seramaz

I've had it with this rotormotor-I cannot get it to fire-pulled the plugs and soaked with gas and now i want to sell the motor and trans. and install the Chevy. Where do I go to list this stuff for sale? I know you're all gonna discourage me, but the thing won't start now, and has always been this way- I'm trying to be patient, but now, nobody in this area where I live knows **** about these and now I made this decision to abort the the motor and install somethin' I know about.

swilson@assetworks.com

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If the plugs are soaked with fuel it is very possible you have an injector that is stuck open or is leaking badly. You can pull the upper manifold and then the fuel rails with the injectors attached and jumper the fuel pump to see if this is the problem.

The second gen parts FS section is where you need to post the engine/trans in the event that you don't want to take the time to sort the issue out.

AGreen

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That's the biggest pile of horse **** I've ever heard. If you had a better reason for installing a small block I'd probably buy it, but it sounds like you're drowning in your own inadequacies. I generally don't have issues with people putting LS series engines in Rx7's, they can be done quite nicely, and make tons of power while they're at it. This though... something just rubs me wrong about this.

An engine is an engine, it's the peripherals that are confusing you probably. If you look at it as just an engine with fuel injection attached to it, it suddenly becomes very simple.

Good luck putting a cross-brand engine in your car. If you can't figure out how to get your own car to start, maybe you shouldn't be considering an engine swap.

By the way, sounds like your engine is flooded.

airman90

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Like i always say dont buy a rx7 if you cant put up with them! Simple

nvmarx

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^^^
+1

seramaz

Whoa!! looks I hit a nerve here- If you read what I posted, you would understand that I want the motor gone; I don't want to fix it because I am an old school guy who likes Chevy engines and good bodies and chassis; think of this- Sarah Jessica Parker has a great body- but the face requires replacement, as does this rotormotor- I know nuthin' about 'em and have no desire to learn; I like jet engines too, Chrysler made a turbine car in the sixties- cool concept but did'nt fly with many or me; I'm old and I don't wanna know how a wankel werks; if I wanted a challenge, I'd go to Antartica. So I'll leave that for you rotorheads to try and make these things last for 50,000 miles with little or no maintenence. In short, I only want to offer the motor and all components to those who might appreciate it for what it is, I'm not asking anyone to judge me for my decision to drop a nuclear reactor into a Nash(sorry, I forgot most of you out there would'nt know what that was) I ain't no dumb **** as somebody referred to me as- maybe I just like cars with my own heartbeats; Dr. Frankenstein had his moments too, and so will I, despite your lunatic ramblings...

seramaz

P.S. "Put up with them" sounds like there is an ongoing problem, only I'm eliminating that "problem" I want to drive it, not constantly be trying to figure out "what's wrong now" that's for Harley owners to scratch their mullets about.

seramaz

They're just cars, nuthins' changed all the same- 4 wheels and a steering wheel- been that way since the late 1800s. BFD.

beefhole

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This is easy... Take the current engine OUT. Buy the chevy motor you want, and put it in the damn car. What's so hard about this?

PS
You'll need different motor mounts.

seramaz

If I am referring to my 90 as a FS- sorry for the confusion- I just don't know **** and don't really know much about these cars, excuse my ignorance, but give me that Chevy motor in the corner- I'll make some noise with that, thank-you.

seramaz

Thanks Beefhole- encouraging words.

AGreen

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Then you'll want to sell the car as a whole and buy a Camaro. If an engine with 3 moving parts confuses you, then Mazda's complex systems will definitely frustrate you to a point to where you'll be towing it down to a scrap yard.

Look. Like I said, usually I'm more receptive to someone swapping in a small block, but when you go to an Rx7 forum asking where to get parts to swap in a "chevy motor" because this "rotomotor" is pissing you off, then you should fully expect to get flamed for it. There's an "other engine conversions" forum that you can get all your information on how to redneck your car.

I enjoy all types of cars. Although I may not like the style (i.e. donks, monster trucks, etc) I can at least appreciate the creativity and craftsmanship that goes into what they do. Would it make sense for a person to put a ford engine in a camaro because they knew fords better? Would it make sense to swap in an old 225 slant six into a Honda S2000 because that's what they know better, and they seem to think that 225's are more reliable than the "hand grenade" engine that Honda makes? NO. Is it cool to see an LS1 swapped into a C3 corvette? Hell yes. Is it awesome to see guys put diesel engines in Jeeps? Absolutely. That's creative. Swapping a tree-fiddy in everything is not creative, it's not cool, anyone can do it, and it only shows everyone that you have no talent.

