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Old 07-15-09, 01:02 PM
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that's a pretty sweet set of cars. your parts are intriging me. do you have a site i can check out? sorry if i'm being stupid here.
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Sorry for the delay in answering the questions...but I have been on the road visiting suppliers.

Originally Posted by afgmoto1978
How much was that ballistic fuel cell? Did ATL give you a part number so others could order the same cell? I was going to do the same with my race car, but since you already did it, awesome less work for me!

Do you guys plan on utilizing drop spindles in the future?

Thanks and GLWB
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That is one big Fuel Cell, I was just going to say what it that box doing in between the bars....LOL...

The cell is designed jointly between ourselves and ATL here in the UK. It comes in a variety of flavours and so far we have made a 75 Litre and 110 Litre. The one in the picture is a 110 Litre cell. It is designed to fit within the rollcage, and has 2 filler necks that can either be run using a normal pump nozzle or dry breaks. The tank is shaped so that it utilises the saddles to store the fuel, thus keeping the weight as low as possible. Each saddle contains a collector pot, which excludes the need for swirl pots, and the entire tanks is foam filled. The outlets are at the very bottom of the tank, and these are joined together in an unequal T -6 to -6 to -8 and then attach to the fuel pump. Seeing as they are joined together they balance out the fuel level. The return comes into the top of the tank and is Tee'd off back into the collector pots.

I will get a price for you from ATL as their prices have increased recently, but it is in the region of £5000 inc dry breaks.





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Originally Posted by Black Hearts
awesome work guys.


by any chance can you make a carbon kevlar lip? oem style or anything that can fit a 99 spec front bumper? lmk thanks guys
We do a chin spoiler that mounts to the standard 92-98 bumper...but as yet haven't manufactured one for the 99 spec look.

We do both Carbon and GRP. The one on the Yellow car is in Carbon, the one on the car below is GRP.

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Originally Posted by gmonsen
BTW, please notice the big brake kit these guys sell. They ran a thread on it some time ago and some guys thought it was not up to snuff. However, I still like it, though I am sure there are many more expensive and perhaps better kits available. For the price, though, I think they have a great setup on offer and it has rear brakes with the ebrake.

I forgot, Jon. What's the cost for the fronts and separately the rears?

Gordon
Hiya Gordon,

The brakes are proving more and more popular now. And we have a number of people using them here in the UK in both Race and road format.

As you can see we developed a pedal box to compliment the new callipers, being able to match the master cylinders with the piston sizes.

The brakes come in various sizes but our main one is the 360mm disc with a 6 pot calliper. These are at a cost of £1265 + Delivery but exclude pads, fluid and lines. The lines are extra at £33. We dont through the above in as most people have the lines on their car already, fluid we can sell, but is a subjective item as are the pads. We favour the Ferodo DS range, but I'd rather not include a set of pads you dont want to use.

The rears are a 320mm on a 4 pot calliper and include a handbrake. We supply a new cable and this joins seamlessly onto the OEM set up, and will certainly hold the car on a hill. Although I wouldnt use it for handbrake turns! They work out at £930 inc Rotors, Callipers, Bells, Brackets, Bolts, Cable.

We are also looking to run a 390mm disc with an 8 pot calliper on our car. This is a new design, and runs 4 pads in each calliper! Expensive when running the new DS2.11 pads at £145 a set! But gives a massive pad area...so should stop us on a dime!
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Originally Posted by theorie
wow very nice work and very sexy cars. looking forward to seeing the new parts you are developing.
Many thanks for the kind words. We are trying to develop a range that is based around quality and not driven by the eBay market, which seems to cut corners to achieve a lower price, but then the brand pulls down the value of the cars. All of our products are race proven, and so we can quickly test under harsh conditions the life span of a component, and feed this back into the development of further components.

My aim is to feature weekly components, as we have built up a good arsenal of parts now

Originally Posted by Prometheus
"Do you guys plan on utilizing drop spindles in the future?"

