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Old 12-27-07, 06:50 PM
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Too bad that's all it will ever be.


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Old 12-27-07, 06:56 PM
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Originally Posted by Zero R
Too bad that's all it will ever be.


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Yup, guess I can spend my Furai fund now...lol...I will be amazed if this goes into production.
Old 12-27-07, 07:39 PM
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clean up the front end, make it a two seater and mazda would have one hell of a winner. like a rotary elise
Old 12-27-07, 07:55 PM
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Not what I expected, but not horribly bad. I don't ever see it being a production car...
Old 12-27-07, 08:16 PM
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I like it for what it is, a concept car. I just can't figure out where Mazda is going in the high performance sports car market. I have been feeling for a while now that they have given up on that market. I mean, from what I am seeing, they have nothing even worthwhile in development. Spending all the R&D funds on things that, as cool as they are, can never be. Now if Mazda could only follow the path of Nisan, Toyota, and Honda and build something worthwhile they can put on the road to compete with the other manufacturers. I for one, grew tired of waiting for them and jumped ship to Nissan this year.
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Mazda Furai Concept

Check out the Mazda concept, "Furai takes Mazda's unique Nagare (Japanese for "flow") design language a step further as it is translated into a concept car based on an American Le Mans Series (ALMS) racing car. The car utilizes the Courage C65 chassis the company campaigned in the ALMS series only two seasons ago, and the 450-hp three-rotor rotary engine that distinguishes it from anything else on the track."

Spec on the Courage C65 chassis

2003-2005 Courage C65 LMP2 Specifications
Designer: Paolo Cantone
Layout: Mid-engine, rear-wheel drive
Monocoque: Carbon fiber and aluminum honeycomb monocoque
Gearbox: Hewland TLS, 6 speed sequential + reverse
Steering: Rack and pinion
Suspension: Double wishbones, pushrods, horizontally located Dynamic spring damper units
Wheels: Magnesium
Front 18“ diameter x11“ width
Rear 18” diameter x 13” width
Brakes: Carbon or steel
Diameter 355 mm x 35 mm thick
Length: 4650 mm
Width: 1970 mm
Wheelbase: 2790 mm
Front overhang: 860 mm
Rear overhang: 1010 mm
Front track: 1750 mm
Rear track: 1600 mm
Weight: 738 kgs. (2003 Le Mans)
798 kgs. (2004 Le Mans average)
781 kgs. (2005 Le Mans average)
Tank capacity: 90 liters

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Old 12-27-07, 09:15 PM
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wow...ive only seen the concept pictures, that looks amazing, i would definitely take one. I has the same futuristic, post-modern feel that the FD has.
Old 12-27-07, 09:23 PM
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Wow, that looks totally badass. I wasn't expecting it to be anywhere near that sexy.
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I could see it being a production car. A production Hotwheels
Old 12-27-07, 10:05 PM
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Definitely has a futuristic RX-792 theme going on.... that and the front half of a (insert fighter jet here) with 4 wheels and a spoiler tagged on it.
Old 12-27-07, 10:10 PM
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come on guys have faith, its clear that Mazda needs a car that can rival the new GTR, the new RX8 is coming out in 2010. But i have faith that Mazda will bring out a new RX7.
Old 12-27-07, 10:22 PM
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Its a design study so it will never become anything but I sure hope it makes its way into GT5 =)

Most beautiful car I'v ever seen finally something to top my love for the McLaren F1
Old 12-27-07, 10:29 PM
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That would make one cool super car. With just a little touch up to the front otherwise...
Old 12-27-07, 10:38 PM
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That has some great body lines. There are some small little difference I would make to tone it down a little. But with a 450hp 3 rotor a lot of things can be over looked.
Old 12-27-07, 10:44 PM
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What is it?
Mazda Furai Concept


What's special about it?
Remember Mazda's overall win at the 24 Hours of Le Mans in 1991? The rotor-heads at Mazda sure do, and they created the Furai as a reminder of that accomplishment. Half concept car dreamery, half prototype racer, the Furai is less a car than a statement of Mazda's intention to re-enter the fabled endurance race at some undisclosed time, presumably in the near future.

