That letter deffinately kicked my letter's ***. Good job Scott.

 

Thanks To be honest with you, I really doubt that this pre emptive strike will actually be implemented, because as stated before, as soon as someone with enough money for a good lawyer comes along, Bryant's case is up in flames. Keep in mind that with elections nearing, I'm sure that this is one of those "give me media time" moves that will leave those without any knowledge of politics with a sense of comfort and thus earn them some more votes. They want to look like they're doing something constructive... but really, when was the last time Mcguinty's gov't actually did anything near what they proposed? That being said, it'd be nice if this could earn us a track or 2 closer to the GTA than MoSport or Shannonville despite the publicly funded, heavily taxed government cash cow it would be.

Also, there are alot more car enthusiasts than you think, and alot of them do have money and thus more influence (think porsche/audi/mercedes/bmw tuners, vintage rodders, etc). I'd love to see this happen to one rich, influential man, and then later see the look on Bryant's face when he realizes what an *** he made of himself

 

left a polite but firm message with his office staff that gets the point across. I wonder if they'll have someone call me back.

 

Good job! Keep it coming people! Don't let the hobby die

On a side note... that hamster in your avatar... it has a wing... it's obviously prepped for street racing, I'm sorry but I'm going to have to confiscate it and feed it to a snake.

 

This is very true, you should see the Ferrari guys organize when they want to clear one of their cars thru some red tape. Money, Connections, Votes.

Which brings me back to anotehr point, the reason we have absolutly NO say is because while some of us are serious and do vote and participate, the population at large sees us as a bunch of greasy ginos with poor grammar and pants at least 4 sizes too large (i HATE this!) who hang outside a coffee shop with nothing better to do.

It would be nice if in addition to this pre-emptive strike we could get the average kid who owns a modded civic to participate, start to vote, and vote against idiot politicians who spew useless rethorical drivel such as this morning's comments.

Bah, it's late and i have work to finish.
I'll just end this for now with my lament for modern society.

 

AAAAAAAAAAHAHHAAAAHA. You sir are the winner!

 

Better get posting on honda-tech then

 

Sorry, but i'll have to leave that task to someone else as I have what can only be described as the world's shortest fuse and the minute some 18 year old replies to one of my well thought out and carefully constructed arguments with some form of internet ebonics of the genre: "Yo guy dats BS, no one gives a *** about us cause they're all rich business people hatin' on playas", i will either mash my keyboard thru the screen, or thru his head depending on his proximity to my location.

At the very least if you don't plan on voting, if one of these people survey calls your house to guage support, tell them no and explain to them that you are a tax paying law abiding canadian who is furious that one of his elected officials basically called him a Terrorist. No one called Denny Crane a terrorist.

 

Indeed. I suppose I'll deal with some of the more immature audience that honda-tech attracts, I mean, I guess the hobby is worth it... but still....

 

hahaha, is he serious? balance of probabilities? wtf?

i guess this is the new "racial" profiling.
i see idiots on the road every day, it doesn't matter what they are driving. if a car can go on the highway it can kill.
catch the people who actually street race while they are in the act. not blame everyone else later after somebody dies...

 

im surprised that no one has made the simple basic point and fundamental principal of the legal system as i understand it

Innocent, until proven guilty

much as was said above, if they can do this, they oughta be able to crush people takin martial arts because they might assault someone, or start crushing pitbulls because they might go apeshit an chew on someone, or start crushing airplanes because a terrorist might steal it an crash it into a building.

why stop there.. they could start crushing politicians because they might pass laws that strip us of basic civil rights

this has got to be the biggest load of horseshit ive ever heard of. i would almost relish having my car siezed an crushed as a result of this law. my 7 has seen better days, and once it was all said and done i think i could likely afford an FD to replace the FC that was "too fast".

 

Considering they made a video of a "seized street racing" blue civic hatch being crushed, I don't know about the whole innocent until proven guilty thing if they are aiming for a pre emptive course of action. However, the hatch might have just been a police seized drug dealer's car that just happened to be "modded"... *sigh* anything to get publicity now that an election is coming up -___-.

 

that blue civic hatch actually WAS a drug dealer car. Had nothing to do with SR.

 

More of "hit the hives and the bees will fly out" if you ask me.

Nothing more then a long reach by a politician to win some voter-hearts.

