Hey Ontario, keep your crazy a$$ laws to yourself.
11-15-08, 04:22 AM
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What the ****?! This place is getting increasingly hard to live in. I wasn't even aware of this Bill, so I thank you guys for posting and discussing this. Funny, because I hadn't signed in here in months, and the reason I did tonight is to bring up the 50-over laws and tell you that I've been emailling my local MPP about this. And now we're dealing with the feds with this new bill??? Limiters at 150km/h?? That is an outrage. I bet they've kept this somewhat quiet because they might actually offend a few more people compared to Ontario's 50-over laws. This is getting out of hand in a hurry. Turning into a police state.
My girlfriend and I were just in Italy for two weeks. Their toll roads, which you could compare to the 401 for argument's sake, all had limits of 130, with many people going 150 or so, the speed at which we get our license taken and our cars stolen. I'm losing love for this country, which is something I thought could never happen. Freedom is no longer important. It's been replaced by the illusion of safety and the delusion that one can create a perfect, happy, flawlees land for all us mindless sheep to "enjoy". Geez, and I had already written my MPP to say I'd never vote for Ontario's Liberals again as long as I lived, with the 50-over laws. If this new speed-liming Bill turns into law, I don't even want to live in Canada.
My girlfriend and I were just in Italy for two weeks. Their toll roads, which you could compare to the 401 for argument's sake, all had limits of 130, with many people going 150 or so, the speed at which we get our license taken and our cars stolen. I'm losing love for this country, which is something I thought could never happen. Freedom is no longer important. It's been replaced by the illusion of safety and the delusion that one can create a perfect, happy, flawlees land for all us mindless sheep to "enjoy". Geez, and I had already written my MPP to say I'd never vote for Ontario's Liberals again as long as I lived, with the 50-over laws. If this new speed-liming Bill turns into law, I don't even want to live in Canada.
11-15-08, 07:16 AM
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Only problem is the 401 is a freeway that was designed back in the 1950s and has been beat up every winter since. I agree that speed limiters shouldn't exist; however, they will probably be easy to get around. I remember when "skip shift" came out for emissions or whatever they were trying to do. It was easily defeated by pulling a fuse.
I am more concerned with these "black boxes" they are starting to have in cars.
I am more concerned with these "black boxes" they are starting to have in cars.
11-16-08, 12:52 AM
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Yes, the governors will be easy to bypass, but the thing is that a new law brings new penalties. How crazy are they going to go on us for having cars without the governors?? They can call our car tampered illegal contraband. I'm telling you, this is scary control our government is imposing on us.
11-16-08, 07:16 AM
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Is it even practical to put governors on older vehicles - ie, those without electronic vehicle speed sensors (vss), those with mechanical speedometers? I realize governors have existed for a long time, but it seems to me once you go older than the late '90s era of fully electronic engine and vehicle management, governor applications might be very idiosyncratic - ie., designed to work with a particular make, model, and option configuration (the relevant options being things like transmission type and final drive ratio). And so, impractical to implement. Or maybe I'm wrong on this, feel free to set me straight.
fc3sdrift wrote:
More deaths on the highways are caused by just about everything else besides street racing. Probably including swerving to avoid squirrels and gophers and cats (personally, I swerve to hit cats, but you get the idea 
). But street racing is, besides unnecessary and stupid, a very emotional issue. Which is to say, great to exploit to look like you, the government/police, are doing something useful. As opposed to eating donuts, and dreaming up ways to increase revenues so you can buy more toys and spend more generally.
The biggest cause of accidents and fatalities is still impaired driving at 40-50% - after 30+ years of Checkstops and drunk driving campaigns (hmm, come to think of it, I used to see Checkstops all the time here in Calgary - they ran year round here - but I haven't seen one in years. Maybe that's because I don't get out much anymore (having a kid will do that to you), or maybe the police have focused on easier, more lucrative, less man-power intensive "safety" campaigns - like photo radar, light cameras, and speed enforcement generally. Or in the case of Ontario elevating that to stealing people's vehicles without due process, on the basis of a vague and often subjectively determined criteria.
