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Old Jun 24, 2012 | 12:20 AM
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Nice parts! I like the quartermaster clutches in the display case I got a 7.25 8 leg at the end of last year.
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Old Jun 24, 2012 | 01:03 AM
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You took the engine out of peters car and is going to be n/a 3rotor now?
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Old Jun 24, 2012 | 04:39 AM
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Looking good any chance of pictures of the ports from inside the rotor housings?

I have been wondering for a while if someone was going to try 3 spark plugs. Mazda used 3 on the lemans winning engine so it's definately giving you a sharper edge on the sword you spoke of before.

What are you going to gain from running 3 spark plugs?
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Old Jun 24, 2012 | 04:43 AM
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Are you using earlier housings on the pp motor? As there is no knock sensor hole?
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Old Jun 24, 2012 | 10:08 AM
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Dude amazing work
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Old Jun 24, 2012 | 03:39 PM
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Originally Posted by Brent Dalton
Nice parts! I like the quartermaster clutches in the display case I got a 7.25 8 leg at the end of last year.
Thanks! Yeah we like quartermater, that is going in a customers car. The other two are Tilton and Alcon.


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You took the engine out of peters car and is going to be n/a 3rotor now?
Yep, its gone through a major transformation. Tube frame front end and also my n/a 3-rotor. Peter doesn't own it anymore either, he sold it to Matt (FDwarrior) a couple years back.


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Looking good any chance of pictures of the ports from inside the rotor housings?

I have been wondering for a while if someone was going to try 3 spark plugs. Mazda used 3 on the lemans winning engine so it's definately giving you a sharper edge on the sword you spoke of before.

What are you going to gain from running 3 spark plugs?
Cant take pics from the inside this time around. Not sure what the gains will be but hoping the 3% Mazda found applies here too. So possibly 15-19hp.

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Are you using earlier housings on the pp motor? As there is no knock sensor hole?
Good eye, they are a little bit cheaper than the later ones


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Dude amazing work
Thank you
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Old Jun 24, 2012 | 03:44 PM
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Okay so I may have left a couple details out on the new full p-port engine. First- Its not actually a 3-rotor. Second- Its a 4-rotor But testing them side by side will still apply. Sorry for teasing you guys a little bit!





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Old Jun 24, 2012 | 11:07 PM
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Well the 4 rotor is definately going to have the edge to start with seen as its bigger but hopefully it will help you net more with the 3spp.

Does the 3 spark plugs allow you to change the timing to gain the extra HP? I don't know much about timing adjustments but have seen that adjusting timing can give you more HP or a broken engine.
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Old Jun 25, 2012 | 03:07 AM
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Paint those signal scoops black inside....

Or, you will regret!
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Old Jun 25, 2012 | 05:13 AM
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Looking good! Looks like the ports are pretty much the same as the ones I'm using , looking forward to see how your doing the intake and exhaust.
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Old Jun 25, 2012 | 05:57 AM
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Originally Posted by GtoRx7.

The Full p-port engine next to the semi p-port. Semi p-ports looks so small!

Just wondering what the size is of the Semi pp port?
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Old Jun 25, 2012 | 10:54 AM
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Huh... interesting on the cooling ports in the old housings; I take it that worked out fairly well? Also, looks like the 3rd plugs are going through the dowel hole... oil bypass lines and studs or something to compensate? What sort of diameter are you at on the full peripheral ports?

Neat stuff!
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Old Jun 25, 2012 | 06:17 PM
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Originally Posted by Grant M
Well the 4 rotor is definately going to have the edge to start with seen as its bigger but hopefully it will help you net more with the 3spp.

Does the 3 spark plugs allow you to change the timing to gain the extra HP? I don't know much about timing adjustments but have seen that adjusting timing can give you more HP or a broken engine.
Doesnt change the timing, but it burns the little extra volume on the far trailing side of the rotor.


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Paint those signal scoops black inside....

Or, you will regret!
Maybe I will just leave them silver....

Originally Posted by John Huijben
Looking good! Looks like the ports are pretty much the same as the ones I'm using , looking forward to see how your doing the intake and exhaust.
Thanks! The intake will be pretty straight forward and cool, the exhaust wont get any photos though regrettably.


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Huh... interesting on the cooling ports in the old housings; I take it that worked out fairly well? Also, looks like the 3rd plugs are going through the dowel hole... oil bypass lines and studs or something to compensate? What sort of diameter are you at on the full peripheral ports?

