samjaza78

I would try swapping around injectors again, to be honest- put the primaries back where they belong. Then if that doesn't work, swap front and rear.

Shame on you for not getting those cleaned and tested. :P

meerkat8701

dang it. i knew i forgot to do something.
the UIM is back in place. one of the other older guys came by to see how i was doing and i ran the story so far by him. i received a load of advice and through all that, i decided to at put the UIM back on and at least get it to start. the thing is that even with start spray straight in the MAF it doesnt even hiccup. i thought i'd start there. i have resigned myself to the inevitability of having to take the UIM off and on a few more times. its actually getting easier and easier. i remember that i was absolutely terrified of it when i first started fiddling with the seven so it feels like nomatter how small, progress is being made and that feels kinda good!

the top of the engine is bone dry now at least so thats one thing solved.

i shall now immerse my self in the wonderous mysteries of the ignition system..

dhennessey

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Well, if nothing else, you're learning a lot about your motor. Good luck finding the problem, i'm sure you will soon.

meerkat8701

right. got spark, getting fuel to both housings, got compression.

still no start and just keeps flooding. im pretty damn sure i stabbed right.

deflood,

line up the notches on the eccentric shaft pulley, (theres two. i line up the one on the right with the pin).

align the matching marks on the sensor housing and driven gear.

then i put in the CAS with the cap off. when it goes all the way in it moves slightly. i then line it up again and replace the cap.



just wanted to double check with you guys that the cables to the coils are lined up right. the ones to the spark plugs im 100% on.

this is so frustrating. im so close but she refuses to show me any signs of life.

by the way i found that i had not put the ground to the electrical harness right. i followed the procedures explained in aaron cakes "proper rx7 grounding" and then i was getting fuel to the front housing.

the spark is strong

the comp is full on.

the fuel flows like a song.

wtf is goin on?

have i done something wrong?

:scra tch:

meerkat8701

seriously considering push/pull starting her. this is doing my head in...

meerkat8701

this is true! my last updates have emanated frustration and despair and to say that i have not experienced these emotions over the last couple of days would be untruthful. my current sources of employment havent called me in so i have really made use of all free time i have to at least be at the garage and get something done. my basic attitude is "as long as im there and make an effort towards solving this, then i cant do any more than that" when i came home and read about the grounding procedures yesterday evening, i literally couldnt sleep. i lay there till about 7:30 and then gave up, got out of bed and made my way to the garage. removed the UIM again and put the electronic harness ground in its rightful place in a much more conductive state than it was previously.

i bought a multimeter today. im ashamed to say, i have reached the grand young age of 33 without ever having used one of these things. i checked the connections to the injectors and the coils and was satisfied. 8 i hasten to add that i have recieved alot of help today from the various dudes that have garages in our little community in the middle of the forest. especially from stickan. he's 50 plus and definately one of the most chill guys i have ever met and as luck has it an experienced and confident mechanic. he gave me a short lecture of the algorithms one must go through to deduce the reasons for a non starting car. i mean.. wankel is wankel and otto is otto but the principles for the supporting systems are more or less the same. minus the flooding and low compression that is the result of that. (unique to rotary engines?) oh well.

i followed his advice and got no result. i think he felt sorry for me later this evening and came by to see how i was doing. apparently, unbeknownst to myself, i had become cocky with the intake and not noticed that i had put two rubber spacers ( the ones that sit on the upper part of the injector closest to the connector) on one injector and none on the other. and there was me wondering why there was such a bastard of a gap..(its like i have something against the newly painted housings with the amount of stuff i have allowed to leak over them)

that solved, he proceeded to help me with the starting of the car. it actually came close to starting at some point (this with copious amounts of start spray) but didnt really get there. richard turned up and being the helpful guy that he is, threw himself into the fray immediately. he noticed that my racing beat cables that i was so proud of, were beat up. way too much play and one of them even broke off!

well i know what ill be buying tomorrow. at least to eliminate the possibility of that being the cause of my non-start issues.

i have deflooded the engine and left the spark plugs out to dry.