Pedestrians are also a huge chunk of road fatalities. So obviously we should move to kill all pedestrians. Ok, maybe not kill them, but ban them. We probably can't kill all the wildlife either, so we should build wildlife fences along all highways, similar to what is found in Banff and other mountain parks, to keep the wildlife off. And because the fence may be a hazard to cars that go off the road, it should be made of rubber. In fact, why not make it work like the crash nets that catch carrier aircraft if they fail to catch the arrestor wires on landing? Just spring up to catch errant cars.
Of course, even at a governed 150, fatalities would be too easy to have occur. So we should limit speeds to 110. Actually, that's still way too fast, fatalities occur at lower speeds too, so we should govern speeds to 50km/h. Come to think of it, I've seen quite serious accidents happen at 50 km, so maybe the governed speed should be 25. Hmmm... you know, a pedestrian getting hit by a car at 25 could still be seriously injured or killed - better make that 15 km/h. But wait, even at 15 km/h, a child could run out in front of the car (they might not notice it's moving!), be struck, and killed. Better make it 5 km/h. Aww, dammit, someone backing up could still run over a child or less mobile person and kill them. Better just make everyone ride a bike or walk. And think of the savings on oil and gas, as we huddle in our caves around the fire. Make you proud to be a Canadian, protected and coddled by the nanny state.
But wait, someone could get burned by the fire, we'd better ban fire...
fc3sdrift wrote:
theres more deaths on the highways in canada from wildlife than street racing, we shoud kill off all our wildlife to make the roads safer!
). But street racing is, besides unnecessary and stupid, a very emotional issue. Which is to say, great to exploit to look like you, the government/police, are doing something useful. As opposed to eating donuts, and dreaming up ways to increase revenues so you can buy more toys and spend more generally.The biggest cause of accidents and fatalities is still impaired driving at 40-50% - after 30+ years of Checkstops and drunk driving campaigns (hmm, come to think of it, I used to see Checkstops all the time here in Calgary - they ran year round here - but I haven't seen one in years. Maybe that's because I don't get out much anymore (having a kid will do that to you), or maybe the police have focused on easier, more lucrative, less man-power intensive "safety" campaigns - like photo radar, light cameras, and speed enforcement generally. Or in the case of Ontario elevating that to stealing people's vehicles without due process, on the basis of a vague and often subjectively determined criteria.
Pedestrians are also a huge chunk of road fatalities. So obviously we should move to kill all pedestrians. Ok, maybe not kill them, but ban them. We probably can't kill all the wildlife either, so we should build wildlife fences along all highways, similar to what is found in Banff and other mountain parks, to keep the wildlife off. And because the fence may be a hazard to cars that go off the road, it should be made of rubber. In fact, why not make it work like the crash nets that catch carrier aircraft if they fail to catch the arrestor wires on landing? Just spring up to catch errant cars.
Of course, even at a governed 150, fatalities would be too easy to have occur. So we should limit speeds to 110. Actually, that's still way too fast, fatalities occur at lower speeds too, so we should govern speeds to 50km/h. Come to think of it, I've seen quite serious accidents happen at 50 km, so maybe the governed speed should be 25. Hmmm... you know, a pedestrian getting hit by a car at 25 could still be seriously injured or killed - better make that 15 km/h. But wait, even at 15 km/h, a child could run out in front of the car (they might not notice it's moving!), be struck, and killed. Better make it 5 km/h. Aww, dammit, someone backing up could still run over a child or less mobile person and kill them. Better just make everyone ride a bike or walk. And think of the savings on oil and gas, as we huddle in our caves around the fire. Make you proud to be a Canadian, protected and coddled by the nanny state.
But wait, someone could get burned by the fire, we'd better ban fire...