Once again, if it's info on swapping in a small block you're looking for, go to the other engine conversion forum.

REAmemiya_fan

Old fashioned, eh? Well i believe in your time they were making 10A's... Back then it was even simpler, and had far less moving parts. Not to mention an engine that was the size of a bucket and produced more power than the 4cyl of the time. Now flash forward 15-20 years and you have the still wonderfully simple 13B. There really isnt much to these engines, so i dont understand why people have such times figuring them out, other thsn sheer laziness. You're having a flooding issue, as stated before. Pull the fuel fuse, crank for ten secs, put the fuse back in, go down to the nearest shop, ask them to flow test the injectors. Namely the secondaries (on the upper intake manifold). Undo two bolts and pull them out, hand them to the service rep, and have them tested. If the are leaking, like they most certainly are, have them rebuilt, and put them back in the car. boom! I bet you start every time. Rotaries were built with strict tolerances, they arent lazy mechanic 350s that can be put back together with gaskets and off the shelf parts all from auto zone. Put in the time, get the performance and reliability out.

theflatlander

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Idk why my motor is flooding...better do a v8 swap. That's logical right?

clokker

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I have absolutely no problems with swapped RXs (my FD is a V-8) but there are a few practical obstacles you should consider.

I don't know how things work in your neck of the woods but here in CO you can't legally swap in a motor older than the chassis.
So, what 350 were you planning on using?
If it's a contemporary of the RX, chances are that it's going to have the same type of systems that are currently giving you trouble in the rotary, namely, fuel/ignition.
If you're comfortable with the V-8 fuel/ignition setup, there's no reason you couldn't deal with the Mazda stuff.

Engine swaps are so common that there is already a significant aftermarket support system (parts/info), and actually mounting the engine/tranny is a matter of only a few hours.
That's the easy 10% of the job, from then on it's all custom and you'll be elbow deep in the Mazda chassis as your engine swap dominoes through the rest of the subsystems.
Nothing will remain untouched/unchanged, so the work involved is significantly more extensive than a simple rotary rebuild- be prepared.
This is particularly true of the electrical system, I'll bet most failed swaps stalled due to the electrics.
Having already done this, my recommendation (radical as it may seem) is to ditch the entire electrical system and build from scratch. The stock harness contains all the wiring for every option available, many for systems you no longer need/want.
It might appear simpler to "weed out" the unused stuff but IMO, it really isn't.

Besides, once you pull the engine and look at the bay, you'll note that the remaining electrical components (fuse boxes/relays, etc.) are placed to clear other assemblies you no longer have.
Like I said, domino effect.

If legality is a goal, you should check the laws and procedure before you start, it can make life much simpler.
For example, some states require the title of the donor car (the engine source) to prove suitability, others don't.
Know ahead of time what your emissions requirements are and how to register the newly swapped vehicle.

I like swaps but they are a lot more involved than most people think.

seramaz

Okay, let me make this simple for all to understand- when I bought this car on ebay, the guy told me the motor ran but it smoked bad- perfect. I have a V6 Chevy that is ready to be installed into whatever I found out there that appealled to me- I learn that RX7s are great donors for V8 or V6 swaps and the chassis are well built and lots of room for these motors. I bought the car for 1253.00 on ebay, brought it back to Canada, found that the speedo drive o-ring was leaking on the cat, causing it to smoke- fix that and replace mufflers and now the car ran fine- tempermental in cooler temps but started. I did not plan on keeping this motor, so I sign up to RX7 club to sell the parts I don't want, is this a crime? I'm only trying to offer these items to those who may want them- call me what you like - redneck, dumbass whatever- but I will sell the stuff I don't want regardless what you think - I don't need "members" telling me how not to **** up my car- I did'nt buy it for you- but I'll sell ya some stock items cheap.
p.s. It's a V6 Chevy by the way, not a V8- remember, "he who travels light, travels fast."
Simple...as...that.

misterstyx69

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http://www.grannysspeedshop.com/
here is a place to get your conversion parts.
now,if you want that 'boat anchor' out of your way,It'd pick it up.(free.)..just to make all your problems disappear.
Good luck anyways.

AGreen

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... which is why Mazda designed the car with a rotary engine.

REAmemiya_fan

+1

seramaz

Yes Mr Styx, yer right, but I'm not givin' the stuff away- I know it has value- and lots of parts will go- this car is not a rust bucket and the components I'm offering are not coated in rust or corroded aluminum- and the weight factor? this V6 chevy has alum. heads, water pump, intake,that's just the big stuff- so when is all said and done, this motor won't be far off the weight of the ******-A/C components will be gone also (it's a vert) and I won't need those parts either. There are members out there lookin' for items I'm sellin'- the weight factor? not an issue- more torque and music to my ears from the tailpipes, no earplugs required.

