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Old 04-09-07, 05:08 PM
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So for 5 pages we've been talking about JDM FD's and RHD versus LHD.


What about JDM FC's and FB's? More specifically, the turbo models that we didnt get, like the Savanna GT FB (Turbo 12A) and the Turbo Convertable? Any opinions on those?
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That has more to do with 'our' very lame and very lax driver training system..




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i'm not big on RHD cars period. Some ******** barely know how to make a safe left turn in a LHD car, and when i'm crossing an intersection on my bike.... it's not fun getting nailed.
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An infini V would be nice.. I had a line from a dealer on an IV ($3600 ), but ~ 16 days earlier I had bought another car.. bah..


Originally Posted by Alak
So for 5 pages we've been talking about JDM FD's and RHD versus LHD.


What about JDM FC's and FB's? More specifically, the turbo models that we didnt get, like the Savanna GT FB (Turbo 12A) and the Turbo Convertable? Any opinions on those?
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I guess theres an organization in canada lobby-ing for the right to lift the 15 year rule to 10 years. Transport minister wants to raise it to 25 years to match the united states. Well, the 'EPA' states anyways.
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I'm seeing a lot of statements regarding that the availability for importation is bringing down the "prestige" of the car. It seems to me that this is more about local elitists protectionism then the car itself, like a "if you're not rich enough to pay an over inflated 20 grand for this car you're not worthy to have one at all" feeling.

I find this rather puzzling, did you buy yours purely on the premise that there arn't so many in Canada and your now one of the "elite" few who own one? or because you actually loved the car for what it is? There is a 18 kid not even four blocks down from me who owns a 94 black FD, was mint condition when he purchased it with 55K , within the first month and a half he detonated the motor. So I really have no qualms about "kids" buying them, as it happens anyways, it's just that only the spoiled or privleged ones can afford it.

Prestige is not singly based on how rare a car is. A perfect example of this is in Japan itself where it has the longest production run of any vehicle in mazda's history, there are tens of thousands of them and yet it is still respected as one of the few pure down to earth sports cars they ever made.

I think it's a wonderful thing that this highly sounght after vehicle is now available to the average consumer, as well as the younger generation willing to work hard and earn the car themselves. Mind you there will always be people who jump in with out knowing what they're getting into, but they will hopefully learn, and if they don't it just seperated the true enthusiast from those on the new fad.

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Originally Posted by Alak
I guess theres an organization in canada lobby-ing for the right to lift the 15 year rule to 10 years. Transport minister wants to raise it to 25 years to match the united states. Well, the 'EPA' states anyways.
If it became 10 years now that would be great because then we could soon have the 99+ Japanese cars like the Evo, R34 and 99+ FD3S that were all great ohh and I forgot the s15.
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Originally Posted by SpinHappy
I'm seeing a lot of statements regarding that the availability for importation is bringing down the "prestige" of the car. It seems to me that this is more about local elitists protectionism then the car itself, like a "if you're not rich enough to pay an over inflated 20 grand for this car you're not worthy to have one at all" feeling.

I find this rather puzzling, did you buy yours purely on the premise that there arn't so many in Canada and your now one of the "elite" few who own one? or because you actually loved the car for what it is? There is a 18 kid not even four blocks down from me who owns a 94 black FD, was mint condition when he purchased it with 55K , within the first month and a half he detonated the motor. So I really have no qualms about "kids" buying them, as it happens anyways, it's just that only the spoiled or privleged ones can afford it.

Prestige is not singly based on how rare a car is. A perfect example of this is in Japan itself where it has the longest production run of any vehicle in mazda's history, there are tens of thousands of them and yet it is still respected as one of the few pure down to earth sports cars they ever made.

