Ontario Drive Clean
You said: "Drive Clean brings exactly $0.00 to the Liberal Coffers and exactly $0.00 of Drive Clean has been spent on pet projects and private contracts."
You said: "By law, Drive Clean must be revenue-neutral"
Your statements show a lack of understanding of reality.
According to many reports, "The program, which requires residents in half of Ontario to get their vehicles checked for emission leaks, took a hit this week when it was revealed it’s running a $19 million surplus." [http://www.lfpress.com/2013/10/30/dr...rivers-fuming]
Just because the "the Liberal government maintains the revenue is neutral" does not mean that it is actually true. Did you receive a check/rebate from that surplus? Are you seriously arguing that the Liberal provincial government should be taken at their word?
To further my point, the provincial Auditor's Report [who is actually and more likely neutral, rather than being partisan] "suggested that the government could face legal issues over the surplus revenue generated from Drive Clean. Drive Clean is supposed to be revenue neutral but it generates millions in fees for the government. In 2012, alone, Drive Clean earned $11 [19 in total] million in profits." [http://www.thestar.com/autos/.../its...nprogram.html]
Just because something should be or could be does not make it so. Your comments are evidence of being blinded by your political ideology and not the facts. Educate yourself.
Unless of course you believe the Auditor General, and about 30 news reporting agencies are all frabricating lies to discredit the flawless and never tainted reputation of the provincial Liberal Government. -laughs-
I love posts where a person says something clearly retarded.
You said: "By law, Drive Clean must be revenue-neutral"
Your statements show a lack of understanding of reality.
According to many reports, "The program, which requires residents in half of Ontario to get their vehicles checked for emission leaks, took a hit this week when it was revealed it’s running a $19 million surplus." [http://www.lfpress.com/2013/10/30/dr...rivers-fuming]
Just because the "the Liberal government maintains the revenue is neutral" does not mean that it is actually true. Did you receive a check/rebate from that surplus? Are you seriously arguing that the Liberal provincial government should be taken at their word?
To further my point, the provincial Auditor's Report [who is actually and more likely neutral, rather than being partisan] "suggested that the government could face legal issues over the surplus revenue generated from Drive Clean. Drive Clean is supposed to be revenue neutral but it generates millions in fees for the government. In 2012, alone, Drive Clean earned $11 [19 in total] million in profits." [http://www.thestar.com/autos/.../its...nprogram.html]
Just because something should be or could be does not make it so. Your comments are evidence of being blinded by your political ideology and not the facts. Educate yourself.
Unless of course you believe the Auditor General, and about 30 news reporting agencies are all frabricating lies to discredit the flawless and never tainted reputation of the provincial Liberal Government. -laughs-
I love posts where a person says something clearly retarded.
Beyond that, it seems pretty clear you do have a political axe to grind - you repeatedly talk about the LIBERAL GOVERNMENT!!!!, despite the fact the legislation was created years before by the Conservatives, and despite nobody saying its not operating at a surplus - although you've also not shown anything to support your allegation that surplus is being spent, as opposed to the funds held in trust - with a clear overtone that this is done maliciously.
Cloudpump stated clearly he doesn't support DriveClean - and has written his MPP to that end. Have you done anything beyond complaining on forums towards getting it abolished? Because you'd do much better to direct your energy there - but not your vitriol, that will just get your email/letter filed in the round cabinet by the office flacks who actually read the mail first.
Also as a side note, before you 'clear up any misconceptions and mistruths' ensure you are factually correct. You are arguing that because Drive Clean is SUPPOSED to be revenue neutral that it is, that arguement is ridiculous.
Whether or not you support Drive Clean or not makes no difference.
The facts are:
1. Drive Clean is NOT revenue neutral.
2. The surplus that is generated yearly by that is used by the governing LIBERALS.
The Auditor General disagrees with you, and so would many others on here.
Keep your insights to yourself unless you have a factual basis for your 'clearing up' of mistruths and misconceptions.
You were right about Conservatives bringing in the program, however it has long since served its purpose, admitted by Conservatives. Which is why they have continued their efforts to end it. However the Liberals who benefit from the surplus it provide argue they are 'protecting the air' for Ontarians.
If you can not see the error in your arguments, you will believe anything.
Whether or not you support Drive Clean or not makes no difference.
The facts are:
1. Drive Clean is NOT revenue neutral.
2. The surplus that is generated yearly by that is used by the governing LIBERALS.
The Auditor General disagrees with you, and so would many others on here.
