Steering knuckle mod "moar angle"
 

Has anyone made a DIY thread on this mod. If not, I might do one for an s5 knuckle.

the s4 and s5 knuckles are different?

I actually just did this and will be selling them.

Is anyone interested?

i'd buy that for a dollar

http://fc3spro.com/TECH/DRIFT/DCOMPARE/dcompare.html


I'm going to be doing this is the very near future. I'm going to have a career welder weld the spindle because it is cast iron and steering parts are not the smartest to learn to weld cast on.

What's your price? I'll send you my core's, so you can make more.:icon_tup:

Hey mate,

saw your post on zt about knuckles but coudlnt reply as I am not a member...

I have some haraguchi knuckles ... though you might be interested in how he has welded his..
http://www.doadrift.com/files/images...es.preview.JPG

he has lowered them and angles them in a bit... these were mint, werent twitchy at all as i hear some people complain knuckles are.....

I had huge problems with these hitting suspension stuff (i also had supernow rack spacers)... 17x9 -7 on the front with 215/45s and the wheel would hit the swaybar up front and the lca at the back..

lol didn't even realise that. ive been asking others about there suspension setups, and everyone pretty much runs spacers, just because its easy to do.

The people at poweredbymax are considering making a set of super angle spindles for the FC. They just released a set for the S13 in the US. Here's some pics of there S13 modded spindles on this page, along with other spindle pics scattered among the thread.
http://www.zilvia.net/f/showthread.php?t=144069&page=47

Post up and show some interest, a few of us have already made ourselves known on wanting them made for the FC in the thread posted. Hopefully we could get em made for us by a US distributor.

Hey guys the report from the track this weekend is:

My spindles are fucking awesome. I had SO much angle and could throw my car in hotter and catch it every time. JTP and I ran some Drift Alliance Aces tandem for video footy and I led, he followed me. When we pulled into the pits he was talking about how much angle I was holding and he was running lock on his car (Mazda trix inner spacer iirc) and was pretty impressed. Then I told him that I wasn't even at lock on the steering when we were running and he pretty quickly made his mind up to get some.


I see things wrong with all those spindles that I don't like in comparison to mine, but there are 1,000 ways to do the same task, so.. yeah. I like Hariguchi's spindles the most out of all those options, but I decided not to do mine that way because it puts more leverage and shearing force on the welds when done like that.

Here are pics of my spindles:

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The forces on the welds are very minimal so I am very confident that they'll never fail. Besides, the guy who welded them did an amazing job. Very very nice TIG work.


Anyways contact me if you guys are interested, its cheaper if you give me cores, of course. If I have to go to junk yards and hunt around for FCs to make these, its a big hassle. Also, you will definitely need to modify the shit out of your wheel wells to allow for clearance your wheels will need. Therefore I have considered offering different levels of modification, depending on what state of tune your car is in. Its just a matter of cutting the right amount based on your guys set up. For instance with my wheels (17x9.5 -3 235/40/17) I go to full lock and barely rub the LCA. I grinded the LCA a lil bit to clearance it, and everything is perfect now, specific to my car.

*very interested*

so whats the trick with fitting wheels now? does it require wide fenders and at least +10 offset on wheels? ive got some trick slut 17x8 +35 in the front and they rub at full counter as it is =(

Yeah lower offset the better, cause you need to keep the inside lip away from LCA and swaybar, framerail, etc. In order to kep a good size tire up front, you'll need some wide wheels. To have wide wheels and low offset usually you're gonna need wide fenders.

i extremely want some of these, or make my own, i watched the video on zilva and seeing some of the angles they were holding, and seemed very smooth ( i know its a s13 but i have driven a lot of them too )


pm'ed

i Got that mod done. Its like no other mod! By far the best thing to do if you wanna increase the steering angle! I`ve max whats possible on a FC without DOing something with the front frame of the car. im less than 5mm away from the frame with 215/40-17 tires.
Be sure to get someone that can weld to weld it! Atleast if the car is "street-legal"

Sindre

should have done this a long time ago...

gp sports sac w/extra spacer
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JTP spindle mod
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ballin.

damn i need this...

Looks like you got almost the same as me BoostinmyS5

i got an alignment done today and was looking at my stock steering angle.. and then i started the cry.

i massaged the inner frame rails to add some clearance. and i'm absolutely maxed out for a 17x9.5 up front.. had to change from the normal 17x10 to get some extra clearance.

we'll see how much it helps at rd5 Seattle Formula D.. i'm hoping i'll be able to throw it in backwards and peddle out of it..

do you have any pics of your angle?

Sweet JTP. That's what the call was for today, I assume? I tried to answer but I had bad service. I called back but I guess you were busy busy.


I told you soooo. It looks great, same as mine, I can tell. What inner spacers are you running now? And what offset on that 9.5? Did you just use my specs?

BoostinmyFC. what offset are you running on your wheels? I have to use BIIIG spacers with mine 17*8 rims. 17*9.5 is way to big for me up front. You probably got wider fenders than stock to? Im gonna take a pic of my angle :)

Attachment 705127This is the only pic i got.. Kinda hard to say how much i got!

so basically chop off the piece and make it shorter? is that it? anything specific to it?