*in the next episode of the adventures of NOOB-MAN....*

*click*

samjaza78

I would try a push/pull start, and see what happens. You seem to have the bases covered, minus hiccups, so the motor may just need an extra push to get going.

clokker

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That's what I was thinking too.

meerkat8701

Im here at the autoparts store to sort out some New ignition cables the if that doesnt work ill ty the push/pull start. Im out of ideas and patience tbh

driftxsequence

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I had a rough time getting my fresh engine going as well. I kept thinking the CAS was stabbed incorrectly. You may be able to remove the little cover on the rear iron to verify the engine is at TDC. I took a blow torch to dry off my spark plugs when they were wet.

meerkat8701

the start cables didnt help and i was about to sort out a pull start some things came up so i didnt have time to continue today. im actually quite thankful for the time i have been able to spend there. yesterday 10hrs, the day before 10 hrs...
so even though my pace is slow on the grounds of that almost everything is new for me, even the most elementry stuff, i can get stuff done an make some progress, nomatter how small.

after being on jackstands for a couple of weeks it was nice to gently set her down again. im always reminded of how much i like this car just by looking at it. itll be really nice to hear her start when she finally decides to.

i noticed a couple of things during my time at the garage today..

i tried winding down the drivers side window and it went about halfway then i had to help out a bit. looks like theres an addition to the 'things to do this winter' list.

i also connected the headights and stuff. i remember from when it actually was driveable that the beam was nothing short of unacceptable. by the garage it gets pitchblack at night. its a bit rural out there and theres no street lighting. you could hardly see in front of the car. xenon is illegal here (only allowed on emergency vehicles as far as i know) but not being able to see at night makes me much more nervous than the risk of getting a ticket.
joel, who owns a 200sx said that most cars with pop-up lights are afflicted with the curse of poor road illumination. ill have to investigate my avenues and sort something out this winter. wouldnt be a stupid idea to make use of the oppotunity to pull out the motors and grease up the moving parts. maybe see if there is anything that looks tatty and is on the brink of failure.
maybe one less thing to **** me off next summer.

i dont know if it was the angle i was looking at the rear from, (t was pretty close to the wall) but the exhaust tips seem to mysteriously have aligned themelves. this was another thing i was thinking about sorting out this winter. hope i wasnt just seeing things..

maybe tmrw will be the day...

meerkat8701

thats the thing. from what i see. as long as i put in the cas according to manual, i cant see how it could be so off. as to the the little cover (now i know what that was for anyway) does it still apply considering i have the rb flywheel?

88fc3sT2

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Hey if you want decent headlamps that fit good and are just plug and play, I used these on my old FC and they work pretty good. Plus the bulb is replaceable with modern ones

If you notice, it comes with a little blue bulb to give the lamp a blue hue (I took that crap out, too ricey) but it was way better than what I had before. Plus it looks a bit more modern. Just an idea in case you needed one. And make sure you get the right size too!

http://www.ebay.com/itm/4X6-CHROME-CRYSTAL-DIAMOND-CUT-HEADLIGHTS-CONVERSION-KIT-w-H4-BULBS-/271275135003?pt=Motors_Car_Truck_Parts_Accessories&fits=Year%3A1988%7CModel%3ARX-7&hash=item3f2942101b&vxp=mtr

clokker

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My '91 came with a set of eBay housings like those ^ and they were crap.
I replaced them with some Silverstars which were better, but still crap.
When I swapped into the '90 chassis I put in a set of Euro housings (Cibie, Hella?, can't remember...) with new H4 bulbs and that's better.

I contacted Daniel Stern Lighting and indeed, he recommends the Euro housings/bulbs as well, it's about as good as it gets without a lot of fab and expense.
With the housings already upgraded, he says to get additional driving/fog lamps to supplement the headlights.

I tried fitting some honkin big Hella lamps on the GTU- they were roundly ridiculed and frankly, didn't do much for visibility, so now they're scheduled to go on the Z.

My night vision has degraded and I don't really do much driving at night outside of urban areas (where there's lots of ambient light), so I kinda shelved the project.

Living in pitch darkness eight months of the year, I can see how you'd be more motivated.

Of course, right now your car couldn't outrun the lumens from a Zippo lighter, so...

meerkat8701

cool! thanks guys i really didnt think i would be able to by replacement housings! i was kind of resigned to thinking that parts for this car were in general a royal pain in the *** to get a hold of. basicly not worth hunting down and paying a pound of flesh and a pint of blood AND waiting a month for them. it would even seem that for once, being in europe goes in my favour! aaah ze germans... they are exceptionally good at making stuff.

im just at the garage waiting for someone to come and gimme a pull. ill be busying myself with random fiddle piddle during this period of anxious waiting...

clokker

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My Urban Dictionary- Swedish edition- defines "gimme a pull" as "Engaging the services of a prostitute" which I don't think will help the car much, but whatever.

samjaza78

Hella's e-code H4 conversion has gotten fairly solid reviews from the 240 crowd, and it's pretty inexpensive (around $100, iirc) and reasonably plug and play. After that, it's about good bulbs.

