RETed

And you've overlooked how well the other manufacturers have embraced the rotary engine as an important application in their line-up...

Haltech is one of the more famous stand-alone EMS brands that integrate functions of the Mazda 13B into their software.

Microtech have also followed suite.

Electromotive have only delved into the Mazda rotary engine due to Ray Lochhead's success in the import drag racing scene.

Autronic's success in the WRX (and Lan-EVO?) apps are thoroughly documented.  They have never pushed very hard for the Mazda rotary engine; I've bugged the local Autronic guy, and there is usually no news about Autronic for the Mazda 13B...

The Mazda 20B is becoming one of the more popular build-ups for the RX-7 folks.  Haltech has released to E11 for this.  Microtech has their 3-rotor application.  Is Autronic going to do this for their upcoming SM4?


-Ted

RICE RACING

I have read some rubbish in this thread.

Facts are the Autronic is a killer system, its not for fools and its not for workshops that want to make a quick buck with quick easy instal or set up (drive in smoke away ! no ore to pay !!).

You need some extra's you need to do some basic things to insure trigger integrity (some OMP system mods) and thats about it, all you need then is a competent tuner and jobs done, done once and done right

My old rotary ran Autronic, my other one had Motec M4PRO, my new car will run a Autronic (SM2 or SM4). For the money they are a great choice for the enthusiast who is willing to spend a bit more and re-engineer the OEM stuff to suit a quality ECU Lets not turn this into a **** fight about why an E11 or LTX12 is more popular, the question is why Autronic is overlooked.

I will tell you why they are overlooked !!! Enzo will know as I got him into this **** to begin with, its a lack of support and a one time disrespect for rotary engines by the companies founder. This may or may not still be the case, either way I dont give a **** as dont other Autronic enthusiasts........ we create our own demand and as a result they will make better products and upgrades to suit our interests.

As it stands it may not be the most adaptable (without system modifications) but it sure as hell is one of the most reliable and feature packed of any ECU at any price point.

Peter

ORX705

i wouldn't say i have overlooked this. i agree fully that autronic are ignoring the rotary and its needs. i thought i stated that in a previous post. understand that i'm supporting the product not the support

here they are catering for the Australian market. WRXs are huge here, street or race. they continue to ignore rotaries probably for the fact that the majority of rotary owners here use microtech. cateroing for aussie needs and ignoring the large number of rotary owners, that's there stupid problem. and now they try to enter the us market after leaving a few things a bit late. all i can say is suck!

no, it needs bosch 008 ignitors and needs a reluctor interface to read the cas signal. you also forgot to point out it needs its own air intake sensor and coolant temp sensor. i don't see this as much of a problem, you will always be assured the signal will be accurate (and i can see your need to be accurate )

ORX705

well said. so take note ppl considering autronic as an option. don't do it, until they provide the necessary support or if you have a comprehensive understanding on aftermarket ecus or if you live close to enzo

silverpain

given what's been said by the ' autron-ites' why wold a shop, like myself , invest in a product that has no support system in my country never mind my continent, requires that you seem to spend a substantial time tuning this item, ( why is this a good thing ? if you can tune a micro or haltech in a few hrs and have a vehicle out and running tip top? why would you want to switch to a product that takes longer to do the same job ??) And to top it off, the lead man at this company, so you say, has a dislike for rotaries..

yeah all that is going to make ME want to be the first dealer in Canada...not.

RICE RACING

All I can say to you is that it functions well, damn well (does things that others cant, for the cost) ........

Though there are lots of other negatives wich "we" have highlighted, if your self sufficient and can wade through the bullshit, then its for you. If you need someone to hold your hand every step of the way or want a "plug and pray" system then its not for you.

If your proficient with ECU's then you can program an Autronic "from scratch" in 1/10th of the time it takes to do a Haltech (specialy E6K ! with its horendous program interface). This is not the issue its the initial set up and availability of support which is lacking at a "factory level" & its a rare comodity to find a rotary expert in Autronic.

Its definatley not a money making exercise compared to other alternatives out there, but this was not the intention of this thread

remydrm

Can someone give an idea of what it would cost to put together an Autrnic setup for an FD. What parts other than the SM2 would I need and so forth. It sounds and reads to be a great prduct. Very flexible and versitile. I would also consider being a test car for this if there were a good installer in California.

RICE RACING

PM enzo250

RETed

Hey RICE RACING, apologies if I hit a nerve here.
The local Autronic dealer does not want to support rotaries even after waving a lot of money under his nose; this doesn't give very favorable impression on the Autronic for rotary applications.
I have seen the Autronic (SM2) at work, and it is a very impressive products; it's abilities was never in question.
Even after hounding our local Autronic dealer for 13B and 20B applications, we've never got any really good "news" on any developments; I never knew the company's founder's views on the rotary engine, and this doesn't surprise me given our experience.

I see nothing wrong with the Haltech (E6K) interface, especially when compared to the Microtech stuff.  This is MY opinions on the matter folks.  I admit that I do not have any experience with the Autronic stuff, but our local Autronic dealer is very tight-lipped about the Autronic products and softwares.

silverpain is right - if you're a dealer trying to look at a potential EMS brand and trying to cater to the rotary consumer, Autronic does make it difficult if they are not very "friendly" for rotary engine applications.  Given the support available, it's hard to beat Haltech or even Microtech.  This was not about the capabilities of each system.

As a side note, Haltech is making it very hard to stay a loyal fan when we've blown up one engine due to an E11 bug, and I think I've uncovered another bug in the venerable E6K model in Advanced mode for rotary engine application.  A lot of the dealers are being left hanging at this point due to the "change in management" at Haltech, and it's hard to tell customers that the Haltech systems are buggy, and there is no estimate when current bugs are going to be fixed.


-Ted
-Ted

silverpain

does this E6k bug carry over to the E6X ?? just wonderings since I'm about to install one on a cosmo / T70 build shortly...