lov-2-rev

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Answer this:

If we (the collective members) are not allowed to link to ebay, even for somthing as innocent as photographic clarification on an item, then why is it fine and dandy for direct links to appear in the advertising headers, directing us to eBay and specific rotary items for sale there? Is IB affraid of a little competition?
"Do as I say, not as I do."

I'm not one to raise a stink over trivial things, but that's just wrong.

-Jesse

GoodfellaFD3S

iTrader: (213)

Where are these ebay links you're talking about?

Btw, the reason ebay links arent allowed is simple:

There is a lot of scamming that goes on via ebay, and those are issues we have no control over and don't want to deal with. As it is we have members on this board getting ripped off at a high rate, there's no reason to make the problem worse.

gsl-se addict

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He is talking about these:

https://www.rx7club.com/attachment.p...1&d=1207230006

GoodfellaFD3S

iTrader: (213)

In my opinion, you guys really need to cool it with the conspiracy theories.

I can speak for the moderating team and say that we had nothing to do with those ads, and are as much in the dark as you are. It's being looked into.....

Icemark

Ebay is paying for those ads.

If you wish to pay for your ebay auction to be advertised here please PM me and I will get you in contact with IB.

rowtareh?

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It's simple, this is NOT an auction site. It's a car forum with the ADDITION of a classifieds section. Luckily the classifieds are still up as some people have businesses catering to the selling of parts and cars, and it's helping YOU get your project car finished.

Stop with the complaining, seriously.

banzaitoyota

Justin, as a moderator, YOU are the one who is supposed to be keeping a level head. Your last post does not appear that way. Just an observation............

banzaitoyota

And those with the most experience with providing a selection of parts to choose from are being economically discriminated against with IB's inconsistant advertising rate quotes. Which we were told a answer was coming "shortly" after the moderators conference call. We have still heard NOTHING that brings resolution to the situation.

Heisenberg

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I'm sure the auction will be over by the time we hear anything back.

How is the summary of the Mod meeting coming along?

lov-2-rev

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Rich, I agree that there are quite a few scams that take place on eBay, as well as here on the forums. I now see that my quip about "competition" was in bad taste and is being taken for more then face value. I can honestly say that I'm not a "conspiricy theorist" by any stretch of the imagination.
But by your own accounts...
...isn't it in everyones interest here to not have these links, especially to sellers and items that may have absolutly no affiliation to Rx7club? It seems to only exacerbate the problem.

Mark, I understand that ebay, like any other vendor, is entitled to advertisement for their money spent. But isn't anyone thinking of the ramifications before accepting their money, or were we just blinded by the dollar signs $$$. I personally have no interest in creating links to eBay for the purpose of sales. I rairly sell stuff there, so..... No, I don't wish to advertise my auctions, or be led to anyone elses for that matter.

Both of you have conversed with me on the forums in the past and hopefully understand that I'm an intelligent individual who holds no malice towards you or the work the rest of the moderators do.

As for Justin....
I haven't spoken, nor delt with you before. I couldn't agree with you more though. This is not an auction site. I do find the classified section an invaluable tool when it comes to getting the parts I need.
As a matter of fact, my complaint has nothing to do with the classified's. I'm not sure where you got that idea from or why you have taken that approach as a rebuttal, but it's pretty flimsy. My (honest to goodness) interest only lies with the links to eBay, and that's all.

"Get to the point, Jesse!"
If I can't link to an image on eBay to aid in conveying a description or to get my point across to another forum member(not to sell an item); I can't fathom why it's acceptible for an eBay auction to be advertised here simply because it has "Rotary" in the title.
Seriously, I'm not just complaining. It's tantamount to the division of church and state (on an order of lesser importance). Wouldn't we all be a little better off not having this type of advertisment?

Banzai has his own point to make, but that isn't for me to debate as I'm not a business. I will agree that the level of quality sellers and parts has gone down dramitically since the inception of these new rules.


Thanks for your time guys.