Yes, do tell.
I'm not sure if there is a difference in translation across the pond here...can you explain which part this is?
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Originally Posted by Prometheus
those mirrors are beautiful, more info?
Strangely I put up a poll on the UK Rx website, and the general consensus of these mirrors was a resounding no! Which is a shame as I really like them.

They were designed to utilise the standard electrical parts in the OE mirrors, as the motor isn't that heavy. It also allows you to be able to use the mirrors whilst on track. They were just a prototype....so I'm not sure whether we will invest anymore time into these!

Maybe if you can conjure up some more interest on here...we might
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Originally Posted by memphisraines82
I think you have of us track guys drooling over your car you built in 2 weeks!! What about the front lip/splitter? Is it available for purchase? I'm assuming if it would work with the 93-98 front bumper, it should work with the 99+? As Adam said, really like the fuel cell. Is that an entire underside flat panel I see hanging down on the sides?
Cheers for the vote of confidence We worked our nuts off to get the car to where it was...and we havent stopped since! We send the car to the paint shop on a dolly we made, and then use the time to strip all of the suspension down, shot blast the arms and rebush using the powerflex bushes, we then respray the diff carrier and rebush, weld on various brackets to the subframes and respray, likewise with gearbox, PPF, prop and drive shafts. Once the shell is back, the underside can be practically built in a day then.

We would of had more done, but we are still developing a number of the components on the car...and so there was lots of toing and froing which took time. Once this car is finished, I am confident we could transform a road car within 5-6 weeks to a fully ready to race track car

I have put up a post on the lip showing it on our first car.

Hopefully you will see the post for the ATL cell, it really is amazing, and gives you everything you need

The flat floor comes in 4 pieces. There are 2 carbon sections that sit under the car, and these run from under the front subframe to the rear subframe. They then butt up to the diffuser at the rear, giving a smooth clean surface. There is a slight gap between the front of the flat floor and the front splitter. We are just in the process of producing the skirts that sit on the lower sill and fill the gap to the flat floor.
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Originally Posted by Nat6c
that's a pretty sweet set of cars. your parts are intriging me. do you have a site i can check out? sorry if i'm being stupid here.
Core...I didnt realise how long it takes to answer questions!

I like to intrigue people....so by all means ask as many questions about the parts we produce.

Unfortunately I wish I could call you stupid on this occasion, but running a full time workshop, as well as running the office, I am increasingly struggling to find the time to dedicate to our website. Foolish I know, but I am going to lock myself away once this week is out of the way....and hammer some time into it.

Right off to visit another supplier...and then hopefully I will be back to answer questions later
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awesome work
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looking crazy cool,
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Originally Posted by AtomicRex
The flat floor comes in 4 pieces. There are 2 carbon sections that sit under the car, and these run from under the front subframe to the rear subframe. They then butt up to the diffuser at the rear, giving a smooth clean surface. There is a slight gap between the front of the flat floor and the front splitter. We are just in the process of producing the skirts that sit on the lower sill and fill the gap to the flat floor.
Would this work/fit on a street car with an (RE:worx) V-Mount kit?
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Originally Posted by AtomicRex
I'm not sure if there is a difference in translation across the pond here...can you explain which part this is?
Drop Spindles/ upright and A-arms

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Originally Posted by AtomicRex
Strangely I put up a poll on the UK Rx website, and the general consensus of these mirrors was a resounding no! Which is a shame as I really like them.

They were designed to utilise the standard electrical parts in the OE mirrors, as the motor isn't that heavy. It also allows you to be able to use the mirrors whilst on track. They were just a prototype....so I'm not sure whether we will invest anymore time into these!

Maybe if you can conjure up some more interest on here...we might
Id love to see some pictures, where the focus is the mirror.

I love the fact that it uses OEM parts.