Translating literally to "sound of wind," which we're certain is not intended to recall dinner with the Klumps, the Furai (say foo-RYE) is capable of making noise. The basis of the Furai is a 2005 Courage C65 chassis — itself formerly an LMP2-class entry in the American Le Mans Series — that Mazda reskinned in the style of its Nagare concept car. It's the fifth such design exercise as Mazda works to develop a new design language for the future, preceded by the Nagare, Ryuga, Hakaze and Taiki concepts. The company remains mum on when these design cues will finally take root in a production car.

The Furai's aggressive lines are the product of Mazda's studio in Southern California led by North American design boss Franz Von Holzhausen. Further developed by the prodigious brainpower of the racecar wizards at Swift Engineering, the Furai has been shaped with an eye toward function as well as form. Swift worked concurrently with Mazda's design team and performed computational fluid dynamics to ensure the concept wouldn't take flight and made sure the hot-running rotary had proper cooling.

Considering the Furai has never seen a wind tunnel, its ability to generate about 80 percent of the downforce of the original race-spec bodywork is respectable indeed. In fact, Mike Page of Swift Engineering is confident that the Furai could be made fully competitive without wholesale changes: "The overall form is solid. As it sits, it's a happy medium between form and function."

Most concept cars don't run. Heck, most of them don't even have engines. By contrast, the Furai is a runner, a point that Mazda was keen to emphasize by wedging us into the cockpit for a couple of hot laps around Mazda Raceway Laguna Seca piloted by ALMS ace Jamie Bach. There's barely space for a second person in the tight cabin of the former racecar, which sports a passenger seat only because class rules demand it.

Powered by a mid-mounted, three-rotor Mazda 20B rotary engine fueled by E100 ethanol, the Furai generates around 450 horsepower. As expected, it's rapid. Even without its aerodynamic front splitter (a measure to prevent damage to this one-off showcar), the cornering grip is substantial, while even earplugs can't control the crescendo of sound from the rotary engine. Bach kept things tidy and clean in the corners, as the Furai we're sharing is the same one that will occupy the stage at the Detroit auto show.

In addition to advice about the bodywork, Swift also contributed an innovative intake configuration. Unlike a traditional F1-style snorkel, the Furai breathes through a shallow, leaflike cup known informally as an "air fang." It looks something like the bow of a boat, rising proud of the roof in order to breathe relatively clean, turbulence-free air that has not been de-energized by the boundary layer. As the air rushes past, twin vortices on either side of the device are generated, which then dump fresh air directly down the intake without incurring the efficiency losses of a traditional snorkel. It's an elegant solution in keeping with the Furai's design theme.

The Furai sounds sensational at full cry. As we exited Turn 11 onto the main straight with the sound of the rotary exhaust reverberating off the concrete pit wall, the effect was not of a lone car, but instead an entire field of endurance racers. With the Furai, Mazda is suggesting that this aural deception will soon become a reality as it moves to join Acura and Porsche in an assault on the 24 Hours of Le Mans.

What's Edmunds' take?
It's fit for neither road-car duty nor true motorsports competition, but that's not the point. The Furai provides a glimpse of both Mazda's future design direction and its motorsports intent. — Jason Kavanagh, Engineering Editor
Old 12-27-07, 10:46 PM
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Originally Posted by BigWillieStyles
come on guys have faith, its clear that Mazda needs a car that can rival the new GTR, the new RX8 is coming out in 2010. But i have faith that Mazda will bring out a new RX7.
I fell into the RX-8 thinking it was the next great rotary by mistake. Full faith in Mazda, full speed ahead, bought the first one at the dealer, the day they arrived. Soon as I figured out the Renesis was never going to hold boost, it was gone. I held on to that thing for almost 3 years waiting for something to happen, so unless they are dropping a 20B with twin turbos into the next one, I've no interest.

