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10-17-10, 12:58 AM
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what's up all. While I'm not new to drift I'm still learning. So my car is all stock except for the kyb agx shocks and some kind of springs I'm not familiar with. The guy I got it from says they are eiboch. I suppose his is good enough to get side ways. I know you don't have to go crazy with mods. Anyway. My actual question is why do people do a Stretch with their tires? Is there a benefit to this? If so would there it be as beneficial to stretch on stock width wheels?
10-17-10, 02:33 AM
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I see. Well I am running. enkies that are stock width. Is there a tire width you could recomend for a stretch? Stock tire size is 205 obviously. I was thinking about running a cheapy set of tires in the back that I can break loose more easily since I am still learning. My car has BF Goodridge G force sports 225/50 all around. So I dont want to thrash those just yet.
10-17-10, 03:57 AM
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well dood, just go to whatever used tire place of your choosing and get matching pairs of whatever.
The trick is to stuff really wide wheels under your arches and balance your tire widths out based on clearance and desired grip. If you're running 6.5 to 7" wide wheels, you really dont need to run stretch. You NEED traction to drift.
You should keep the 225 g forces up front and just run whatever's cheap in the back. LIke some 205 off brand budget tires like goodrides or sunnys or whatever is used and cheap. Tire pressure, technique and a diff is going to effect your breakout more than stretch.
If you want stretch, you've gotta step up on the wheels. Banded steelies, mustang wheels, whatever....just something wider. you NEED traction to drift. Stretching on a 6.5-7" wide rim is going to be like driving on ice. You'll be making smoke and noise but probably not gaining any speed.
Most tire brands that stretch good (when you're ready) are nankang, bct, sunny, nexen, kumho, federal, falken, riken, maxxis...etc...
High end goodyear, michelin and pirelli tires stretch like **** if you can even get them to because they are expensive as **** and designed to have super stiff sidewalls that resist roll and deflection. I would stay away from these unless you want to run close to full recommended width on your wheels.
I hear mixed things about dunlops. Some like to stretch, others dont.
The trick is to stuff really wide wheels under your arches and balance your tire widths out based on clearance and desired grip. If you're running 6.5 to 7" wide wheels, you really dont need to run stretch. You NEED traction to drift.
You should keep the 225 g forces up front and just run whatever's cheap in the back. LIke some 205 off brand budget tires like goodrides or sunnys or whatever is used and cheap. Tire pressure, technique and a diff is going to effect your breakout more than stretch.
If you want stretch, you've gotta step up on the wheels. Banded steelies, mustang wheels, whatever....just something wider. you NEED traction to drift. Stretching on a 6.5-7" wide rim is going to be like driving on ice. You'll be making smoke and noise but probably not gaining any speed.
Most tire brands that stretch good (when you're ready) are nankang, bct, sunny, nexen, kumho, federal, falken, riken, maxxis...etc...
High end goodyear, michelin and pirelli tires stretch like **** if you can even get them to because they are expensive as **** and designed to have super stiff sidewalls that resist roll and deflection. I would stay away from these unless you want to run close to full recommended width on your wheels.
I hear mixed things about dunlops. Some like to stretch, others dont.
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well dood, just go to whatever used tire place of your choosing and get matching pairs of whatever.
The trick is to stuff really wide wheels under your arches and balance your tire widths out based on clearance and desired grip. If you're running 6.5 to 7" wide wheels, you really dont need to run stretch. You NEED traction to drift.
You should keep the 225 g forces up front and just run whatever's cheap in the back. LIke some 205 off brand budget tires like goodrides or sunnys or whatever is used and cheap. Tire pressure, technique and a diff is going to effect your breakout more than stretch.
If you want stretch, you've gotta step up on the wheels. Banded steelies, mustang wheels, whatever....just something wider. you NEED traction to drift. Stretching on a 6.5-7" wide rim is going to be like driving on ice. You'll be making smoke and noise but probably not gaining any speed.
Most tire brands that stretch good (when you're ready) are nankang, bct, sunny, nexen, kumho, federal, falken, riken, maxxis...etc...
High end goodyear, michelin and pirelli tires stretch like **** if you can even get them to because they are expensive as **** and designed to have super stiff sidewalls that resist roll and deflection. I would stay away from these unless you want to run close to full recommended width on your wheels.
I hear mixed things about dunlops. Some like to stretch, others dont.
The trick is to stuff really wide wheels under your arches and balance your tire widths out based on clearance and desired grip. If you're running 6.5 to 7" wide wheels, you really dont need to run stretch. You NEED traction to drift.
You should keep the 225 g forces up front and just run whatever's cheap in the back. LIke some 205 off brand budget tires like goodrides or sunnys or whatever is used and cheap. Tire pressure, technique and a diff is going to effect your breakout more than stretch.