Interest is easier to generate when there are tasty photos to be seen.
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congrats on the car. lots of nice engineering.

design often is picking between tradeoffs and it seems to me your fuel cell has a very high CG. lots of nice work on it and it is close to the center of the car but when filled at 6.25 pounds per gallon and considering the stock FD CG is 17 inches it is going to be adding alot of lateral weight transfer.

i would have not done the center exhaust and rear undertray and located the cell as low as possible and as close as possible to the rear subframe.

more rear weight. more hook. if you need some rear downforce you could do a wing. my guess is you will need some additional rear downforce considering the size of the front splitter.

anyway, my best wishes to you and it is great to see FDs where they belong... on a road racing circuit.

in what sanctioning body and races is the car does the car compete?

howard

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Originally Posted by howard coleman
congrats on the car. lots of nice engineering.

design often is picking between tradeoffs and it seems to me your fuel cell has a very high CG. lots of nice work on it and it is close to the center of the car but when filled at 6.5 pounds per gallon and considering the stock FD CG is 17 inches it is going to be adding alot of lateral weight transfer.

i would have not done the center exhaust and rear undertray and located the cell as low as possible and as close as possible to the rear subframe.

more rear weight. more hook. if you need some rear downforce you could do a wing. my guess is you will need some additional rear downforce considering the size of the front splitter.

anyway, my best wishes to you and it is great to see FDs where they belong... on a road racing circuit.

in what sanctioning body and races is the car does the car compete?

howard
Hello Howard, my heart skipped a beat when I realised you had posted on my thread...I thought you were going to rip me apart...but I dont feel too bad after that

I'm glad you like the engineering side, we have gone to town to build a car that sits on principle rather than looks pretty. The good thing is that all of the items we have made actually look good, so function as well as form

The COG of the standard FD is higher due to items such as the rear tailgate, running a Carbon item with Lexan window, reduces the weight considerably. If you look at the lower level of the bin and the lower edge of the original fuel tank...there really isn't that much difference. Maybe 20mm?

By having the weight in between the axle lines it makes it easier to account for the changes in corner weights as the fuel reduces. The original tank suffered from major problems with slosh so going through chicanes we would suffer from a pendulum effect. We have eradicated this by foam filling the OEM tanks, but you still have a large and changing weight behind the rear axle, and that isn't the best of plans. The new tank is far easier to fill in an endurance race, as it takes approx 1 minute to fill the 110 Litres.

We arent just running the diffuser alone, it will be complimented with a dual element wing. We fix these on the rear rear quarter panels, with carbon stantions, so are totally solid. You can have 2 people stood on them Running them off the rear hatch is so bad...they just arent stiff enough, so get flex.

All of the races here in the UK run to the MSA rule book.
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What do those cars weight??
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The yellow car is weighing in at 870kgs at the moment

But that is without fluids, bonnet and electrics

So I doubt much over 920kgs?
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jon is correct as to listing the benefits of a centrally located fuel cell. in a 30 minute race you burn 65 pounds of fuel.

most racers confuse the last 10 minutes of what is going on w their racecar and say that there tires went off or the track was greasy... in actuality most of this change is because 65 pounds of weight has been removed from the rear tires.

i had a cockpit adjustable ride height system that allowed me to add 1/2 inch RR ride height which readjusted the weight balance back to where it was at the beginning of the race.

all of a sudden the track wasn't greasy and my tires were fine. on a front engine rear drive road racing car you can't get too much rear weight and you can't get it too low.

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Originally Posted by AtomicRex
Davies craig 110

all our water system is fully JIC fitted. So the beauty about the dc pump is that we have taken off the stock necks and fitted our own billet ones.

. . .
Do you sell the billet necks for the DC110 pump? If it isn't an item you produce regularly, would you be willing to make another set? Please PM me a price shipped to 87120.

Thank you kindly.
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Do you sell the billet necks for the DC110 pump? If it isn't an item you produce regularly, would you be willing to make another set? Please PM me a price shipped to 87120.

Thank you kindly.
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The flanges are water cut for accuracy from 6mm aluminium. Then Goodridge -16 fittings welded into place.

The kit comes with 2 welded flanges.

£45 delivered.

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Sorry for dragging this topic back up but I just love what Jon is doing with these products at the moment. I had a proper good gander around the car at Rotorstock and everything seems to be done to a high standard.

I just need some pennies to get some parts for myself!
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