My best friend just bought a car with them, and I'll attest they wipe out my stock lights. I have the link at home, don't let me forget to send it to you.

meerkat8701

hahaha ill try to avoid it. around here i would only get the services of rough grizzly guys and last time i checked...not my thing

i actually checked the bulbs and both of them had a pin that was either off/loose and corroded. now theyre much better but i will still be changing them out.
the hella kit sounded good! its quite cheap to order from "tyskland" so ill be definately doing that this winter.

i want to do some night driving next summer. in fact, any driving at all would be great. that wasnt a pointed remark at anyone in particular *"cough-cough" rx7 can you start now please..*

still waiting for someone...anyone to come and gimme a pull (hehe) everyone seems otherwise engaged at the mo...

sigh...

meerkat8701

im starting to suspect that my car has an immobiliser. if i did the start motor wouldnt even engage though right?

meerkat8701

okeyyy...

im at a complete loss. i tried to pull start it. it didnt work. when i pulled the plugs, no petrol! just a little bit of oil on the ends..what the hell is going on...

im seriously at my wits end

disapointment after dissapointment is taking its toll on my patience..

clokker

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Just. Walk. Away.

Take a break or work on another aspect of the project.

Don't do anything rash.

Whatever the problem is, it'll show up/come to you/come to someone in time.

`explicit`

So if I'm up to speed, the car cranks but never catches? Have you tried starting it with the TPS disconnected?

It sounds like you've gotten everything put back in place so at this point I'd start checking pins at the ECU for all of your sensors. Just run through the list and check it all off.

meerkat8701

thats exactly what i did clokker. went and had a few beers with some colleagues of mine and ended up having a pleasant evening. definately took the edge of of my frustration. geuss ill just have to keep looking.

i havent tried that either. ill give it a go.

meerkat8701

weird day today. woke up a little hungover to be honest, and then remembered that i had left my daily driver on the other side of the city and at the same time that i had 1% battery on my mobile and the charger was in my daily driver... these two realizations meant only one thing. a long, boring train journey with NO MUSIC. i genuinely cant think of anything worse.

i drove straight to the garage, opened the door, realised that i had absolutely zero inclination to be there and promptly shut the door and went home.

i find myself having to remind myself that this is a hobby, not a fulltime job and it is actually ok to not feel like it sometimes

richard rang me later and said he was gonna go there so i thought i'd join. i had some ideas to try out and had drunk much more coffee by then, but then we just ended up tidying up the garage and when i turned around it was 2am.

like i said. bit of a weird day.

one thing crossed my mind before i left though. when out with her yesterday, i noticed there was this infernal beeping all the time. had a quick look in the faq and saw that its the power steering telling me somethings wrong. no **** sherlock. its gone. so i thought id would pop the fuse out and solve that problem.

then i noticed that my fusebox looks a bit different than whats shown in the faq. the really strange thing is that i do not appear to have a fuse for it.





i dont even know if removing the fuse would stop the incessant beeping
but it would be nice to be presented with the opportunity to try..

maņana maņana...

meerkat8701

looks like im gonna have to sort out some new ignition cables. i still dont think that this is the root of the problem but one of them broke the other day and i replaced it with a cable from the autoparts store. trouble is it doesnt fit over the sparkplug. i went back to see if i could get the right one which they didnt have and then another place but they didnt have anything like that either. i geuss i could go to mazda tmrw and se if they have any which i severely doubt, or i could just order some "racing" ones from an online store that stocks them here. whatever the case i geuss ill have to wait a couple days before any actual attempts to start the car can be made.

i wonder if there are any ignition cables from other cars that are interchangeable..
i havent found anything on the interweb about it anyway..

i attempted a start today anyway and the plugs just got soaked again. (at least its all four)

thing is its only one ignition cable thats buggered so wouldnt it at least TRY to start?

im beginning to suspect more and more that its the cas. theres something im doing/have done wrong and im not getting it. all of the piston guys i have talked to talk about putting it in 180 degrees wrong, but i dont see how that is possible with the 13b. i have little to no knowledge of pisto engines, but while peering into the enine bay of richards v70 R that he'll be fiddling with this winter i saw how the cas sits on the side of the cam. i dont know if that is the same with other cars but i can understand how it can be put on wrong in this case. even my mate that is rebuilding his porsche engine said that there is a risk of him doing it on his so i suppose that its possible on boxer engines too.

i noticed that the bracket that sits on my cas that you can adjust with has two bolts holding it on. it made me wonder if in my ignorance i have removed it whilst cleaning it and then put it back on wrong. this may make it possible for me to put it in 180 degrees wrong but then i geuss the wires and the two vacuum hoses wouldnt line up or something.

ill have to check it. im just thinking out loud really..

the feeling of being so close yet so far has never been stronger than right now..