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Old Dec 2, 2009 | 06:14 PM
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is stock turbo enough for drifting? go big or go home?

alright guys... doing my turbobuild... still haha . running s5 turbo motor that im doing a medium streetport on both the intake and exhausts, which i havent done yet. here's my setup. i pretty much have everything except for a wideband and some side seal springs

Haltech e6x
Garrett t4 turbo .50 compressor trim .69 p trim exhaust side, journal bearing
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550cc primary/1600cc secondary
3" straight pipe all the way back with resonators and a muffler


my question is... "is the stock turbo setup good enough to drift on?". I live in California so of course smog issues come into play... cops. im attempting to make this setup look legal, but since it's so much money... why go big if i can just go stock and drift fine on it.

so can i get any input from anybody? i'm looking forward to my build since my compressor trim is .50 it should spool early and plus everything's brand new.. but any pros/cons will be greatly appreciated
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Old Dec 2, 2009 | 06:53 PM
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Of course it is man, even n/a FCs drift fine with a few tweaks.
Drifting is 90% drifter 10% car.

Unless the track is crazy fast (ie you drifting Irwindale or something), if you struggling then you either driving it wrong, or something else is wrong like too much grip or generally wrong setup.

"dkwasherexd" on here properly rocks out in his FC and IIRC thats on standard turbo, so thats an ideal comparison for you

My FC, even at a pissy 0.85bar on a little T04E and a street port, was easy to pull 3rd gear in the dry even with wide *** Advan A048s semi-slicks on the back, 35psi in them, and zero camber, and I SUCK!

Stock turbo running decent boost would be fine I reckon, but more power is always nice!

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Old Dec 2, 2009 | 07:11 PM
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Yeh stock turbo is cool, mine was all stock with microtech and was 175rwkw @ 12psi. was hella good power. Good for 4th on some of our tracks. I have some videos somewhere from ages ago too
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Old Dec 2, 2009 | 07:22 PM
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Do yourself a favor and stop describing turbos by trim, it doesn't tell you **** about it.

My turbo is a 52 trim compressor/ 78 trim turbine. What turbo do I have?
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Old Dec 2, 2009 | 08:39 PM
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been drifting with stock s5 turbo this whole time...
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Old Dec 2, 2009 | 08:53 PM
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yes, drifting is not about power, its about weight control and throttle control. High power cars are nice, but as long as you have a LSD, shoot a stock 240 could pull off some drifting, just pull the hand brake to slide. Anyways, I think if you can drift with a low power car, its shows something. Anyone can press the gas down and make tires spin
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Old Dec 2, 2009 | 09:10 PM
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Originally Posted by Turbo II Rotor
Do yourself a favor and stop describing turbos by trim, it doesn't tell you **** about it.

My turbo is a 52 trim compressor/ 78 trim turbine. What turbo do I have?
Do yourself a favor and everyone else and don't post if you don't have anything constructive to write. Tired of reading ******* posts like yours. It's not even ligitimate rant or bitch.

It's possible you have a Garrett GT3271... or something like this?

http://www.turbobygarrett.com/turbob.../GT4088R_T.pdf

Stock turbo should be enough for doing some drifting I would think. Good luck, Remember Have fun!
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Old Dec 2, 2009 | 09:18 PM
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Originally Posted by Nick_d_TII
Do yourself a favor and everyone else and don't post if you don't have anything constructive to write. Tired of reading ******* posts like yours. It's not even ligitimate rant or bitch.

It's possible you have a Garrett GT3271...

Stock turbo should be enough for doing some drifting I would think. Good luck, Remember Have fun!
Wrong, see what I mean? Trim is just the inducer squared divided by the exducer squared x 100. It's an area ratio.

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Old Dec 2, 2009 | 09:50 PM
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well i come to you today as not a noobie to drifting as i would claim that i'm pretty confident drifting in the n/a. i have my suspension built, powered by max coilovers, dtss eliminators, stretched tires and what not, 6 pt roll cage and the rear sway bar removed... maybe you've seen me at inland drift or adams track a couple of times... but i understand what all of you are saying about power and whatnot. I've just been bent on building my rx7 from the ground up, focusing on suspension, wheels/tires, brakes, and now i feel like it's time to complete the turbobuild i've started almost a year ago.

i'm hearing all of you guys and i see that stock turbo is good enough. thinking of building my s5 turbo motor, throwing it in my s4 with s5 manifolds, s4 t2 wiring harness, s5 turbo and just stock tmic.

all this time i was just worried that i would need a quicker spooling turbo or something that would produce much more power, but you guys made me realize that the stock t2 setup is just fine.

Plus... if i get my hood popped, they probably won't give me a state-ref ticket due to a modified turbocharger, fmic, bov, removed emissions, and all of that good stuff haha... even though they never bothered me about my cage or my car being too low

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Wrong, see what I mean? Trim is just the inducer squared divided by the exducer squared x 100. It's an area ratio.
and mr turbo II rotor... i'll be honest, this is not helping with my thread. i included turbo information thinking that it would help portray my build and see what its capable of, but i guess i was wrong.


and jebusfc... can i get some of your videos

and dkwasher... i've seen you drift and i've talked to jason about meeting you in person, but i just rarely go up north to inland. sounds like i'll have to meet ya someday

