires! I hope you didnt wait till the last minute like a lot of people do, they will **** with you more then.

Let me get this straight questions below..

1. You have gone and passed the base inspection, YES OR NO?

2. You have gone to the land office on this matter after passing the base inspection YES OR NO?
3. What did the land office say to do exactly? Did you show the paperwork that goes with the catalizer which will have a Company inspection paper and stamp to the land office people YES OR NO?
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My Shoken is expired.

I passed the base inspection with them still writing up in the emissions equipment section that there is no air pump.

I talked to my insurance company (which is a bunch of women who speak both japanese and english and deal with many people from the base) and they took the paperwork that the cat company gave to me with my title to the land office to see what they would say. They called me back saying that it would cost that ridiculous 191,000Y to change the title to no air pump. From talking to them before they went down there, the ladies don't know what the hell this air pump is or does.

The cat is from SMB (special men's business) in Australia. They basically sent a letter and some paperwork on the cat. I'll try to scan that to show y'all later.

I'm tired of this ****.

Right now I'm waiting for the holiday to be over so I can simply get the stupid belt for the air pump. I found a guy on base who has a stock cat. I have an ACV I can put on. Then, the issue is 1. faking the plumbing, 2. finding hose.
I hate how parts are bought and sold here.......where are all the parts stores? I never thought it'd be so hard to get some heater hose and a fan belt.

All of this just makes me want to say screw it.....and buy a $500 car to last til it runs out of JCI and then junk it. Do y'all really put your cars back to near stock every 2 years for inspection??? What the hell do you do for a big turbo when your air pump won't fit?? The previous owner of my car put a 2nd gen turbo on my engine.....the air pump fits (as long as the belt isn't too short). Sometimes I wonder why I'm bothering with the car at all??? I pretty much take the train everywhere. OHHH ya.....those beautiful twisty roads west in the mountains.....and the occassional track day (if I could only read japanese to know when they are!!!!).

p.s. sorry for the consistently long posts
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Im sure your insurance company is AIU which blows donkey turds.

Also the only reason it might cost that much is since the CAT isnt from Japan, so they are going to try to run you threw the ringer with it.

Yeah I can understand the frustration, too bad your not down here man or I wasnt up there. I have gotten alot of cars threw shokan. Still if you go there and dont pass sound interested in what they say, and without getting mad explain your situation and the item you have purchased (there will be someone at the land office that speaks english) and tell them it does not require an airpump, its an airpumpless CAT. Since the CATs in Japan are all in Japanese and have certifications here thats why your having a hard time.

If you fail, go back the same day before lunch, then after lunch and then before they close. Show them you wont give up and someone will also pass you because they are sick of looking at you. I know it sounds dumb, but be dumb or pay out the ***!

Good luck and let us know.

P.S. Its always harder to get it threw shokan after expiring then if you just renew it. They dont know what or when the last time it was shokaned. Its on the paper but they dont care to look.
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Omg

WOW!! First of all...JCI is the gayest **** ever.
Second: I have an expired JCI FC (something I could'nt help) which I am currently pushing through this same ****. My title say's (Air pumpless & converted to 2 seater). I took the car to on base garage and they failed me for all kinds of stuff. Most are easy to fix but these are the BS ones:

-No Air Pump
-Hood Pins without the factory hood latch----I hate this one the most
-wastegate cannot dump into atmosphere, needs to recirculate into exhaust

The shop I bought my FC from has a JCI guru who can JCI a 9 sec. Bridgeport FD plus other cars. I faxed him the Base inspection FAIL paperwork and he called the Base Garage him self. He explained to them that this was all BS. The people there told him the same **** but he got them to agree to sign off on my airpump and hoodp pins. This guy also called the Tama Land Office to talk to them about their so called "STRICT" rules that shouldn't differ from any other land office bcuz it is Japanese law. But I guess you can have those bastards who don't want to pass **** so they write up everything.

So here I am today. I am going to put block off plates on the exaust dumps on my wastegate and fix the little writeups. Then I am going to take the car to the land office and try to pass it. If I can't then I will have to fork over the $ to "Mr. Yakuza of JCI" and get him to do his magic and pass the car. He said he will come pick the car up and take care of everything. Even take it to the BX Garage. I think it will cost me about $300 extra. Thing that I don't get is that this car has passed twice with the same mods on it, I'm pretty sure that they are more easy on the Local Japanese.

I'll be damned if going to put that air pump back on when my title says it's legally changed.

Yokota looks as though its the hardest base to JCI a car. I don't want to knock the Base Garage but it seems sometimes as though thier boss is telling them to write up everything to get more cash. All the oldschool people said that the BX Garage used to be the place to go. I know sometimes they are trying to lookout for people by telling them that IT WILL NOT PASS!! But I think they could help out more by passing the car and just telling us the "**** that might fail downtown". Because we need to pass the base inspection to register our cars on Yokota...which is illegal bcuz they are saying you HAVE to spend your money at AFFES or your screwed. You cannot force people to spend their money anywhere when they have the same inspection off base.

I'm writing my congressman !!!!!!! Damned JCI LOL
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Come to Zama or Atsugi and I will get you threw for a FEE!

You guys have some problems up there.

Why dont you tell the **** heads at the base garage their inspection is for SAFETY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!! Not for what they think a car should and shouldnt have.
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I guess here at Yokota the base garage is supposed to be the first and final inspection. The thing is that the land office can re-inspect at any time and they most always re-inspect a "Y" plate if the car looks as though it was modded at all. I talked to the base garage a lot about this issue and they helped a lot but they said that we get discriminated against a lot at the land office here. They said that the land office has a BIG red button on the inspection lines. If you fail for something and you try to argue at all they push the button and some big sound comes, garage doors close down and the inspectors all leave and go inside the building. Then they make you wait 15 minutes while you **** off everyone else in line because you had to argue. I guess they kind of do this to make you feel like an *** in front of everyone else.
UPDATE: I took my car in today to the BX garage and they passed it. They complimented on some of the quick fixes I did for the write ups even! They said good luck when I go downtown bcuz I'm trying to go "pumpless".
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Big red button HAHAHA

Just as I told the thread starter, in Japan dont argue, just sound interested and bring it right back.

Glad you made it threw ok, just takes a little finesse
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I passed!!!!!!!!!!! Hell Yeah!!!! It wasn't as bad as the BX garage said. One guy did have to ask his buddy if my "no pump" **** and hood pins were ok but other than that it was good.

This is how it went: Went to many buildings and got many expensive papers, was told to drive into inspection line "0" out of 5, .....Line 0 is the Foriegner line. I stopped in front of bay door. They checked under hood for 2 seconds. Then did a 4,500 rpm sound check. Then they measured the width and height of car. Then I drove in and got it weighted. It was 10lbs over bcuz of my tool box and jack. No prob. Then they started stamping the hell out of everything. The guy asked his co-worker if my "no-pump" title and hood pins were good. His co-worker grabbed the papers, touched my hood pins, and then stamped some more. Drove out to get my plates and I was done! They didn't even check safety **** ie;..lights, horn, etc...
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yippy...... Easy huh?
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Ya, sounds plenty easy with a "no pump" title. I don't have one of those.

That's what they were telling me would be a ridiculous price for. I just got back from the states. I guess I'll be putting the pump back on. I'm not going to drop $2k for the "no pump" title.

IIRC, Neil, you said the guy who had the car before you got the title changed? Ask your buddy at work if that price they gave me to switch it over sounds right or not. doomo
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