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11-16-08, 11:40 PM
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Of course, even at a governed 150, fatalities would be too easy to have occur. So we should limit speeds to 110. Actually, that's still way too fast, fatalities occur at lower speeds too, so we should govern speeds to 50km/h. Come to think of it, I've seen quite serious accidents happen at 50 km, so maybe the governed speed should be 25. Hmmm... you know, a pedestrian getting hit by a car at 25 could still be seriously injured or killed - better make that 15 km/h. But wait, even at 15 km/h, a child could run out in front of the car (they might not notice it's moving!), be struck, and killed. Better make it 5 km/h. Aww, dammit, someone backing up could still run over a child or less mobile person and kill them. Better just make everyone ride a bike or walk. And think of the savings on oil and gas, as we huddle in our caves around the fire. Make you proud to be a Canadian, protected and coddled by the nanny state.
But wait, someone could get burned by the fire, we'd better ban fire...
But wait, someone could get burned by the fire, we'd better ban fire...
I sarcastically suggested to my MPP that he help make sugar illegal because it causes diabetes, morbid obesity and has a major role in forming and feeding cancer cells that nobody talks about. Speeding, drunk driving, homicide, drownings, suicides, AIDS and petting unmuzzled pittbulls all combined could never, ever hold a candle to the damage that refined sugar does to "innocent citizens".
And I also reminded him of the hypocrisy of smoking issues. The government again tries to care about our safety. If that was the motive, they would be illegal. But no, they simply heavily tax them to offset the strain on health care. What lying scumbags.
And again, shall we compare the effects of smoking to driving 150 km/h? If excessive speeding was automatically dangerous, independent of the circumstances and capabilities of the car and the driver, I would been dead a long time ago.
I'm glad we're at least talking about this. Let's not ever be sheep in this country. This thread needs to continue in a serious way.
04-08-09, 01:35 AM
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Wow, you guys have it brutal out there.
I think its total B.S. what if you use your car as a track drag car? You can no longer do that because of this gay limiter?
The government should just seriously stop trying to "protect" us so much. I am seriously considering moving ot the U.S.
Sure they can be lame sometimes, but did you guys know that they vote on every major issue and bill in their riding?
In fact, most countys ellect a sherrif, and if he doesnt do a good job or people dont agree with him....booted out. Thats why there is very little gay **** like this in the U.S.
I think its total B.S. what if you use your car as a track drag car? You can no longer do that because of this gay limiter?
The government should just seriously stop trying to "protect" us so much. I am seriously considering moving ot the U.S.
Sure they can be lame sometimes, but did you guys know that they vote on every major issue and bill in their riding?
In fact, most countys ellect a sherrif, and if he doesnt do a good job or people dont agree with him....booted out. Thats why there is very little gay **** like this in the U.S.
04-12-09, 08:00 PM
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A great illustration of the insanity of this safety obsession. Their version of logic ends nowhere. We will never have a perfect, sterile, 100% safe world.
I sarcastically suggested to my MPP that he help make sugar illegal because it causes diabetes, morbid obesity and has a major role in forming and feeding cancer cells that nobody talks about. Speeding, drunk driving, homicide, drownings, suicides, AIDS and petting unmuzzled pittbulls all combined could never, ever hold a candle to the damage that refined sugar does to "innocent citizens".
And I also reminded him of the hypocrisy of smoking issues. The government again tries to care about our safety. If that was the motive, they would be illegal. But no, they simply heavily tax them to offset the strain on health care. What lying scumbags.
And again, shall we compare the effects of smoking to driving 150 km/h? If excessive speeding was automatically dangerous, independent of the circumstances and capabilities of the car and the driver, I would been dead a long time ago.
I'm glad we're at least talking about this. Let's not ever be sheep in this country. This thread needs to continue in a serious way.
I sarcastically suggested to my MPP that he help make sugar illegal because it causes diabetes, morbid obesity and has a major role in forming and feeding cancer cells that nobody talks about. Speeding, drunk driving, homicide, drownings, suicides, AIDS and petting unmuzzled pittbulls all combined could never, ever hold a candle to the damage that refined sugar does to "innocent citizens".
And I also reminded him of the hypocrisy of smoking issues. The government again tries to care about our safety. If that was the motive, they would be illegal. But no, they simply heavily tax them to offset the strain on health care. What lying scumbags.
