No, not when they're smuggled into our country from down south and used by morons to commit crimes. We don't need or want the US gun problem up here, thank you very much.

 

Well said!

 

If that's the case, can you explain to me why I'd be fined majorly, if not jail time, if I was caught killing that damn racoon who lives in my freaking attic? Just because the abundance of an animal causes an inconvenience in your lifestyle should not give you the right to end their lives based on your judgement call.

Can you gaurantee a single headshot kill every single time? Good luck trying to convince anyone that all the gamers nation wide pull a painless kill every single time.

However, this wasn't even my point. My point was that I think no one should have the right call upon another animal's death, for fun, or for whatever other reasons that conveniences the individual. No, we don't ban wolves because they kill to sustain themselves, not for fun.

As matter of fact, I never cared nor gave much thought about animals until this thread. Anyways, my point again is, to me there's a huge difference between killing to sustain ourselves, as opposed to killing for fun. Another point I was trying to make was that I think it's terrible how many people take the killing of moose/ducks/birds much more lightly than domesticated pets. They're all live animals, and they should all be treated the same.

I hate the double standards.

If hunting is legally allowed, and accepted by the public, as is the case now, I don't see any reason why what you're doing is bad. Similarly, I should be able to go into my attic at this moment and rip the head off of those damn racoons, legally. Again:

I hate the double standards.

LOL.... I was getting a paintball gun and mask. Is that ok?

Actually, I'm pretty sure they do. You live in the boonies, and I can tell from your posts that although you hunt, you have great respect for animals and life. Maybe you don't go around and just shooting things, but too many others do.

wow... that was well-said....

LOL.. wtf... nice logic buddy... I'm not even sure how you derived that conclusion, but anyways.... Look above, I actually like guns. Guns don't kill people; people kill people. But anyways this has nothing to do with our discussion.

Howi

 

^^^ Yep!^^^

 

Raccoons are pests, if they are in your attic you can remove them with live traps, I have done this many times!


You don't shoot for the head, you shoot for the vital organs, the heart, the lungs, ect. This is just lack of education, how can you be against something you know little about?

Howi, do you like chicken? If the answer is yes well, guess what, when you cut the head off they live for 5-mins after, they have full limb movment, and everything, not the most pleasing sight.

It is different, people haven't raised the moose, geese ect. from birth, or infancy, they are part of the food chain, people still use them to live off of on a daily basis. Now the seal hunt, don't get me started on that.

If you eat meat, you just set a double standard; it's ok for the farmer to kill, but as long as the blood isn't on your hands it's all good.

You can, why don't you? You could try more humane ways of doing it, like live traps, then seal the attic off.

Again.


No it's not ok... No other places to buy paint ball stuff, if I don't support a particular store I don't shop there.

How do you know? Not every where is the GTA where people shoot people; around here people have a general respect for each other. Do you see people on the 403 with rifles waiting to shoot a deer? I have never seen it up here, the odd farmer might shoot one because it's being a pest, he is protecting his assests.

 

Here are your rights, just live trap them.

http://www.torontohumanesociety.com/.../raccoons.html

 

Been there done that. But my point is, if I just kill it, I'd be fined/jailed.

Racoons are animals too.

Sure. You're absolutely right that I have not shot an animal in the head and watched how it died. Nor have I shot an animal in the vital organs. Lack of education? Absolutely. But your logic is terribly flawed. My questions earlier still applied - can you gaurantee a vital organ kill every single time? Can you tell me that all the gamers nation wide pull a humane vital organ kill every single time?

Is it required for you to have killed someone in the past, or have the knowledge of how to kill somone efficiently, to hate murderers? Hopefully not....

Again, I believe this piece of information has not nothing to do with our discussion. I don't have to know to kill someone, or what happens after I chop a humans head off, to believe that murdering is not right.

This is EXACTLY my point! Think about what you're implying Nismo - it's ok to kill for pleasure and/or for your own convenience as long as it's an animal that you don't have much feeling/emotions towards! Fine, let's say this way of thinking is accepted and is just the way it is, then there shouldn't be any regulation protecting the racoons in my attic. I sure as hell did not raise that racoon and I don't see a trend of humans having racoons as pets. Doulbe standards.

I love meat. And to some extremists, yes I agree with you, I can see how they think it's a double standard. But everyone has their own sets of standards that they live by, things that each individual believe is acceptable or not. You have yours, and I have mine. Again, to me personally, I believe it's ok to kill for sustaining hunger, but it's not ok to kill for pleasure. But that's just me.

But Nismo, standards are subjective and are difficult to debate about. At the end of the day, you'll go home and do your things as I will with my things. The double standards I'm arguing about are the hypocrisy found in the legal system. That's hard facts we can discuss about, don't you agree? Legally, we can go hunt, at the same time, legally, I'm not allow to kill my racoons. Do you understand what I'm trying to say Nismo?

lol.. good point...

You're right, people in GTA don't camp on the 403 with a rifle, what they do is go to their cottages or parks in the weekends to game. They're killing purely for pleasure.

But ya... people shooting people is a MUCH bigger problem..