Neat stuff!
Yeah the cooling mods work excellent. The 3rd plug does go through the dowel, and a two piece dowel pin is used. We feed oil directly into each stationary gear so nothing has to change in the oil department. The Full p-port diameter is 50mm
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Old Jun 25, 2012 | 06:35 PM
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this is just nuts, i wonder how it feel inside of this thing at the track, amazing work!
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Old Jun 25, 2012 | 10:04 PM
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So my next question is what compression rotors are you going to be using? Are you going to use the same as before or do you think maybe an increase in compression, not by much could net any gains? Also have you gone for some custom rotors? There seems to be a few people using titanium for making rotors, either by casting it or by machining it like Carl Hayward has done here in the uk. To be tested very soon.
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Old Jun 25, 2012 | 10:26 PM
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My hat is off to you fellow rotorhead...i love what you did w/ the wheels, nice & wide
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Old Jun 26, 2012 | 05:43 AM
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are you going to look into the rotor housing machining that extreme rotaries is doing to the coolant passages around the spark plug area? theyve basically taken the idea (from whichever usa shop used to do it im unsure of the details) of creating turbulence aroudn the plug areas and modernised it and designed a CNC program that does the machining inside the passages and they also machine a flat on the housing to put 2x -6AN coolant feeds that are supplied by an electric pump that draws from the cool side of the radiator and pushes through another auxiliary radiator then to the feed lines.
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Old Jun 27, 2012 | 02:58 AM
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Originally Posted by FD_virus85
this is just nuts, i wonder how it feel inside of this thing at the track, amazing work!
It is extremely easy to drive, but all the G-forces are simply out of this world! Love it.

Originally Posted by Grant M
So my next question is what compression rotors are you going to be using? Are you going to use the same as before or do you think maybe an increase in compression, not by much could net any gains? Also have you gone for some custom rotors? There seems to be a few people using titanium for making rotors, either by casting it or by machining it like Carl Hayward has done here in the uk. To be tested very soon.

Compression is staying the same in the 3-rotor, might change to something different in the 4 rotors. We are on the list from mazdatrix for some Ti rotors.

Originally Posted by brad89au
are you going to look into the rotor housing machining that extreme rotaries is doing to the coolant passages around the spark plug area? theyve basically taken the idea (from whichever usa shop used to do it im unsure of the details) of creating turbulence aroudn the plug areas and modernised it and designed a CNC program that does the machining inside the passages and they also machine a flat on the housing to put 2x -6AN coolant feeds that are supplied by an electric pump that draws from the cool side of the radiator and pushes through another auxiliary radiator then to the feed lines.
We do a lot of work on the inside of the engine, and our design works great as-is
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Old Jun 27, 2012 | 09:56 PM
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So when are we to expect the motors in and running?

Looking forward to the 4rotor intake system. Will you be doing similar to Mazda and having the injectors close to port or further upstream?

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Old Jun 28, 2012 | 12:46 AM
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The 3 rotor is finished being assembled, and going into the nissan this weekend hopefully if we get a free moment. Start up next week maybe? The 4 rotor is still waiting on balancing and a couple other parts before assembly. The 4 rotor will replicate the 3 rotors injector placement. 1 on the bell-mouth, and 1 a couple inches away from the port.
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Old Jun 28, 2012 | 08:39 AM
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Good stuff.

Did you increase the size of the semi pp on the 3 rotor?
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Old Jun 29, 2012 | 01:35 AM
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The actual port is still 1", but I added a taper on the entrance. Seeing what kind of effects it has.
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Old Jul 2, 2012 | 01:56 PM
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this is a wondefull threat!

I wonder about the polished rotors tho,
Issn't the fuel going to stick to it with such a fine polish?

How mutch would it cost to build me a semi pp TB intake like yours (pm me please).
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Old Jul 2, 2012 | 05:21 PM
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This is hellova setup mate, wish I had the knowledge or money to get my fd so rigged! :P
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Old Jul 21, 2012 | 03:33 AM
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You could attempt some sort of variable geometry intake...has worked so well for the manufacturers for n/a power delivery. Even the R26B used it...but a bit complicated.

A vacuum/butterfly actuation setup would work best...it's just designing and casting the manifold that are going to suck :[
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Yes, excellent thinking. That is already in the works though
Any updates on the crazy intake you are cookin up??
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