It'll never go anywhere, at least in the capactiy that's stated in the article. No way. Its an entire contradiction to what Canada actually is. Free. As much as we already are that is

How else do you explain the CRUSHING OF THE CAR. You mean to tell me, the best thing that the government can do for people's saftey on the roads is taking your car after you have an offence.....and getting it crushed. Seem a little excessive to anyone? Seem a little...."showy" perhaps?

Its all about the sympathy. In fact, I've already had 3 older people (50+) in the office today saying what a great idea crushing the cars would be! They think its awesome and will strike fear into the hearts of wannabe racers!! But they also prefaced their comments with "this government has" or "the harper gov't is going to" ......................

They're trying to use fear against street racers. Otherwise explain the phrase "we will crush your parts". And while doing that, they're looking like big tough men with amzingly polished ideals to the voters.

You'd swear they were politicians or something!

 

Yeah, I wouldn't worry too much about this.

First off, you can goto the Ontario Legislation web-page and see all the bills first hand. Only those that have received royal ascent are law. Notice how the famed "Street Racing Act of Ontario" isn't a law and yet how many people bitched and moaned about that?

Second, there is no law that gives police this ability. Think about it this way. A police officer would have to come onto someones property and confiscate the car. He'll need a warrant for that if I am not mistaken considering that there is no crime being committed. And what Judge will risk his career issuing a blatantly unlawful warrant?

Third, That article may just be a matter of spreading rumors. I mean, the spelling is off FFS.

Go and learn about your rights.

 

Yeah I know, like I said, with elections coming up, what better way to win votes by appearing to do something constructive... but I just figured that we should let them know that while they may gain a few shortsighted votes, there are educated voters out there who know their rights, and that they might want to rethink their course of action because this definately has the potential to lose them some votes as well.

Furthermore, it's a great way to let them know of any alternative suggestions that people might have (read: PUBLICLY FUNDED TRACKS IN OR AROUND THE GTA ) Sounds liberal too, doesn't it? Publicly funded government taxed project "for the better of society"

It's not even taking your car and crushing it after a street racing offence, but BEFORE your car even touches the street, ie. crush any modded vehicle that they suspect might partake in this. If the modded car in question is street legal, I'm sure the lawyers would have a field day with them at court. Like I said, if they try to put this in motion, the first tuner with some real money is going to make them look stupid.

 

Dear Michael Bryant:

Regarding your announced legislation in which you attempt to look "tough" on street racing, and threaten to seize and crush any modified car whether or not the owner has been observed street racing: you are either grandstanding for the media, or have not thought things through, or both.

The very day you made your announcements, two cars were involved in street racing on the 400. Both cars were bone-stock corvettes. Your new laws would not affect those guilty drivers, but would penalize any Canadian who contributes to the $34 billion dollar aftermarket parts segment of the North American economy.

You seem to have reached the conclusion that all persons committing the crime of street racing must modify their vehicles, and all persons modifying their vehicles must be guilty of street racing. As the corvette example above illustrates, you're just plain wrong.

Yes, modifying cars is more visible now than it was in the hot rod era. yes, more people are spotted street racing. Most people would then research to discover if there's a proven relationship between the two, other than increased awareness. You, however, were so eager to jump on the bandwagon you're skipping the research and enacting laws based on false logic. There were no high profile terrorist attacks before women received the right to vote. Are you next going to assume a causation there, and attempt to disenfranchise women in the interests of national security? For that matter, would you see all Afghanis punished for attacks carried out by the Taliban? Or all French Canadians punished for the actions of the FLQ? Of course not.

Certainly street racing is a problem. Certainly punishing those who are guilty is a must. But targetting one category of citizen simply because they're visible, whether or not they've committed a crime, is not only unfair to the innocents you'd have punished but it sends law enforcement looking for those in that category, thus draining resources from apprehending those who are truly guilty.

Target those who commit crimes, not those take pride in their personal property. Think it through.

D'Arcy Mann
Saskatoon

Sent to:
Ontario attorney general's office
My local MLA
My local paper
Globe and Mail
National Post

 

While we're at it, we could build gulags and concentration camps for anyone who might build a grow-op (obviously, any home owner or renter, but the homeless should be safe), or who might jay-walk (any pedestrian not currently in a crosswalk), or anyone who might spit on the sidewalk (anyone not suffering from dry-mouth).

It seems pretty obvious this is an idiot comment from someone who should know better. Here in Alberta, such people are traditionally made premier.

 

Thats the funniest thing I've heard all week. You made my week man.


On the modified cars note; They still sell production cars far faster than most 'Street Racing' Cars. Does that mean they will crush my new Z06 when I roll out the showroom? Or how about my 911?

