23Racer

Based on the good will of a certain JDK, I will look at doing a CSCS Event this year and maybe even a Sigma. I am a bit concerned that my car will be lumped in with Jim's fire breathing beast and other Turbo cars, as I will get royally smoked. Are there classes for Turbo and non-turbo race cars? Is it based on weight and Mods or what classifies a car?

Are there any other classes that my car will fit in? What is an average event like, I'm talking schedule, security of pit area (stuff getting liberated), noise issues, open lapping with passing in corners, etc......

How about at track Medical Support or event organizing? It has always seemed to be a bit wild and woolly to me, but I am willing to give it a go if it is a positive experience in the overall.

Eric

IAN

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I'm lumped in with the new porsche corvettes EVO's, STI's etc. I don't stand a chance. First off they take the rotary and times it by 1.8? or something and the turbo rotary automatically gets to go in the A class in Sigma. When I did the CASC Solo1 I event last year I was GT1 or something. But I am sooo slow. Funny trying to compete against cars with double the horse power, 20years newer and traction control just mash the gas and let the car drive itself. Point and squeeze.

In other words at sigma I get to compete against JDK! But for me its about racing the clock and improving my times.

Do the sigma I will be at all events. Nice to meet up again.....

IAN

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http://www.sigmatimeattack.com/time-attackology-301/

Class rules for sigma.

CS13B

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http://cscs.ca/images//2011%20cscs%2...20rulebook.pdf

As far as I know, if you're running slicks, you're forced into Unlimited RWD class which is the class Jim runs in, along with Sasha Anis' 350z, and the APH EVO IX and others.
If you run a DOT tire with a UTQG of 50 or higher you might be able to run in the Super Street class.
I've never seen the car in person Eric, so based on the extent of how 'race-ready' the car sounds based on your other threads, you may be lumped into the Unlimited class.

You definitely get more track time per dollar at Sigma, they are so so so well organized there.

I've never heard of anything being stolen from either event and most people just leave their tools and trailers open while the cars are out on the track. Other than that I'll let someone chime in that has actually run their car there lol.

23Racer

My car has been a race car since 1997 and has done about 8,000 kms of race mileage, so I guess its a race car, LOL. I will need to run it on r-compounds to stay away from Jim and Sasha. I know their cars and they are way out of my hp/weight class.

If I am going to get lumped in with Jim and Sasha due to mods, I might as well bring out my other car. Its a Pro-built ex Speed WC car and about 3 seconds a lap faster at Mosport Grand Prix. I just am not a huge fan of the Mosport DDT. Its a bit to Solo II like. TMP is okay, Shannonville would be better, but I need to think about it some and figure out what makes sense.

Eric

CS13B

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You can always call to find out if your mods in the Rx-7 will bump you up a class or not, I'm really not sure.

2Fierce

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To chime in,

for CSCS @ Cayuga (where 3 of the events are this year) your car with proper tires in the unlimited class will actually be very competitive. Jim has a hard time putting his power down to be honest, you can make up a lot of time in the infield. Ideally if your car is NA and you can stay on the throttle and maintain momentum, you should be very fast. It's very hard on your brakes and tires. So bring good pads.

We will be making a few changes to the TA setup this year to really make things interesting, stay tuned...

01Racing

Dont be such a weeny lol, just bring it out and run what ya brung wherever it fits in! The nice part about these events (at least the Sigma one) are that they are back to what its supposed to be.............lots of fun with no crap unlike some other racing series lol.

Bwek

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racer23 your car will be fine and somewhat competitive at cayuga, My Stock FC with coilovers did ok there against much higher powered cars (at least on friday night lapping)

JDK

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Alan B took the words out of my mouth.....would be great to see all you guys coming out to a few of these events, more RX7's the better

Terrh

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I built my car around sigma's rules for last season, then they went and changed 'em to make everything be in the fast class vs the slow class.

Oh well, I'll do fine either way if I can figure out how to drive it well.

The class bump for rotaries is kinda crappy. Basically all the rotaries are in class A except n/a cars with crappy tires.

I proposed a displacement modifier for older cars but I think the rules are decided already so we'll just have to see how things go. It might not matter that much, the guys winning sigma were all in class B anyways.

RacerJason

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Rotary gets the shaft in any of these events, absolute nonsense... and within the rotaries there is no balancing. Go up against Jim with XXX hp? Right.

Terrh

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That was my argument too.

Bone stock TII on all seasons?

Same class as a 4 rotor rx-8 with slicks.

23Racer

Al, you know I am not a weenie. I have more track time in actual races than most people. Been racing since 1992 and Time Attacks since 1982. I like the fun factor, but I just hate spending the time and money to go to an event and knowing I am going to get smoked by cars that aren't even close to being like mine. Call me funny, but I believe that the driver should matter.

I am going to contact the Sigma guys and find out where my car falls. I am also going to call the CSCS guys and find out where my car falls. I already know where my car falls within the CASC Time Attack Rules and in their case they have 35 classes so everybody gets a trophy.

I really like the SCCA or NASA ways of car classification, but I recognize that it doesn't exist up here.

