N/a turbo question!!!

Old Sep 14, 2012 | 02:58 PM
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WY N/a turbo question!!!

Ok before its said I did do research...
Subject: I want to run low boost on my n/a just to give it that kick while drifting
im right at the point of just not enough power so 5 lbs of boost should put me where i need to carry a drift just a lil longer.
Question: i have a slap on turbo set up that will work... i can make it run about 5 lbs
i heard that stock injectors and ecu wont run lean till 8 lbs on the rear rotor
SO ... can i slap it on and run five lbs ...like a dirty honda
OR am i going to have to mod it like the other write up say for bigger boost
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88 rx7 fc
13b N/A
Motor in good shape( owner said was rebuilt five years ago)
paid 300 found it on a farm
THIS IS JUST A DRIFT CAR......not even plated to be driven on the street
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Old Sep 14, 2012 | 03:02 PM
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I would at least run some bigger injectors. No reason to risk running the motor with insufficient fuel supply.
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Old Sep 14, 2012 | 03:03 PM
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i think i can get ahold of some t2 injectors good enough?
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Old Sep 14, 2012 | 03:06 PM
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What kind of turbo?
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Old Sep 14, 2012 | 03:34 PM
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Originally Posted by joeylyrech
What kind of turbo?
^ This... 5lbs on a TII HT-18 and a GT4788R are quite different. What "slap on" turbo kit do you have? Your whole post is quite vague. Throw your turbo kit on and see what happens.

Doesn't really constitute a build thread either...
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Old Sep 14, 2012 | 03:49 PM
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also dont have safc or any other computer management just turbo , mani (stock n/a customized for t3 flange) intercooler stuff like that...this guy is telling me i can run a slap on system installed correctly with stock ecu and injectors ( which ill probably upgrade injectors) up to 8 lbs with no mods i have my doubts but would be bad *** if i could.... so just throwing this out before i hurt something
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Old Sep 14, 2012 | 03:56 PM
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T3 turbo?a stock s5 turbo car runs 8 psi from the factory,do you really think that you can run 8 psi on a stock na block?think about that.
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Old Sep 14, 2012 | 03:57 PM
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Who's "this guy?" T3 flange describes turbine inlet but says nothing about turbine/compressor sides. Again your post is very vague. Just slap on your turbo "kit" and cross your fingers if you're not willing to spend the money to make it live. That's probably the answer you were wanting to hear anyways.

There are a million threads about turbo 6-Port motors, search harder....
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Old Sep 14, 2012 | 04:02 PM
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I know its turbonetics t2/t3 turbo not sure brand on anything else probably cheap was givin to me in trade ..your right i posted in the wrong section...
like i said just need a little bit more power so going to run low boost just enough to **** of the tires...and got free turbo stuff so thought i could put it to good work...
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Old Sep 14, 2012 | 04:17 PM
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Do it, post the results.
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Old Sep 14, 2012 | 04:34 PM
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Originally Posted by rx7240
I know its turbonetics t2/t3 turbo not sure brand on anything else probably cheap was givin to me in trade ..your right i posted in the wrong section...
like i said just need a little bit more power so going to run low boost just enough to **** of the tires...and got free turbo stuff so thought i could put it to good work...
It does not work like that!that free stuff that you were given is gonna cost you a couple of 1000s down the road.Boost on a rotary is something that has 2 get done right.....cnat cut corners.
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Old Sep 14, 2012 | 04:36 PM
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Originally Posted by Molotovman
Do it, post the results.
Oh no i see another part it out thread
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Old Sep 14, 2012 | 04:45 PM
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[QUOTE=MaliciousMD;11222132]Who's "this guy?" T3 flange describes turbine inlet but says nothing about turbine/compressor sides. Again your post is very vague. Just slap on your turbo "kit"

Issue i havent seen the stuff i have no clue about what the parts consist of as far as brand of parts or how good the "kit" is by kit i mean blow off and waste gate everything but fuel management. its not the biggest turbo i have ever seen actually not bigger than a stock turbo2 turbo i know it is turbonetics and this kit im getting was set of 9 pounds on "this guys" car....which i traded some of my 240 parts for some stuff and all the turbo setup....
before i went putting on a turbo and trashing my drift car i just wanted to know if i had to do a bunch of mods to the n/a before i ran like five lbs
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Old Sep 14, 2012 | 04:48 PM
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so you searched and came up with the idea you could just slap a turbo on an n/a and run 5psi?

no.

you need: turbo injectors, custom exhaust manifold to clear the LIM, custom downpipe, intercooler, intercooler piping kit, turbo fuel pump, turbo ECU, some rewiring, turbo pressure sensor, turbo AFM and hopefully at least an SAFC with wideband.

it's also very difficult to regulate boost on standalone turbos, most have 10lb springs as the lowest option you can get for the wastegate and inferior wastegate plumbing. 5psi is actually not going to be an easy task to keep it at. you will need to dump it to atmosphere and get a looser spring.

