PowerFC or Adaptronic for 13B-REW swap
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PowerFC or Adaptronic for 13B-REW swap
Hey guys, I did a quick search and though the question has sorta been asked before those threads didn't really give the information I think I'm looking for. So a little backstory. I rebuilt and streetported the engine in my S5 n/a a few years ago. Plan was/is to get a standalone and learn to tune on the n/a and see how much power I could get on the stock manifolds then go turbo. Life happens(wife/kid, other hobbies I chose to spend money on instead) so no standalone yet. Originally I had decided on a PowerFC seemed pretty easy with the Banzai harness and a n/a base map available but I like what I read about the adptronic as well. No known local rotary tuner and no plan to take it to one because I want to learn to tune so buy what you're tuner uses is out. Now originally I was gonna port match a TII LIM to the 6 port when the time came but the more I research/read I think I am just going to go to a REW eventually. It seems my power goals of 300 to 325rwhp is no problem for the stock twins. This brings me to my original question. It seems since the PFC was developed for the FD is it the best choice if one plans to retain the stock sequential setup? It seems if I already have one up and running in my FC the electronics of the REW swap will be pretty plug and play. Is this also the case with the Adptronic? If so how does it handle the stock twins vs the PFC? Is being more modern than the PFC make it a better choice, or only if going single? Or in the end is it six of one or half dozen of the other so to speak? Thanks.
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Haltech Elite PnP isn't mentioned. Why is that?
Install Software Packages from EACH ECU company you're considering and learn them all. You'll find the answer you seek by the depth of adjustability.
Haltech, Adaptronic, and PowerFC all can run REW Twin Turbo setups flawlessly.
Good luck on the tuning portion. It's a fun process and every day is a classroom.
Install Software Packages from EACH ECU company you're considering and learn them all. You'll find the answer you seek by the depth of adjustability.
Haltech, Adaptronic, and PowerFC all can run REW Twin Turbo setups flawlessly.
Good luck on the tuning portion. It's a fun process and every day is a classroom.
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Haltech Elite PnP isn't mentioned. Why is that?
Install Software Packages from EACH ECU company you're considering and learn them all. You'll find the answer you seek by the depth of adjustability.
Haltech, Adaptronic, and PowerFC all can run REW Twin Turbo setups flawlessly.
Good luck on the tuning portion. It's a fun process and every day is a classroom.
Install Software Packages from EACH ECU company you're considering and learn them all. You'll find the answer you seek by the depth of adjustability.
Haltech, Adaptronic, and PowerFC all can run REW Twin Turbo setups flawlessly.
Good luck on the tuning portion. It's a fun process and every day is a classroom.
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So here's my opinion...
PowerFC is going to be too difficult to tune due to the interface/software to properly do it. It's too ancient and there are better ways of doing the same thing.
Adaptronic has zero support besides YouTube videos and their vendors, in which case you're always dealing with a salesman. There are a few inherent software flaws still, but it IS getting better.
Haltech is proven. The forums on here are good enough to have actual DEVELOPMENT and not "Mah Cur Dunt Startup!" threads every few days. It's a completely different forum vibe from Haltech vs. Adaptronic and as someone who has neither (I'm going Emtron, and have zero stock in either company), I couldn't give a **** what you decide, because it doesn't effect me. I would suggest you order through someone who continues to be an incredible asset to Rx7s, and that would be Chris Ludwig of LMS-EFI.com
Given my automotive design, engineering background, I can tell you, hands down, the SOFTWARE package of the Haltech is superior by a landslide. The support is there, you get a printed manual, and the hardware is relatively similar across Adaptronic and Haltech, so it's not a big deal. Building out a M6000 for your REW is more expensive than running an Elite 2500 with I/O Box, don't let anyone fool you.
Build out a list of your requirements and goals. Go wild if you want, but ALWAYS leave room with a better ECU than you think you need so if future upgrades are in order (DBW, Flex Fuel, More Injectors, More I/O, Custom 4D Tables, etc), you have the capacity to program to your satisfaction.
Either way, the first step is to install the software of each of these programs and see what's what.
PowerFC is going to be too difficult to tune due to the interface/software to properly do it. It's too ancient and there are better ways of doing the same thing.
Adaptronic has zero support besides YouTube videos and their vendors, in which case you're always dealing with a salesman. There are a few inherent software flaws still, but it IS getting better.