Keep your insights to yourself unless you have a factual basis for your 'clearing up' of mistruths and misconceptions.
You were right about Conservatives bringing in the program, however it has long since served its purpose, admitted by Conservatives. Which is why they have continued their efforts to end it. However the Liberals who benefit from the surplus it provide argue they are 'protecting the air' for Ontarians.
If you can not see the error in your arguments, you will believe anything.
Wow.
-Geoff
You said: "Drive Clean brings exactly $0.00 to the Liberal Coffers and exactly $0.00 of Drive Clean has been spent on pet projects and private contracts."
You said: "By law, Drive Clean must be revenue-neutral"
Your statements show a lack of understanding of reality.
According to many reports, "The program, which requires residents in half of Ontario to get their vehicles checked for emission leaks, took a hit this week when it was revealed it’s running a $19 million surplus." [http://www.lfpress.com/2013/10/30/dr...rivers-fuming]
Just because the "the Liberal government maintains the revenue is neutral" does not mean that it is actually true. Did you receive a check/rebate from that surplus? Are you seriously arguing that the Liberal provincial government should be taken at their word?
To further my point, the provincial Auditor's Report [who is actually and more likely neutral, rather than being partisan] "suggested that the government could face legal issues over the surplus revenue generated from Drive Clean. Drive Clean is supposed to be revenue neutral but it generates millions in fees for the government. In 2012, alone, Drive Clean earned $11 [19 in total] million in profits." [http://www.thestar.com/autos/.../its...nprogram.html]
Just because something should be or could be does not make it so. Your comments are evidence of being blinded by your political ideology and not the facts. Educate yourself.
You do not have to be a supporter of the Conservative party or any other party to see that Drive Clean is a revenue generating institution, that is a cash grab.
Unless of course you believe the Auditor General, and about 30 news reporting agencies are all frabricating lies to discredit the flawless and never tainted reputation of the provincial Liberal Government. -laughs-
I love posts where a person says something clearly retarded.
You said: "By law, Drive Clean must be revenue-neutral"
Your statements show a lack of understanding of reality.
According to many reports, "The program, which requires residents in half of Ontario to get their vehicles checked for emission leaks, took a hit this week when it was revealed it’s running a $19 million surplus." [http://www.lfpress.com/2013/10/30/dr...rivers-fuming]
Just because the "the Liberal government maintains the revenue is neutral" does not mean that it is actually true. Did you receive a check/rebate from that surplus? Are you seriously arguing that the Liberal provincial government should be taken at their word?
To further my point, the provincial Auditor's Report [who is actually and more likely neutral, rather than being partisan] "suggested that the government could face legal issues over the surplus revenue generated from Drive Clean. Drive Clean is supposed to be revenue neutral but it generates millions in fees for the government. In 2012, alone, Drive Clean earned $11 [19 in total] million in profits." [http://www.thestar.com/autos/.../its...nprogram.html]
Just because something should be or could be does not make it so. Your comments are evidence of being blinded by your political ideology and not the facts. Educate yourself.
You do not have to be a supporter of the Conservative party or any other party to see that Drive Clean is a revenue generating institution, that is a cash grab.
Unless of course you believe the Auditor General, and about 30 news reporting agencies are all frabricating lies to discredit the flawless and never tainted reputation of the provincial Liberal Government. -laughs-
I love posts where a person says something clearly retarded.
If you even read at all, I clearly stated in my post that Drive Clean has not been revenue neutral and that it has turned a profit. That profit however, has not gone back into the provincial budget it is held in trust (geez, I have to repeat myself here).
I have also stated quite clearly that I do not support Drive Clean and I'm not defending the program.
I can't even begin to rebut this post as the amount of keyboard rage that went into it is just overwhelming.
-Geoff
Got my sticker renewal last week, and I still need a test. Some exemption! So I question it with Drive Clean.
Just the tailpipe test!
Originally Posted by driveclean@parsons-canada.com
The application for Grey Market status does not exempt you from having an emission test. The test is still required however the limits have been adjusted to pre 1980's standards.
Grey Market vehicles have never been exempt from testing. The only passenger vehicles that are exempt are 1987 and older model years, current model year and hybrids.
Don't be fooled, plenty of vehicles still fail even under 1980's standards.
With that being said, good luck (seriously, no sarcasm intended).
Don't be fooled, plenty of vehicles still fail even under 1980's standards.
With that being said, good luck (seriously, no sarcasm intended).
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