And again, shall we compare the effects of smoking to driving 150 km/h? If excessive speeding was automatically dangerous, independent of the circumstances and capabilities of the car and the driver, I would been dead a long time ago.
I'm glad we're at least talking about this. Let's not ever be sheep in this country. This thread needs to continue in a serious way.
04-13-09, 06:37 PM
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^^^ my man you tell me where and when, and ill make sure the voices are heard. Blind sheep i am not. One day someone will snap, and a revolution will come to end the dictatorship (capitalism my ***), and allow for actual structure, justice, and meaning to commence. This topic goes much deeper than most will ever be able to see.
04-13-09, 10:58 PM
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Wow, you guys have it brutal out there.
I think its total B.S. what if you use your car as a track drag car? You can no longer do that because of this gay limiter?
The government should just seriously stop trying to "protect" us so much. I am seriously considering moving ot the U.S.
Sure they can be lame sometimes, but did you guys know that they vote on every major issue and bill in their riding?
In fact, most countys ellect a sherrif, and if he doesnt do a good job or people dont agree with him....booted out. Thats why there is very little gay **** like this in the U.S.
I think its total B.S. what if you use your car as a track drag car? You can no longer do that because of this gay limiter?
The government should just seriously stop trying to "protect" us so much. I am seriously considering moving ot the U.S.
Sure they can be lame sometimes, but did you guys know that they vote on every major issue and bill in their riding?
In fact, most countys ellect a sherrif, and if he doesnt do a good job or people dont agree with him....booted out. Thats why there is very little gay **** like this in the U.S.
The only good thing about such jurisdictions is that if popular opinion can be turned solidly against a law or it's enforcement, repeal or non-enforcement are more likely. But it's always a fight, regardless of how bad a law or it's enforcement are - government's just aren't inclined to give up powers once they have them, just like they don't readily give up taxes.
04-14-09, 06:52 PM
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More BS
Anyone read the Toronto Star Wheels section a few weeks ago?
It is actually illegal to wash your own car in the driveway now, the soap suds can trap contaminents and float into the storm sewers. Wouldn't the dirt and brake dust eventually float off your car in a rain storm and end up in the same place?
Ontario is officially the worst place to live in North America if you have any enthusiasm for cars and the car hobby.
It is actually illegal to wash your own car in the driveway now, the soap suds can trap contaminents and float into the storm sewers. Wouldn't the dirt and brake dust eventually float off your car in a rain storm and end up in the same place?
Ontario is officially the worst place to live in North America if you have any enthusiasm for cars and the car hobby.
04-15-09, 12:14 AM
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Good thing I live on a dead end street that I have only seen one cop on before. Hey, how about coin wash facilities? Aren't they drained right into the sewer system. I would like to know what kind of contaminants I'm washing off my car that didn't get there from being outside in the air and on the ground already. What, am I driving my car through a nuclear reactor every day?(Nuculer, it's pronounced nuculer. Nuculer )
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04-15-09, 11:03 AM
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Anyone read the Toronto Star Wheels section a few weeks ago?
It is actually illegal to wash your own car in the driveway now, the soap suds can trap contaminents and float into the storm sewers. Wouldn't the dirt and brake dust eventually float off your car in a rain storm and end up in the same place?
Ontario is officially the worst place to live in North America if you have any enthusiasm for cars and the car hobby.
It is actually illegal to wash your own car in the driveway now, the soap suds can trap contaminents and float into the storm sewers. Wouldn't the dirt and brake dust eventually float off your car in a rain storm and end up in the same place?
Ontario is officially the worst place to live in North America if you have any enthusiasm for cars and the car hobby.
http://www.sflorg.com/ear/?p=76
http://www.cityofbremerton.com/conte...tionfacts.html
IIRC, some of the chemicals in soaps and shampoo's, or their breakdown products, act similarly to estrogens when ingested by humans and animals in drinking water - contributing to male reproductive problems (humans and wildlife), and periodic bitchiness (somebody's gonna flame me for that remark!). So, I'm sort of onside with the no street washing.
Commercial car washes are hooked up to the waste water sewer system, so their water is treated before going to a river or lake.
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