Haltech is proven. The forums on here are good enough to have actual DEVELOPMENT and not "Mah Cur Dunt Startup!" threads every few days. It's a completely different forum vibe from Haltech vs. Adaptronic and as someone who has neither (I'm going Emtron, and have zero stock in either company), I couldn't give a **** what you decide, because it doesn't effect me. I would suggest you order through someone who continues to be an incredible asset to Rx7s, and that would be Chris Ludwig of LMS-EFI.com
Given my automotive design, engineering background, I can tell you, hands down, the SOFTWARE package of the Haltech is superior by a landslide. The support is there, you get a printed manual, and the hardware is relatively similar across Adaptronic and Haltech, so it's not a big deal. Building out a M6000 for your REW is more expensive than running an Elite 2500 with I/O Box, don't let anyone fool you.
Build out a list of your requirements and goals. Go wild if you want, but ALWAYS leave room with a better ECU than you think you need so if future upgrades are in order (DBW, Flex Fuel, More Injectors, More I/O, Custom 4D Tables, etc), you have the capacity to program to your satisfaction.
Either way, the first step is to install the software of each of these programs and see what's what.
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I think I'm may be rethinking and leaning towards the Haltech Elite now anyway. I'm thinking since I have that spare harness I can just get the ecu and their plug and contact kits cut the factory plug off and rewire it for the Haltech. Then I'll deal with the REW when/if the time comes. I have the FSM for both my FC and one for an FD as well.
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I had thought I found a thread on here about how to do it. It involved using the FD engine harness and making some modifications to it I guess to make it work in the FC. When I re looked it up they just told the parts needed not exactly how to do it. Anyway maybe not as PnP as I thought but doable it seems.
I think I'm may be rethinking and leaning towards the Haltech Elite now anyway. I'm thinking since I have that spare harness I can just get the ecu and their plug and contact kits cut the factory plug off and rewire it for the Haltech. Then I'll deal with the REW when/if the time comes. I have the FSM for both my FC and one for an FD as well.
I think I'm may be rethinking and leaning towards the Haltech Elite now anyway. I'm thinking since I have that spare harness I can just get the ecu and their plug and contact kits cut the factory plug off and rewire it for the Haltech. Then I'll deal with the REW when/if the time comes. I have the FSM for both my FC and one for an FD as well.
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I'm mostly window shopping right now but when I get closer to being ready to actually buy something I may give you a call.
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ECU Options that most of us can attain in a reasonable timeframe are AEM Infinity 506 (very low I/O for some, zero Rotary support with the 7-Series ECUs), Haltech Elite 1500/2500, Fueltech FT500/600, and Adaptronic. Higher end stuff is MoTec, Syvecs, Emtron, in which there are fewer rotary cars on due to entry cost.
All I ask is that you download the software package of each of these and fart around with them. Educate yourself on Setup Wizards, Injector Data, Input/Output Capabilities, and most of all how they model air and fuel. Your experience may vary, but at least you'll see the whole picture.
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All I ask is that you download the software package of each of these and fart around with them. Educate yourself on Setup Wizards, Injector Data, Input/Output Capabilities, and most of all how they model air and fuel. Your experience may vary, but at least you'll see the whole picture.
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To me its common sense really at this point
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Given that haltech bought out adaptronic I dont see why you woulnt go with the elite as the flagship model of the company that has guaranteed support going forward. We have yet to really see whats gonna happen with adaptronic now that haltech ownes it. I can't see them allowing it to become a superior product to their internal haltech brand equivalent.
To me its common sense really at this point
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To me its common sense really at this point
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Here is were you are wrong.. Haltech is owned by another company... That company bought Adaptronic brand to have better market penetration. That company sees both ECU brands as a way to make money. They are going to build both brands to the best they can be to offer solutions for all markets. Adaptronic gets to use haltech IP and haltech gets to use Adaptronic IP. It is a win win for both brands.
Also, who is "That company"? Your post just sounds like a bunch of regurgitated anecdotal sales BS intended to trigger an argument.