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Old Sep 14, 2012 | 05:08 PM
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Originally Posted by joeylyrech
It does not work like that!that free stuff that you were given is gonna cost you a couple of 1000s down the road.Boost on a rotary is something that has 2 get done right.....cnat cut corners.


i dont have 1000s which is y i was looking for a good way to use what i got i can get a turbo two setup for 1300 but dont have it well because i drift a rx7 so pretty much all my money goes into making sure its ready for the next event...
I have read many treads on this and others seem to be building to run a good amount of boost....i would love to run a little amount of boost if it would help but not wanting to screw my motor totally and be out the rest of the season, I just discovered the beauty of rotary motors and this car fell into my lap and i love it but its not cheap as i first thought it might be but 300 for the car i couldnt pass that up it is right there almost have enough power .... hoping someone had ran boost on completely stock car except intake and exhaust i have that and i could learn off someone with experience
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Old Sep 14, 2012 | 05:12 PM
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many people blow motors on completely stock cars with simple intake and exhaust. those are cars that are setup to run the turbo.

point is the stock n/a fuel system will strain to push out even 200whp, slap a turbo on a high compression engine and it will want to boost and quick and push well beyond what that fuel system can handle, not to mention the timing will be totally fubar without a boosted pressure sensor and ECU and air fuel ratios will not match what the engine needs.

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Old Sep 14, 2012 | 05:21 PM
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THats what i needed to know thank you I argued that this is no honda to just slap a turbo on and drive around town but i will show this tread to this guy and use it as back up i think im just going to do the engine and trans swap this off season or find a cheap place to do a port ..i kinda like being the only n/a drifting
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lighten the car up, easiest way to make more power without making more power. it will also be easier on the already weak n/a drivetrain.

pitch the interior, door panels, carpet, dual exhaust, A/C, smog equipment, sunroof, full size battery, etc. you can shave off about 400lbs rather quickly, beyond that it gets a bit more difficult with lighter wheels, chopping out sound deadening, cutting off and stitch welding excess panels and gutting and retrofitting the mandatory equipment.

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Old Sep 20, 2012 | 09:23 AM
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RotaryEvolution,
Thank you I changed my plugs and put the rx7 on a weight lose program and last night at practice I held the drifts just right all night and didnt even need to clutch kick I may even place in the drift comp on the 30th....just got to either learn how to rebuild a turbo rotary engine of find a place to do it for cheap I just picked up a whole turbo two that im sure has every seal leaking something it turns on after trying really hard barely idles then is way slugish ...turbo replaced and i think they did a oil change, so Im sure the apex seals are gone so yay for a new project
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Old Oct 3, 2012 | 10:32 PM
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i would like to know wat happens, im currently in the process of making my 6 port na-t
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Old Oct 4, 2012 | 11:08 AM
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Did a lot of research and its just better to run a turbo two engine.. in my mind and did major weight reduction and played with my tire pressure and camber angle and weight reduction ( someone broke my back glass) changed my oil and was mostly gas , changed my plugs and cleaned my intake...installed a fuel cut switch to help the flooding and made the top 16 last weekend a turbo would be sweet but from what i have seen puttting a turbo on a n/a turns out to be really not reliable my advice is either rebuild engine for a turbo or buy a turbo II engine trans , diff drive shaft and do it RIGHT there was a guy with a n/a t and he lasted about 6 runs before his car gave up not sire what happened but for me not worth the risk in losing a good engine ...Im going for a street port if i can find a place to do if for less than one of my kids... i figure that will give the little extra i need also doing solid mounts and going to free up the exhaust a little more...thinking of doing the throttle body mod just to clean up the bay a little more and get a little better throttle response.
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Old Oct 6, 2012 | 10:38 AM
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From the FAQ:

Can I swap a Turbo engine/Jspec engine/13BT/etc into my Non Turbo?
Yes, check these links:
S4 NA to turbo swap details - RX7Club.com
Turbo Conversion
Rotary Resurrection home of the budget rebuild.
Rotary Resurrection home of the budget rebuild.

How do I add a turbo to my NA 13B?
What Turbo kits can I add onto my non turbo RX-7?
There are no longer kits formally made at the time of this post, however there are companies from time to time that do make available non turbo to Turbo Kits. Because most of these companies stop building the kits, or go out of business in short time, it is impossible to keep active links for them.

Most people that turbo a non turbo make their own kits:
Using the stock TII turbo, exhaust manifold with spacer, NA intakes and NA ECU:
The (Almost) Complete Guide To Turbocharging The Naturally Aspirated Second Generation RX-7
Final Pictures and Status of NA Turbo Install - RX7Club.com

Aaron Cake's "Project Tina":
My RX-7: Project Tina

Turbocharged NA runs! Video Inside! - RX7Club.com
Turbocharged NA (Tina) 6 Month Report - RX7Club.com
http://users2.ev1.net/~ccoutts/turbo..._a_project.htm

Using the stock TII turbo, exhaust manifold, intakes, ECU:
http://forum.teamfc3s.org/showthread.php?t=37694

How to port match the TII lower intake to fit the 6 port block, allowing you to bolt on all stock TII turbo stuff to an NA engine:
Porting The 4 Port Turbo II Lower Intake To Fit The 6 Port NA Block

Turbo-NA Forum:
Aaron's Homepage Forum - Turbocharged NA
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