I think it's a wonderful thing that this highly sounght after vehicle is now available to the average consumer, as well as the younger generation willing to work hard and earn the car themselves. Mind you there will always be people who jump in with out knowing what they're getting into, but they will hopefully learn, and if they don't it just seperated the true enthusiast from those on the new fad.
Over inflated? I disagree. I would rather pay $20g for a good condition FD than $20g for any brand new compact car out there. I'd even pay $30g (if I had the money) for a rare mint FD than any new car out there.
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Let me ask you, what makes a "dream car" to someone?? When a certain car drives past them and they get all excited and "wish" to one day own one, what is that feeleing? Why do people put pictures of certain cars on their garage walls? Any of these answers can be given to a car with "prestige" as you may put it. And yes to some people the FD has that!!
People have the want for FDs becuase they A) are a remarkable track car and B) have "prestige". I bought the FD for what it is intended like you mention, yes both A and B. But do you think when i was 16 and saw one for the first time i was thinking of owning one just because. No! I saw it, thought it looked exotic and dremt of one day owning one.
Once i did my research and realized the "prestige" of the car i told my self i would work hard and get the job needed to deserve such a vehicle. And you know what i worked my *** off and did just that. If this car shouldnt hold the value that it does, then why do so many people still dream of owning one., or try so hard to bring a JDM one over? Do you honestly think that every JDM car being brought over is for track use or for what the car is ment, a pure sports machine??? NO, these cars are being brought over for that same word "prestige". And every person that could not have it before is wanting it (except a small few that want it for track only)

In no way do i think FD owners are better or anything then other people. I have had a few FC's myself, my brother had a FC and i have friends with FC's, i am friends with everyone. But the point being made by many is that if you cant afford the FD price here, your going to be driving a jolopy JDM one!

On a side note, im going over to the Ferrarri forum to tell them that they think their cars are better then others. and that the prices of then should come down so i too can afford one. PFFFT who do they think they are, driving a dream car that i shouldnt be able to own too. Ill show them !!!

Originally Posted by SpinHappy
I'm seeing a lot of statements regarding that the availability for importation is bringing down the "prestige" of the car. It seems to me that this is more about local elitists protectionism then the car itself, like a "if you're not rich enough to pay an over inflated 20 grand for this car you're not worthy to have one at all" feeling.

I find this rather puzzling, did you buy yours purely on the premise that there arn't so many in Canada and your now one of the "elite" few who own one? or because you actually loved the car for what it is? There is a 18 kid not even four blocks down from me who owns a 94 black FD, was mint condition when he purchased it with 55K , within the first month and a half he detonated the motor. So I really have no qualms about "kids" buying them, as it happens anyways, it's just that only the spoiled or privleged ones can afford it.

Prestige is not singly based on how rare a car is. A perfect example of this is in Japan itself where it has the longest production run of any vehicle in mazda's history, there are tens of thousands of them and yet it is still respected as one of the few pure down to earth sports cars they ever made.

I think it's a wonderful thing that this highly sounght after vehicle is now available to the average consumer, as well as the younger generation willing to work hard and earn the car themselves. Mind you there will always be people who jump in with out knowing what they're getting into, but they will hopefully learn, and if they don't it just seperated the true enthusiast from those on the new fad.
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I completely agree with the 2 last posts... 1/2 the reason I personaly got an FD was because of its "prestige" and I'm not ashamed to say it. It's the reason I spend as much time waxing it and staring at it as I do driving the crap out of it. It would definitely turn me off if 3 other people in my neighborhood had FD's. If that's elitist, so be it... my neighbor also has a silver Suzuki Swift + exactly like mine and that bugs me too.

I understand the JDM argument of "8k + 10k in fix-ups (and that's a conservative figure) is still only 18k", but there are plenty of properly maintained FD's here with freshly rebuild engines and complete history packages available for 20k... you just have to look for them. And they have the steering wheel on the left side. As someone who has a JDM Savanna, I find it a pain in the *** to drive on the wrong side of the car.

All the cars I have seen up to now coming from Japan dont look remotely in perfect condition and are all bought sight unseen which means there's no way to know what you're getting into. If you actually own an FD, already know how expensive this car is to maintain and dont have tons of money to burn, you already know to stay the hell away from FD's you cant even test drive before buying.

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I'm throwing down for "Thumbs Up" after sitting in one at RPM. I love the smaller cabin, call me a short, skinny guy elitist.
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Theres something to be said about a nice smooth driving Automatic JDM FD .

I donno about anyone else, but when I was in japan, I noticed ALOT, and I mean ALOT of 'Super Sports' cars with Automatics. 300ZX's, Skylines, FD's, Supra's. And I dont mean stockers either, I mean 500HP beasts.


Here Automatic is so rare is accually worth something.
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JDM FD, well the subject line says thumbs up or down so...

My thumb's down.

I'm seeing a lot of statements regarding that the availability for importation is bringing down the "prestige" of the car.