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Haltech has a support forum and Adaptronic has nothing
It doesn't look good for Adaptronic's future when the management won't spend the minimal amount in hosting fees required to host a forum
If I didn't already own an Adaptronic ECU, I would buy something else at this point. Not 20 year old tech like a PFC, but something else nonetheless
It doesn't look good for Adaptronic's future when the management won't spend the minimal amount in hosting fees required to host a forum
If I didn't already own an Adaptronic ECU, I would buy something else at this point. Not 20 year old tech like a PFC, but something else nonetheless
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Haltech has a support forum and Adaptronic has nothing
It doesn't look good for Adaptronic's future when the management won't spend the minimal amount in hosting fees required to host a forum
If I didn't already own an Adaptronic ECU, I would buy something else at this point. Not 20 year old tech like a PFC, but something else nonetheless
It doesn't look good for Adaptronic's future when the management won't spend the minimal amount in hosting fees required to host a forum
If I didn't already own an Adaptronic ECU, I would buy something else at this point. Not 20 year old tech like a PFC, but something else nonetheless
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Would you like some crackers with that whine? Business has been as usual... Still getting regular software/firmware updates and products are still being produced. Also since you are obviously ignorant you did not notice that they have started their marketing campaign for the Adaptronic ecu with the hpacademy for a ECU give away...
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Would you like some crackers with that whine? Business has been as usual... Still getting regular software/firmware updates and products are still being produced. Also since you are obviously ignorant you did not notice that they have started their marketing campaign for the Adaptronic ecu with the hpacademy for a ECU give away...
How is that significant for the brand? I’ve never even heard of HP academy. I guess you need all that social media hype to sell your products when the customer service you provide is second rate.
You avoided my question about who the primary owner or as you said, “that company” is.
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There's a large lack of professionalism on here. If someone wants help with their ECU, make a thread on the appropriate Engine Management (in this case Adaptronic) forum and I'll personally go over it with you. Working on three right now.
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oh, wow, hpacademy is giving away a cheap ECU?!?!!!!
How is that significant for the brand? I’ve never even heard of HP academy. I guess you need all that social media hype to sell your products when the customer service you provide is second rate.
You avoided my question about who the primary owner or as you said, “that company” is.
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1) first try and sell something
2) make some big statements and a show with nothing of actual substance
3) fail to provide any answers supporting after the fact and instead tell everyone to figure it out themselves
If you really want to help this situation, you should put some stock in helping those who are disgruntled on here and in doing so bring some real facts to the table instead of only replying to a sales opportunity. There's a whole ongoing thread discussing what happened to the forums which you have been conveniently ignoring, and you have the audacity to simultaneously throw it out here. LINK.
The thing is, the wolves are hungry, so I wouldn't show up with any fake news.
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Wow quite a bit went on here since the last time I looked at this thread. Though I'm not ready to buy yet it looks like the one of the Haltech elite series is the way to go. I know some won't agree with the logic of why I came to that decision, but here it is.
1. I guess I bought into their marketing via quite a few of the guys on Street Outlaws are using them. I know they are using the REM modules for controlling their nitrous staging and traction/launch control stuff. They got a lot more going on than I probably will ever have so it should suit my power goals just fine.
2. I may not even stay rotary though I would prefer to. If I choose the ECU with the right # of outputs they have PnP LSX harnesses. Adaptronic does not. I know Adaptronic has ECU's with enough outputs but Haltech has the PnP option and seems to be more established in the LS world.
That's my thoughts at the time. Flame on for the V8 talk if you must but I'd still like my next engine to be a 13B-REW if it's any consolation.
1. I guess I bought into their marketing via quite a few of the guys on Street Outlaws are using them. I know they are using the REM modules for controlling their nitrous staging and traction/launch control stuff. They got a lot more going on than I probably will ever have so it should suit my power goals just fine.
2. I may not even stay rotary though I would prefer to. If I choose the ECU with the right # of outputs they have PnP LSX harnesses. Adaptronic does not. I know Adaptronic has ECU's with enough outputs but Haltech has the PnP option and seems to be more established in the LS world.
That's my thoughts at the time. Flame on for the V8 talk if you must but I'd still like my next engine to be a 13B-REW if it's any consolation.
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Lockin Pty Ltd is the parent company. It is private and does business as the following:
• Haltech Engine Management Systems
• Haltech Research
• Haltech NGV
• Haltech / PWR Products
• Haltech Diesel
• Haltech Racing
• Haltech Engine Management Technology
In other words, it's Haltech.
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- Lockin Pty Ltd | Invest in Australia
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• Haltech Engine Management Systems
• Haltech Research
• Haltech NGV
• Haltech / PWR Products
• Haltech Diesel
• Haltech Racing
• Haltech Engine Management Technology
In other words, it's Haltech.
- https://abr.business.gov.au/ABN/View?abn=68061744303
- Historical details for ABN 68 061 744 303 | ABN Lookup
- Lockin Pty Ltd | Invest in Australia
- https://www.bloomberg.com/profiles/c...lockin-pty-ltd