If you want stretch, you've gotta step up on the wheels. Banded steelies, mustang wheels, whatever....just something wider. you NEED traction to drift. Stretching on a 6.5-7" wide rim is going to be like driving on ice. You'll be making smoke and noise but probably not gaining any speed.
Most tire brands that stretch good (when you're ready) are nankang, bct, sunny, nexen, kumho, federal, falken, riken, maxxis...etc...
High end goodyear, michelin and pirelli tires stretch like **** if you can even get them to because they are expensive as **** and designed to have super stiff sidewalls that resist roll and deflection. I would stay away from these unless you want to run close to full recommended width on your wheels.
I hear mixed things about dunlops. Some like to stretch, others dont.
10-19-10, 10:34 PM
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They do it for looks mostly. To add to what was already said. You can drift on any tire if you are familiar with the car. At least i can. I am running factory size on T2 heavy *** junk rims and have no problems. I haven't changed sizes due to the lack of steering in the front. Once the knuckles get modded then its a whole new ball game.
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10-20-10, 02:55 AM
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They do it for looks mostly. To add to what was already said. You can drift on any tire if you are familiar with the car. At least i can. I am running factory size on T2 heavy *** junk rims and have no problems. I haven't changed sizes due to the lack of steering in the front. Once the knuckles get modded then its a whole new ball game.
10-21-10, 01:49 AM
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You modify your steering geometry by moving the tie rod pickup point closer to the hub.
Less turns lock to lock (right?) and more available steering angle. I wouldn't worry about that just yet but it's worth looking into further if you plan on doing this drift thing for a bit and it's not just a fad or trend for you.
Less turns lock to lock (right?) and more available steering angle. I wouldn't worry about that just yet but it's worth looking into further if you plan on doing this drift thing for a bit and it's not just a fad or trend for you.
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You modify your steering geometry by moving the tie rod pickup point closer to the hub.
Less turns lock to lock (right?) and more available steering angle. I wouldn't worry about that just yet but it's worth looking into further if you plan on doing this drift thing for a bit and it's not just a fad or trend for you.
Less turns lock to lock (right?) and more available steering angle. I wouldn't worry about that just yet but it's worth looking into further if you plan on doing this drift thing for a bit and it's not just a fad or trend for you.
10-26-10, 02:59 PM
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Is there more control with the bigger Rim versus the smaller rim while mid drift or something? What differences besided size is there between a stock 16" and 17x9.5 or 18x9.5? Any?
10-27-10, 09:13 PM
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well, bigger rim size means a lower profile tire. that increases the contact patch and makes the tire flatter to the road. I would assume you would have more traction and it would be harder to break loose. but I'm in the same boat as you and don't really know the specifics. I don't think you need them on stock power unless you just want better looking wheels.
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well, bigger rim size means a lower profile tire. that increases the contact patch and makes the tire flatter to the road. I would assume you would have more traction and it would be harder to break loose. but I'm in the same boat as you and don't really know the specifics. I don't think you need them on stock power unless you just want better looking wheels.
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Drifter on a budget! Thats what im talking about. Sick! What did you cut on the knuckle? How do you like the Ksport. Im assuming its specific for drift. Is the highth adjustable? Your car looks like its pretty low.
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10-28-10, 02:36 PM
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You've got some googling to do. For real.
Yes, the height is adjustable.
You cut a section out of the knuckle between the knuckle body and the tie rod pick up point. You're modifying the length of one lever while keeping another the same length so you get more action for less work.
Asking how all that comes together and how it effects things either requires you to not give a **** about specifics, go out and drive or extensive reading up on suspension geometry. It's alot of math, headache and bullshit but worth learning about if you have the time to do so.
Yes, the height is adjustable.
You cut a section out of the knuckle between the knuckle body and the tie rod pick up point. You're modifying the length of one lever while keeping another the same length so you get more action for less work.
Asking how all that comes together and how it effects things either requires you to not give a **** about specifics, go out and drive or extensive reading up on suspension geometry. It's alot of math, headache and bullshit but worth learning about if you have the time to do so.
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You've got some googling to do. For real.
Yes, the height is adjustable.
You cut a section out of the knuckle between the knuckle body and the tie rod pick up point. You're modifying the length of one lever while keeping another the same length so you get more action for less work.
Asking how all that comes together and how it effects things either requires you to not give a **** about specifics, go out and drive or extensive reading up on suspension geometry. It's alot of math, headache and bullshit but worth learning about if you have the time to do so.
Yes, the height is adjustable.
You cut a section out of the knuckle between the knuckle body and the tie rod pick up point. You're modifying the length of one lever while keeping another the same length so you get more action for less work.
Asking how all that comes together and how it effects things either requires you to not give a **** about specifics, go out and drive or extensive reading up on suspension geometry. It's alot of math, headache and bullshit but worth learning about if you have the time to do so.
10-29-10, 02:18 AM
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