They made how many THOUSAND FD's? Errr.... sorry, not MADE, "stamped out".

Want prestige? Then go buy a REAL exotic, or semi-exotic car.
My car was built by hand, lovingly with craftsmanship... your FD's were stamped out on an
assembly line.

I'm not knocking FD's, mind you. I like them, and love 7's in general, I already own 2 gen's of
7's, but you guys need to pull your heads out of your asses. There's NOTHING RARE about an FD. Nor exotic.

[edit] (below) This is MY TVR 390se,1 of 103 EVER made. That's rare, and you FD guys need
to get real.

[edit 2] There's no "prestige" in driving a FD.... only a BIG EGO. And while I might
sound high and mighty mentioning my truly rare car, it's only to slap you FD guys
into your rightful place.... which is also my rear view mirror.

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Originally Posted by Ctrl
JDM FD, well the subject line says thumbs up or down so...

My thumb's down.

I'm seeing a lot of statements regarding that the availability for importation is bringing down the "prestige" of the car.

They made how many THOUSAND FD's? Errr.... sorry, not MADE, "stamped out".

Want prestige? Then go buy a REAL exotic, or semi-exotic car.
My car was built by hand, lovingly with craftsmanship... your FD's were stamped out on an
assembly line.

I'm not knocking FD's, mind you. I like them, and love 7's in general, I already own 2 gen's of
7's, but you guys need to pull your heads out of your asses. There's NOTHING RARE about an FD. Nor exotic.

[edit] (below) This is MY TVR 390se,1 of 103 EVER made. That's rare, and you FD guys need
to get real.

[edit 2] There's no "prestige" in driving a FD.... only a BIG EGO. And while I might
sound high and mighty mentioning my truly rare car, it's only to slap you FD guys
into your rightful place.... which is also my rear view mirror.
Not sure where you're going with this.

So what makes a car rare to you? If there's less than 1000 made? lol. To me rare is something that you rarely see because there simply isn't many of them. How often do you see an FD? (I don't mean a friends car or at meets) I have only randomly seen one other FD in my area in the last 5 years. Sure the FD isn't as rare as your car but that doesn't mean it's not rare.
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Originally Posted by Ctrl
JDM FD, well the subject line says thumbs up or down so...

My thumb's down.

I'm seeing a lot of statements regarding that the availability for importation is bringing down the "prestige" of the car.

They made how many THOUSAND FD's? Errr.... sorry, not MADE, "stamped out".

Want prestige? Then go buy a REAL exotic, or semi-exotic car.
My car was built by hand, lovingly with craftsmanship... your FD's were stamped out on an
assembly line.

I'm not knocking FD's, mind you. I like them, and love 7's in general, I already own 2 gen's of
7's, but you guys need to pull your heads out of your asses. There's NOTHING RARE about an FD. Nor exotic.

[edit] (below) This is MY TVR 390se,1 of 103 EVER made. That's rare, and you FD guys need
to get real.

[edit 2] There's no "prestige" in driving a FD.... only a BIG EGO. And while I might
sound high and mighty mentioning my truly rare car, it's only to slap you FD guys
into your rightful place.... which is also my rear view mirror.


Hahahaha, this is the funniest thing I've read on this forum in a looong time... and what makes it even funnier is that you're serious!!!
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your a joke ctrl.......tvrs can lick the underside of my sweaty nuts
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U can knock my car if you want and all you want smitter, with TVR's build quality there's a lot to knock too.

But that's exactly my issue with FD owners. I know my car's really nothing special, unlike the attitude I read here "oh, look at me, I have an exotic "rare" fd". At least that's the impression I get. So ******* what? You don't see them every day....big deal.

I'm not plugging TVR, I just think FD guys seem a little high on themselves and tend to look down on the FC/FB crowd.
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Originally Posted by HEVNSNT
Not sure where you're going with this.

So what makes a car rare to you? If there's less than 1000 made? lol. To me rare is something that you rarely see because there simply isn't many of them. How often do you see an FD? (I don't mean a friends car or at meets) I have only randomly seen one other FD in my area in the last 5 years. Sure the FD isn't as rare as your car but that doesn't mean it's not rare.
I saw 4 FD's yesterday.... one of which, I'll mention is parked on 16th at Brake Check and for sale if anyone is looking.