AGreen

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The big stuff... you forgot the cast iron block.

What kind of chevy v6 is this? A 4.3?

seramaz

Motors' a 229 3.8L with new pistons, crane cam, melling oil pump cloyes gears new oil pan and a vast array of other good components, all for $650.-try rebuilding a rotormotor for that price- I've had this motor for years, and I bought this car for that reason- and yea, a cast iron block not an alum. what should it be Kevlar? Not sure, but the rotor also has cast iron components does it not? Like I said before- "I did'nt buy it for you" I bought it for the chassis and that is why we are havin' this debate- some seem to think that "I'm clubbing baby seals"
Apparently, these conversions have been going on for some time with these cars, long before me- seems to be a pattern here that some don't want to accept that reliabilty of the rotormotor is suspect- therefore I suspect something suspicious, and the piston engine goes bump-bump and the Mazda goes Hmmmmmm....and on that note I say "Hmmmm I wonder why these guys are pullin' the rotor and inserting the piston engine?" Hmmmmm.

REAmemiya_fan

http://atkinsrotary.com/store/produc...4&cat=0&page=1

The reliability of the "rotomotor" is only as good as the owners ability to maintain. bone stock from the factory, never rebuilt rotaries have been taken to well above the 200k+ mile mark many many times. If you maintain the engine like your supposed to, then it will be fine. The reason why so many Americans don't like it, is because they are too lazy and cheap to keep up with it. They like things that take nothing more than a $10 tune up and want it to run faster than anything.

Because they are too lazy and unwilling to make the power out of them. BIG IS NOT ALWAYS BETTER. I want to one day teach every Big Block loving 2000lb engine swapping idiot that when it comes to performance, POWER:WEIGHT ratios are everything. The stock 13B 6-Port has the HIGHEST power to wieght ratio of any mass production engine in the world.

clokker

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Irrelevant and not factual.
In general, most swaps end up weighing almost exactly the same as the stockers.
Furthermore, most swaps maintain the F/R balance of the stock car as well.

Also, do not discount the advantage of simplicity.
Your average NA V-8 is going to give you somewhere in the neighborhood of 250-300RWHP...with no turbos/intercoolers/piping, etc.
The ancillaries ( because I never hear anyone advocating for rotary NA builds) add a lot of weight to a comparably powered rotary and certainly add to underhood clutter/heat issues.

There are other practical considerations as well.
A street driven rotary car is a nightmare in an emissions state.
My 91 NA (basically full stock, running nicely) barely squeaks through testing every two years (and even so, requires copious amounts of denatured alcohol and some creative retweaking of the vacuum lines)...the swapped V-8 Quick Passed and didn't even have to complete the full cycle.
My NA rotary averages 17mpg city, the V-8, 24mpg.

I won't even bring up torque except to say that the V-8 gots it, the rotary don't.

seramaz

WOW! It's like taking a stick and pokin' the hornets nest-(REAfan) I did'nt buy the car new and maintain the ******' thing from the start- if I did, I just might have the passion YOU do- I would'nt change ****; but I did'nt and this V6 I stuff in the "sacred hole" will do what I want it to do- sing, dance and maybe drop some panties- not pants. I respect your passion for this motor and all it represents to an alternative source of propulsion, however- I'm not stuffin' a 2000lb BB chev into a little jap car- I'm giving it some Viagra- got a problem with that? I'm sure your wife would agree with me, but we won't go there. And wait a sec- why you trashin' Americans about "being lazy" and likin' $10 tune ups? I have no recollection of that in my conversation, and yea, a can of "MotorMedic" does wonders to that old "piece of ****" that yer sellin' on ebay- what do ya want for $10? New everything?
You won't convince me, no way for what I wanna do- and what I wanna do is offer the parts I don't need to the needy that do- and that just might be you because I see that your "87 sport is outta commision" and the 88 needs some "details" - maybe I have what you need...
Johnny Cash said this- "I don't like it but I guess things happen that way."
And Clokker- nice hood ornament and great points in your thread- this rotor I have NEVER passed an etest in Ontario and then I decided to "make that change" it was'nt like I did'nt try, just wanted the body, not the brain- a la Sara Jessica Parker.

Let's move on to "new business" I'm done buttin' heads here.
p,s. - thanks for hi-lighting my points, YOU made my point.