Howi

 

Then hire some one to do it.


Nothing is a sure thing, well other than all living creatures eventually expiring. What would you rather happen, you hitting as deer breaking a few legs and watching/listening to it die infront of you, or shoot it with a gun and control the over population? I've seen both, and will they don't make pleasant sounds at all.

No, it's education that is required to go hunting, they tell you where to shoot, and if I'm not mistaken, head shots are illegal.


Whats this have to do with humans, this was about animals, aniamls are made for the survival of OTHER animals, it's a food chain, we happen to be at the top...

I agree, who would go hunting for the neighbours dog? If the thing was running around biting people then yeah, somethign has to be done. Wild animals that have been known for causing fatalities because they are over populated should be controlled, do they kill animals when the dog kills a kid? YUP.

I have no clue as to why you can't exterminate a raccoon, I don't make the laws, I just follow them. To me it sounds like a GTA thing, they are disease carrying animals, maybe they don't want the nieghbourhood dogs, cats and other domesticated animals eatting the remains and dying from the poisons, or contracting rabies. I don't have an answer for that!!

You think people just kill the animal because it's fun? They get meat off of it, and it's relatively cheap, not to mention MUCH healthier than the store bought crap full of steroids, and other junk.

Well you see, you called them YOUR raccons, so you have bonded emotionally with them, and would be consided pets sorry about your luck.

Like I said before I think the extermination of 'coons is a GTA thing, never heard of it here, maybe they are just lax on enforcement.


OK, they don't have hunting seasons in the summer, you can't hunt in parks, if you get caught hunting on Crown land you are in BIG DOO DOO. People might fish up at the cottages. How do you know so much about this? Is it hearsay? Or have you taken part in such trips to the cottage?

Thats funny, maybe if you had deer to shoot there would be less man on man crime? j/k

Kevin

 

lol... You know, I'm getting kindda tired from thinking so much about things I honestly don't care that much about... I'm not even much of an animal person to begin with...

Can all of you just kindda look away for a brief moment while I take care of my racoon problem?

Howi

 

I hate irrational, un-educated, city-slicker, left-wing logic.

For the most part i think the bigger issue here is the fact that you'd be discharging a firearm within close proximity to other people, like in urban areas.

Now i don't know where you live, and unless you live out in the country, there are likely people living within 500 yards of your house. That's where the problem lies, not WHAT you kill, but WHERE you kill it.

You're absolutly right. Sometime's hunter's miss the mark, especially young/inexperienced hunter...**** happens.

Here's what generally can happen...

1- Hunter gets perfect shot, animal drops dead on the spot.

2-Hunter gets a close shot, animal runs into the bush, dies within 2-4 mins (depending on animal)

3-Hunter gets brutal shot (like in the gut), animal runs into the bush, hunter chases the animal, finds it, kills it.

4-Hunter gets brutal shot, animal runs off and is never found, animal dies by bleeding out, starvation, predators, etc.

2 and 3 happen the most often. Unfortunatly the number of amazing hunters is about the same as the number of brutal hunters. It's not a formula or anything, that's just how it seems to work out.


And that, my friends, is the problem with society today.

 

funny... me too....

LOL... is this your attempt at a rational, educated, right-wing logic?

Howi

 

Actually, I've seen my cats kill birds, bees and flies just for fun... Should we ban cats?


Just adding a thought here:
Animals attack other animals all the time.Not for self-sustainment, but to protect, defend, assume, or conquer their territory. I should be allowed to do the same for MY territory, which I even pay hefty taxes for.

 

Ahhh..but we're supposedly the more intelligent, reasoning mammal...that's what's supposed to separate us from our brethren creatures on this planet. You are allowed to protect you material belongings within reason. Our social structure is vastly different then say a squirrel or raccoon. Imagine you're one of them..no possessions, struggling every day to find food, shelter, etc...kind of like the bums in downtown Toronto, but at least they can pan handle, or go to a shelter...wildlife fends for it's existence every day.

Think I 'll stop now..I'm drunk atm....

 

Squirrels have nuts, lots of nuts.

 

Tell me about it..one year my 'ol lady planted these tulips that sprouted on our neighbors lawn the next spring

 

LOL!!!

Howi

 

 

I have to say that I agree with Unseen24-7, There are many more important issues. It is really upsetting to hear news about animals that have been killed or abused, and I think that people who can do this nasty **** are totally messed up (and should be punished accordingly), but first lets feed the poor, house the homeless etc...Then we can deal with the animals...

 

well i see a few posers here not gonna name ne pps but if you decide to post, than mabee you should share the same opinion and if you dont care much for animal then **** off and find a different place to post. i hate animal abusers and donate to only one cherity (SPCA). the only one that counts. people can help them selves animals cant,when we take them into our home or trap them. we have the power to change things animals dont . so if you dont support the veiws of us animal lovers then **** off and die

 

kids of the abuser are not to have any pets???
wtf?
what do his kids have to do with it...
so u say if i or my future wife has abused an animal (i dont but just as an example) ... our kids will never be allowed to have a pet?
wrong!

 

animals do