Might as well restrict us to hybrids, then ban them when someone 'modifies' that.

As far as Im concerned, if it passes all inspections, its legal. What you use it for is your own buisiness.

 

My 50hp motorcycle goes 180kph. I hope they don't crush it.

Actually, I raced someone in my 60HP type 3 Vw, and it has swing axles! That should be crushed FOR being stock.

 

Today the 401 was shutdown because an 85 year old man flipped his station wagon.

they need to crush all FWD GM cars immediately!

 

Smartest thing ever typed!

 

i emailed him.
Dear Mr. Michael Bryant,

It has become somewhat saddening that on my birthday, June 21st, that I am all of a sudden becoming a target for simply modifying my car. The words that you spoke seemed to have one intent, while a good one, it is being implemented in the wrong way. You are saying that if we do begin to modify our cars, then it is right to charge any car with suspicion of being modified with intent of street racing, to be taken away, and crushed. This is illogical to think that people who do end up modifying their cars, are the ones that are going to go street racing!

Perhaps you have never truly experienced what kind of people tuners are as opposed to street racers. We are people with such passion and love for our automobiles, that we want to treat them with luxury and respect that we would give anything in our lives. I modify my car because i have love and respect for what it is. Parts such as exhaust systems, and intakes, which can be purchased from factory, have become illogical, as you can simply buy an after market performance one thats cheaper, better, and makes the car itself easier to work on in most cases. Which is the same reason i modify my guitar, the other love in my life. It is not for me to just to brag about how much power i make, or how much faster it is, but it is for the sole fact that i LIKE doing these things.
I'll tell you my story. I bought my 1st car, my Toyota Supra when i was 16. I worked hard on it, and took it's many challenges (as it is 20 years old) and turned it into a running, strong automobile. But these things i had to do actually transferred in my daily life experiences. You see, now i had self confidence more then ever to undergo difficult tasks, and overcome them. And look at me now! I am studying at York University with a happy attitude towards school! My brother has even gotten into the Supra game as well, and it has done nothing but benefited him. He has become a better driver, learned how to wrench on cars, and takes pride in cleaning and maintaining his car.

This car has not only kept me busy and happy, but it has kept me clean from any drugs. With making money, you can always make mistakes with what you spend it on. But i believe that owning this machine of a dream gave me the option of actually spending on something that i can enjoy over and over again, without killing myself. I have never done a single drug in my life, and i believe it is in part to me having this car! This car has kept me from drinking and driving every night after a bar run, as i would never want to endanger other cars that mean something to someone else, as much as it does to me. I have even seen friends, who were once under the influence of drugs, go out and buy a car that he can modify and have fun, turn around, get clean, get back into school, and all for the fact that they want their car to be a show stopper! Is it that bad that there are a group of people who actually want to keep our cars in tip top shape?

No, it is not terrible, and it is not right that you can simply stereotype groups who modify their cars as "street racers". This is becoming prejudice profiling against tuners... how sad is that? But after hearing these comments from you, it is hard to say that i have any trust in my government. Perhaps i was wrong to buy a car that i love and to make it safer then it was before, when it was just certified... maybe i should have done something stupid with my money instead. But i will leave you with one final note. You can crush our cars, but you will never be able to crush the passion that we have for our cars.

Thomas Deneka,
Mississauga, Ontario.

 

I read that and was like WTF too. So us swapping engines is called modified right? or addiing a body kit? or a sporting exhaust note? Or better looking rims?

Why is it then that from the dealer ship you can have either v6 instead of inline 4, or V8 insted of V6? Why is it that you can get "appearance" Packages from dealer ships? Why can you upgrade your rims to lighter/ or just bigger radius ones? Why can you upgrade exhaust systems for a more "sporty" note all from the dealerships? How does any of this differ from any other things that we do? Why don't we just have a crusher beside every dealership then and crush 90% of the cars.

Oh you want V-tech, alright, we can do that but its going straigh to the crusher, you want the body package, alright but staight to the crushers?

What if the car is being built for race only? Will you go to sleep and only to find out that when you wake up they have crushed your car because they think you might be using on the street to race?

 

Okay...sorry about my ignorance in politics. I dont know what party is MR. Micheal Bryant, but i think instead of just emailing him may be someone should email his opposition party and see what solution they can come up with between street racer and sport car enthusiast. May be his oppostion party can come up with a better idea and MR. Bryant idea of "crushing every single modify car". Then for sure I will vote for the other idiot instead of MR. Bryant.