I wanted to for the longest believe that Mazda was going to bring something to the table, but go have a look at the Mazda website, and look at their concept cars. What do you really think? Unless they have it buried somewhere I see nothing coming for a long time.

Nissan's GTR project started 7 years ago, and stayed focused and on track. Not sure how long ago Toyota started with the Lexus LFA, but the prototype is running laps at the ring so it's close. Honda is next with their NSX replacement and they appear to be moving in the right direction. For the most part, when you look at the other manufacturers concept vehicles, you see things that look plausible for a production car, something they may actually build in our lifetime, or at least before we are to old to care. I don't see that with most of Mazda's prototypes. Maybe it will all make sense in 2030.

I sure hope they do something, but I'm no longer waiting for it. If it happens great. Till then, I will keep my FD as it was the last real sports car Mazda made.
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Old 12-27-07, 11:21 PM
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Originally Posted by kwerks
Well Porsche is legally acquiring VW & Audi so i'm sure it has to do with it and now that the Audi R10 has about 20 restrictions on it I doubt they will run next yr unless something gives. I'd like to know how much Mazda actually helps out the BK motor sports program vs other teams. You know in F1 they have everything calculated to the dollar and you can see who's rolling where...unless its Toyota which is the odd ball spending like mad and not finishing on podium.

An interesting thing is how close Penske team and porsche support is because Porsche claims its not a factory team but its operated like one. Now Dyson will run the Porsche's for some added competition. Can't wait for the 08 season to get aired

I'm sure the budget Penske has lets them spend extra on tips
I'm a little late, but according to the guys in the pits at Road America this past year the Mazda effort was on the order of 7-10 million for the entire season. I believe they said that included the car (purchased from courage) and the motor dev (purchased from AER). The Penske effort for the season (with 2 cars) is estimated by Mazda officials as on the order of 100-150 million, and that isn't including all the car or motor development, which they have done themselves over the past few years.

The Mazda car is very nice to look at, but when you go to the Penske pits it's obvious the difference. The Penske crews literally detail their semis down to polishing the radiator. Not a spec of dust *anywhere*. You have to assume that with that level of detail on something so unimportant that they are doing the same with the things that are important. They have entire cars worth of spare parts in the 4 haulers they bring. They have steak dinners for staff, VIPs and workers at the track, pretty much anything they want from tools to tires to test days all over the country.

To me, in some small way, it feels similar to the difference between me showing up at NASA events with my pickup and $3000 trailer pulling my ~$25k tiny rotary powered wind up toy stuck together with blood and tears and try to beat up on the guys who roll in with Renegade toter-homes that they spent $300k on containing cars worth $100k+ that the owners don't even work on.

If you can run with them even for a short time, you consider it a success. If you can beat them it's a huge victory.

That said, I'd love to see what Mazda thinks they get out of the program. I'm in it for fun, what are they in it for?
Old 12-28-07, 07:16 AM
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Furai 3 Rotor Revealed

http://jalopnik.com/338324/detroit-a...furai-revealed
Old 12-28-07, 08:17 AM
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I love it, its sad, a new rotary concept comes out and not many people here care.
Old 12-28-07, 08:19 AM
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too bad the 7 (if it comes) will look more like an 8 then this thing.
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Wow, where can I get some wallpaper photos?
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Now that looks good. Nice find!

God Bless,
Old 12-28-07, 09:02 AM
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http://www.edmunds.com/insideline/au...azdafurai02500

more info. I especially like the powerplant. 3rotor 20b eninge. 450hp. is it a Test mule?


**oops missed the longer thread. oh well.

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Old 12-28-07, 09:08 AM
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Damn Fritz beat me to it...also here:

http://www.edmunds.com/insideline/au...aiconcept.html

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