Icemark

As far as the mod end, everything has been discussed and written down and ready to go into play. Unfortunately some of the staff has been overwhelmed with personal or sickness issues and has not had a chance to post up the rules and changes to the board TOS and FAQ.



Also the Doctor has been working with IB to get some rates specific to our community. Since many of the vendors in the RX-7 are really cottage rather than a true brick and motor or even fancy online store, but rather working just with limited and custom RX-7 parts it was addressed that these people need to have rates appropriate, and not the types of rates that big companies like ebay or autozone pay. I know from personal communication with the doc that he is fighting hard for our members with IB on this.

Heisenberg

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Thank you for the update. I think one of the larges issues around here is the lack of communication. It gets frustrating to see the enforcement and changes taking effect immediatly. Especially when it comes to issues of sudden enforcement of a rule that has been allowed to slide over the years. Just as a suggestion, I think things would go over much smoother if a fair warning was given in some sort of announcement, that a change is going to take effect or in the works. If this were to happen i think you would see less of the backlash that you do when people wake up to find things sprung upon them. Just like with the issue of the classified section as well as the current one with the Kills section. If you were to do this you would also get the feedback from the community to include in the moderator discussion. This would give you a much more broad set of views before coming to a final decision.

Also keep in mind that when we are told somthing like we are going to get a summary in a couple of days after a meeting chances are we are going to hold you to your word. There really is no sense in announcing something that is not going to happen. It just gives you guys less credibility. But I do give thanks to people who really are fighting to make this place better.

Icemark

The problem with feedback from the community is that not all the members have the community in their best interests. And very very few are fighting to make this place better. Some just like stirring up ****. Some like telling lies or personal paranoia to get the herd stampeding. Some really see the place as evil and won't stop destroying it until they are banned. Would you want these to be putting in input on what can make this community better?

Not saying that there are not great members, there are many great ones... but not all have the same sense of giving up your free time and in some cases compromising your personal life that many of the mod staff do. So any decision is posted and discussed before implementation.

Not to say that all the mod staff are perfect either. I can think of one mod just recently that got himself first stripped of mod powers and eventually banned from promoting his own agenda and literally hurting the community here. Yet he never saw it that way. The way he saw it, what he was/is making off the RX-7 community justifies his actions to himself, regardless of who it hurts here.

But the majority of the mod staff just want everyone to get along, don't want to change anything, and want harmony for the board. I just wish more members did.

Heisenberg

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Well thats what I see as the difference between Comments & Suggestions vs Feedback. For instance had there been some sort of headline in the Classifieds section along the lines of "Attention:For effective on "date" we will be strictly implimenting these rules". Then give the people a description of what has been sliding and that you are going to start laying the smack down. At that point 1) You give people fair warning so when they receive a warning that has not been implemented in years they don't feel singled out or that a moderator has a vendetta against them. 2)At that point you get comments and suggestions from the people before it is implemented to fine tune it if need be.

It just seems to me as if the changes are rash and not well thought out and rushed. Even if you are going to implement something such as stricter enforcement in the classified section you should have resolutions for the people who will be effected in particular instances such as Fritz and RR. Instead of just giving them a warning and telling them tough **** you can either pay an amount that isn't worth it to you or you can stop selling. Because by doing this you just **** them off and you get the backlash you are seeing. By giving a warning as the the implementation you would hear the voice of concern from these people probably in a less hostile manner and can attempt to sort out the things, like you are now, beforehand. Even now I think a wiser move would have been to suggest to the people as to why you shouldn't change the kills section, instead of changing it and then telling the people to give you a reason why you should change it back.

I understand it's not a democracy. But my guess is if you included input from the community before the implementation of major decisions or at least listened to them, it would go over much smoother and wiser decisions would be made.

banzaitoyota

I did receive a PM concerning the new rates; but they still are not "cottage industry friendly". Hopefully something will come of the "other package" Omicron is eluding too.

Rx-7Doctor

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The topic was Ebay and this has been discussed with Ib. Ebay links or referencing ads to ebay are just not going to be allowed. Never have been in the past and are not going to be in the future.

This topic is closed. :-)