If I am going to go into a gun fight with no rules, like it sounds like Sigma and CSCS are, I don't know if I would bring the RX7. The car doesn't have the power to compete with Jim et al.... I may just have to bring the Cougar after the dog box gets rebuilt.

We will see after I speak to them. Who knows, if the RX7 generates 220 rwhp, then I may at least be close enough to have fun.

Eric

KenSpeC

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Hey Eric, I wholeheartedly agree with you that the driver is what matters, not how much money you put into a car. Im sure with your racing experience you would be surprised at how well you will do.

Some of the classifications with sigma and cscs are lax compared to CASC solosprints/ota and i hear ya when you feel the frustration of being a group that you dont belong in. But then again, sigma and cscs are fun in that way, less politics and I find less pressure personally.

. In my past experience with solosprint, the pips way of classing your car was a headache and god forbid you misunderstand the pip schedule and not declare what you are supposed to and vice versa declare what you did not need to.

From your previous posts I dont think you are bringing a knife to a gun fight, sounds like your car is pretty well set up. Im still on stock twins and boost levels (until marco cleans up my basemap) and street tires, of course I can spend a budget and grab more power and rcomps but what fun is that? I find these events as an opportunity for further driver development (me personally, not saying you need it lol) and racing something I built. If i do well then thats a bonus.

Hope to see ya out this season

2Fierce

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http://cscs.ca/images//2011%20cscs%2...20rulebook.pdf

Basically, it all comes down to what tires you intend to race on that day.

We only have 3 classes, street, super street and unlimited.

Read it and you won't have to call and ask where your car fits in lol

MIBagentQ

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Coming from a guy who's spent countless hours building my own car from the ground up, I really appreciate having a series that is more flexible with how you build your car.

With excessive rules like NASCAR, the race truly is focused on the driver and gives no credit to the car builder.

More rules = focus on tuner
Less rules = focus on car builder (and tuner)

I personally prefer the less rules route that offers builders more flexibility in how they choose to develop their cars, sort of like how most of the best motoring races work.

thewird

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I think you guys are forgetting that cscs and sigma are still mainly lapping days with the added bonus of timed runs, not truely competitive events. You go there to have fun. If you want to get that serious, this is not the event for you.

thewird

MIBagentQ

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Why do you say that? I think both cscs and srta are VERY competitive events, srta just gives you a LOT more time for test and tune (6hrs) to get ready for official time attack.

Its obviously not wheel to wheel racing which is a different competition and they don't require you to be affiliated with some club and acquire a racing licence beforehand (which I'm thankful for) but these are serious events, especially with everyone's lap times being posted here http://www.sigmatimeattack.com/test/

Congrats to Jimmy on taking the lead by a hundredth of a second!

23Racer

You know what Ken, you made me think of this in a whole new light. I usually go down to a Lapping Day or two just to blow out the cobwebs and try to get something running properly and to play with the setup. Why not do this at a Sigma Event? I would get to play with other RX7's and it is a closer tow than Shannonville. It should work. As well, I like that you can put a bunch of people in the car to play as well.

Okay, I think it makes sense to do a Sigma Event. It sounds like it could work. The only question I have now, is how the day actually works. I understand that there is free lapping, but what does that mean. On their website it shows that you are only allowed to pass in certain zones. How often do you get held up? Also, is it 30 minutes on/ 30 off? Everyone out at once, what? Just trying to figure out how the driving versus tuning would take place. I don't need a bunch of Lapping time, just need enough to learn the track and setup the car. Also, at Mosport DDT what is the maximum cornering speed? Most of the in-cars look a lot like street course stuff. How abrasive is the track? Just trying to decide between Mosport DDT and TMP. Any noise restrictions? My RX7 can be kinda loud and my Cougar sounds like a freakin' ALMS car. Just don't want to show up and be turned away by something that I could prepare for up front.


This way I can tune with you guys and have fun, then get my race jollies with the CASC in the GT Challenge GT4 and NASA PTC for the RX7 and SCCA STU (it was just approved in the April Fast Track, hurrah) for the Cougar.

Eric

23Racer

Just read the Rule Book, pretty brief and allows for a whatever approach to building your car, LOL, however I have a question. It says no refueling in the pits or paddock. How the heck am I to refuel my car? Does this mean that I have to show up with the car all filled up and take a chance on running the tank dry if I spend a lot of time on track? Maybe my understanding of paddock is different than the rules makers.

This seems to limit me to about 65 minutes of track time before I have to load up. How do you guys get around this and does the Sigma group have this same restriction?

Eric

01Racing

I am going to ask Peter at Sigma to create the stock 4wd pick up class so I can run the Tundra.......................lol

thewird

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You can refuel, just not in the pits I guess.

thewird

23Racer

I am not sure. The Rules state that there is no refueling in the Pits or Paddock and that includes generators, cars, etc.... To me the Pits are the area adjacent to the track, while the Paddock is the area where the cars are unloaded and worked on. I must be missing something.

Eric

Pecan

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Couldn't have said it better myself. No matter how fast you are, there will always be someone faster. Even if you don't seem that competitive in your class, it's still fun.