Thanks guys for the input a really big help with my build.. again
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Old Dec 2, 2009 | 09:52 PM
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Originally Posted by D0ct0r7
yes, drifting is not about power, its about weight control and throttle control. High power cars are nice, but as long as you have a LSD, shoot a stock 240 could pull off some drifting, just pull the hand brake to slide. Anyways, I think if you can drift with a low power car, its shows something. Anyone can press the gas down and make tires spin
the guide to the n/a rx7 drift. i'll have to post up some of my vids sometime... drifting my n/a rx7
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Old Dec 2, 2009 | 10:28 PM
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Originally Posted by D0ct0r7
Anyways, I think if you can drift with a low power car, its shows something. Anyone can press the gas down and make tires spin
i hate this metality. so not true. power is not a replacement for skill.

plus if you learn and adapt to a shitty/weak car and move to a powerful one, youre gonna suck(or at aleast for a little bit) and vice versa.
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Old Dec 2, 2009 | 11:08 PM
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and mr turbo II rotor... i'll be honest, this is not helping with my thread. i included turbo information thinking that it would help portray my build and see what its capable of, but i guess i was wrong.
Well you were wrong if you thought you were posting information, without knowing the wheel sizes you really just posted random numbers.
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Old Dec 3, 2009 | 05:37 AM
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i hate this metality. so not true. power is not a replacement for skill.

plus if you learn and adapt to a shitty/weak car and move to a powerful one, youre gonna suck(or at aleast for a little bit) and vice versa.
i agree. if i had a larger turbo and a ported engine with just coilovers when i started i would have gained very much experience very fast.
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Old Dec 3, 2009 | 06:46 AM
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no need for a big turbo
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Old Dec 3, 2009 | 09:09 AM
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hhahaha some of you guys are soooo funny.

stock turbo, 14 psi, street port, rtek 1.8 ecu, 850cc/950cc,small frontmount, 235/45/17 or 245/40/17


that was my set up in NOPIdrift 08'
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Old Dec 3, 2009 | 10:04 AM
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alright so my friend is able to provide me with the s4 t2 electronics and all i have to do now is just port my exhaust ports and throw my motor back together and get my hands on a s5 turbocharger. i had like 3 but i thought i was going with a larger turbo so i just got rid of them for cheap. anybody with one they're willing to part, hopefully with minimal but prefer no shaftplay ?

so looks like i'm actually going to be gaining money from this by selling all of my aftermarket turbo equipment .


i guess either way no matter how your car is setup, you'll still take time to adapt to it and moving to a different setup will require additional time to adjust. just like when i would adapt to my setup, then install coil-overs, or install the dtss eliminators, or get a new wheel/tire setup.

i'm really looking forward to finishing my build. i just have to smog my n/a this week and then im going to do my swap
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Old Dec 3, 2009 | 10:04 AM
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I drove on a streetported/S5 turbo setup for years... With tuning and larger secondaries made just shy of 250hp, and almost as much torque. The smaller turbo gives you a good and low boost threshold... but tapers off by 6500 rpm.

Just port the wastegate actuator ports a little to avoid boost creep/spikes if you are running more boost through the motor.

If you are planning on running the stock turbo for a while, I was using S5 NA rotors, which livened things up quite a bit... look into that.

In the end, if you already have the turbo parts purchased, then go ahead and build that thing up. If you get your hood popped, it's really luck of the draw, depending on the cop. Some will impound/ref for silicone lines or -AN fittings(even if its for oil) regardless if it is/isn't a built turbo engine. Just be respectful and answer quesions in a enthusiastic way like you aren't doing **** wrong.

Been there, done that.
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OH yeah!! - haha i forgot about wastegate porting-

good call dave.
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Buy my brand new rebuilt S4 Stage 3 $400 shipped. I'll send a manifold AND SS oil feed line too!
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Old Dec 3, 2009 | 07:51 PM
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I had an external on my stock S5 turbo, worked pretty good

heres a vid of stock turbo from a while ago, not on a real track just mucking round

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=blVXXrSP-fQ

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EbHjkyDSWGM
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Old Dec 3, 2009 | 08:51 PM
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THis thread is retard.

To answer the question: YES, ABSOLUTELY.
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Old Dec 3, 2009 | 09:42 PM
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Originally Posted by RussTII
i hate this metality. so not true. power is not a replacement for skill.

plus if you learn and adapt to a shitty/weak car and move to a powerful one, youre gonna suck(or at aleast for a little bit) and vice versa.
soory bro , dont know where you got the idea that I was replacing power with skill, but come on, you can enter corners at much lower speeds with a high power car and drift through it, in a low power car, no can do, if you lose you power band, bye bye sliding, and your not drifting anymore. Thats why I think those who can drift in low power car, (full speed entery, and exit) show that they are more skilled, as if you started to learn in a high power car then go to a low power, you will have issues trying to get it to go sideways as you now need to focus on weight control vs power to drift.
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spend money on cooling, youll need it
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Originally Posted by D0ct0r7
soory bro , dont know where you got the idea that I was replacing power with skill, but come on, you can enter corners at much lower speeds with a high power car and drift through it, in a low power car, no can do, if you lose you power band, bye bye sliding, and your not drifting anymore. Thats why I think those who can drift in low power car, (full speed entery, and exit) show that they are more skilled, as if you started to learn in a high power car then go to a low power, you will have issues trying to get it to go sideways as you now need to focus on weight control vs power to drift.
I'm sure this applies to some people, but it's such a gay cliche made by crappy drivers who drive low hp cars.

You can still tell if a person sucks at driving no matter what amount of hp they have.

ie: a wrestler's son, hinson sponsored s13, etc, etc.
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