You guys sure get pissy quick eh? Did widdle ol' me insult FD's?
I wasn't trying to, and I'd love to own one. I just think FC/FB guys
act less elitest than the FD crowd.
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I saw that silver one parked at brake check. They need to wash it. it looks like all of the puddles on 16th are getting splashed all over it.
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I like the way Shaun0 takes care of his car. Not that I want to drag him into this, but his car never leaves the garage unless the roads are so clean, you can eat off of them.

He doesnt look down on FB/FC crowd because he worked his way up to the FD, he didnt just go out and buy one one day becasue it looked nice.

I cringe at the thought of parking an FD anywhere there isnt a garage over it.
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what kind of reaction did u think u would get ctrl.....after all this is an rx7 club......not a tvr club......as for u thinking us fd owners look down on the fb or fc...........u are sadly mistaken........i would gladly own all 3 if i had the room in my garage.......the fc and the fb do not hold the same "prestige".....simply due to the availabilty and production numbers....but be patient my friend....as their age increases and registered owners decrease.......so will their "prestige"

i appologize for gettin a little heated earlier......and look forward to leaving your tvr in my rearview mirror
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I over reacted too and should apologise.

There was a comment much earlier in this thread where a FD guy said
he'd like to see imports banned to keep his FD fewer in numbers.
Being an import owner, that sort of rubbed me the wrong way, as I
believe in property rights.

As for rear view mirrors, if you want to do it safely, I'll go meet you at RCMP
this summer and run the 1/4 beside you. Loser buys the beer after?
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Only 103 were made because the market is SOOO small and everyone knows that TVR are inline with Lada reliability standards and are build by Guiness lovers from Blackpool.
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^^ i gotta ask 7 Rocket......are u a photographer?.....or just an *** connasuer (sp)
i am assuming the later of the 2.... who enjoys snapping pics of his gfs backside.....keep up the good work.......and keep the pics coming.....haha



ctrl
That was the hole point of this thread....and i still think i have to agree with the rhd fds being a bad idea...i have seen several of them since they have landed here.........6 outta 7 of them were in rough shape.......even saw one covered in 8" of snow parked on the street early one morning (as i posted earlier).....Fd's are almost like a honda civics over in Japan.....they dont get treated with the respect they do here.....just because they were produced in such greater numbers and seeing beat up Fds driven around Calgary can do nothing good for their reputation ("prestige")
How would u feel if u started seing a bunch of beat up tvrs running around

I look forward to drinking some colds ones this summer......i can even afford to lose the race if beer is included in the wager

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Cool, peace man....plz pardon my arrogance last night.... combination of a pissy mood, a few beers and a keybaord to vent.

This might interest you.... as I reel you in, in your rear view mirror ...lol

Carfolio.com doesn't have all stats for all cars, so I picked an FD type R

FD Kerb weight 1260 kg 2778 lb
My Kerb weight 1107 kg 2441 lb (significantly lighter)

FD Wheelbase 2425 mm 95.5 in
My Wheelbase 2388 mm 94.0 in (quite close)

FD Length 4285 mm 168.7 in
My Length 4013 mm 158.0 in (significantly shorter body, hence less overhanging mass to cause under/oversteer, easier to pass, take a position on a track)

FD Width 1760 mm 69.3 in
My Width 1727 mm 68.0 in

FD Height 1230 mm 48.4 in
My Height 1205 mm 47.4 in (full inch lower)

FD Max. output (280.0 bhp) (208.8 kW) @6500 rpm
MY Max. output (275.0 bhp) (205.1 kW) @5500 rpm


FD Max. torque (232 lbft) (32 kgm) @5000 rpm
My Max. torque (270 lbft) (37.3 kgm) @3500 rpm (It "should" beat an FD in acceleration)

But, it tends to boil down to a power to weight ratio yes?

FD Power-to-weight 222.22 bhp/ton
My Power-to-weight 248.42 bhp/ton

The only issue I lose by is 5hp difference.... spread over your extra 300+ pounds...irrelevent.

Souces: http://www.carfolio.com/specificatio...?car=29073&TVR
and
http://www.carfolio.com/specificatio...ar=79530&Mazda

It would be a fun race for sure.... I know you'd have me beat on the revs. I'd buy the beer anyhow if you let me take a quick spin in your car.... with the TVR as collateral if I ever wrecked it.


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