Yup, but you should make a jig for it and make sure not change any angles to the hole for the steering rod end. If you do it will get in the brake discs. Since i lowered my car we found out that we were able to change the angle some to make it further away from the brakes but youll figure that out when you look at a stock knuckle.

yeah, i had some questions/wanted to talk about it. u still in HI?

i'm running 22mm spacers with a 9.5+12 so effectively 9.5 -10

i think i'm gonna add another 3mm spacer, i'm still rubbing slightly on the frame rails. i think a 9in wheel would probably work better, but.. well... yeah.... 9" wheel. maybe eventually.. i'm working on this whole "race car" thing.. it's hard giving up stretch and looks for performance, but i'm really working on it.

i'm running 30mm shine "foresight" fenders. i definitely think making the car a little wider improves the drifting capabilities of the FC.

can you snap a pic from the top looking down... i want to see how much is gained from a smaller wheel.

Ill take one tomorrow! Its dark here, allready. I have 50mm spacers up front to make my rims work but i got 1/2inch of tire outside of the fender. Doesnt look good and it rubbs. i need wider fenders. This is alittle Off topic but what do you think about making the lower arm(cant find the correct english name for it) longer so i can skip the 50mm spacer? Spacers makes the wheel move to much and it rubs easier.

iono evergreen doesn't really require much angle except maybe coming off the bank and maybe the last turn depending on how close to the wall it is, but you should be able to throw it a lot more sideways at least.

you damn formula d bastards are taking away our normal evergreen drift day.. was supposed to be thursday our day, friday you're practice, but now your practice is on thursday yea? or are you practicing thursday and friday?

i think u mean adjustable roll center.. like on the corolla's.. if you're running the early model 86-88 front control arms, i think it would be pretty easy to weld on the ball joint adapter to make it longer.. just a thought..

i added another 3mm spacer today, and double checked the offset.. i'm now at -15 with the 9.5" wheel

i also removed a extra spacer i had and re-aligned.. it's amazingly close both front and rear now at full lock.. but doesn't seem to rub.. it's absolutely maxed out now!!!


i'm hoping on the right to left hand flip where we'll be facing the stands i can throw it backwards.. lol well not really but a lot more than before..

i'll be up there tuesday night i think... hopefully practice on wed if it's available.. then on thursday and friday.. i'm really pushing to do well this event.. i need to get seeded again..

Then you'll just have to find out how to adjust out the massive amount of negative camber you just created. Best way to eliminate the 50mm spacers is to buy wheels with 50mm less offset.

that sounds scary; i don't think i need to do that mod yet then. I'm very new at this still.

Linda, whats pricing looking like for PG spindles vs PBM spindles? ive got a source local for RYO spindles for fc and s13 but the wait is a few months and they run around $550, yours or PBMS would be alot better, cores in hand.

PBM doesn't make them for FC


and his name is Lindsay

in "development"

and, no shit. ZT spacing and all....

with my car, haruguchi knuckles and supernow spacers... 9.5 -10 wouldnt come close to clearing the swaybar and lca..

i had 17x9 -7 with 215/45s and the lip of the wheel itself used to rub on the swaybar one way and on the lca the otherway...

i had some pretty whacky castor setup though and around -3.5 camber
http://img483.imageshack.us/img483/4355/dsc00481jf5.jpg

the amounts of lock you could get though was amazing, absolulety mind blowing...

PBM ones are more of in the thought process of "should we" "would it be worth it"

what started out as me recording some footage to take screenshots of JTP's new angle, ended up becoming a little teaser of what happened yesterday.

local amateurs got to tango with the pros. epic.

anyways, here's the video, check out JTP's angle.. he didn't even go full lock in this one.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f6SP1sS12XA

Holy shit that's some wicked angle. I want a set of those damn knuckles!!!! AHHHH!!

as usual justin takes to it like hes had it forever

yea, that was his 2nd run at the course. i was like :hahaha:

looks like it might rain today for formula d.. we'll see what happens!!

damn thats alot of angle !!

wow my buddies photo's but wrecked's photo's to shame. i'll see what he's got of you..

oooo here's a good one from cold track days.

https://farm4.static.flickr.com/3250...3565ca3f_o.jpg

snap! I so slow. HAvnt taken a picture of my angle yet. Anyway you seem to got alot of angle there JTP! I dont know if i got more and i feel maxxxed.

Sindre

Sent you a PM about the knuckles.

does anybody run with 18s all around? how much max angle can we get with 18s in the front? I know its not as much as 17s, but anybody doing it? It would lOOKK SICK compared to the staggered setup

i just traded my 17s for a set of 18s, In the front im running 18x8.5 with 225/40/18s and offset is +35 with a 10mm spacer so its at +25 offset and I noticed it significantly took away alot of my angle :( It looks like it brought me back to stock angle. I used to run 17x9 225 /40/17 with +25 offset in front, but yeah moving to 18s take away the angle, damn.... I need bigger spacers and fenders in the front get it to neg. offset. I have pulled/rolled stock front fenders...

dude only a +25 offset is whats killing your angle not the fact that they are 18s

so i have a couple questions for you pro or high level drifters about this mod, i figure you guys would be the ones to talk to. sound advice needed.

will it effect my toe in/out and make my 7 not so much a daily driver w/o major tire wear?

would it be better to start with this mod over Mazdatrix steering angle kit? cost vs immediate performance for my level of driving.

i'm still NA and on a budget because i'm attending UTI so i have to choose my upgrades wisely. i don't wanna spend the money on something that won't help me at my current skill level, amateur. i hit lock occasionally but i don't have enough power or maybe skill to keep my speed up at that angle. so if this is only for super angle i'll most likely pass and get the steering angle kit from Mazdatrix. or would it be better to go a different route?