Non-turbo 428rwhp FD build up and history
Looking good
any chance of pictures of the ports from inside the rotor housings?
I have been wondering for a while if someone was going to try 3 spark plugs. Mazda used 3 on the lemans winning engine so it's definately giving you a sharper edge on the sword you spoke of before.
What are you going to gain from running 3 spark plugs?
any chance of pictures of the ports from inside the rotor housings?I have been wondering for a while if someone was going to try 3 spark plugs. Mazda used 3 on the lemans winning engine so it's definately giving you a sharper edge on the sword you spoke of before.
What are you going to gain from running 3 spark plugs?
Looking good
any chance of pictures of the ports from inside the rotor housings?
I have been wondering for a while if someone was going to try 3 spark plugs. Mazda used 3 on the lemans winning engine so it's definately giving you a sharper edge on the sword you spoke of before.
What are you going to gain from running 3 spark plugs?
any chance of pictures of the ports from inside the rotor housings?I have been wondering for a while if someone was going to try 3 spark plugs. Mazda used 3 on the lemans winning engine so it's definately giving you a sharper edge on the sword you spoke of before.
What are you going to gain from running 3 spark plugs?

Thank you
Okay so I may have left a couple details out on the new full p-port engine. First- Its not actually a 3-rotor. Second- Its a 4-rotor
But testing them side by side will still apply. Sorry for teasing you guys a little bit!


But testing them side by side will still apply. Sorry for teasing you guys a little bit! 

Well the 4 rotor is definately going to have the edge to start with seen as its bigger but hopefully it will help you net more with the 3spp.
Does the 3 spark plugs allow you to change the timing to gain the extra HP? I don't know much about timing adjustments but have seen that adjusting timing can give you more HP or a broken engine.
Does the 3 spark plugs allow you to change the timing to gain the extra HP? I don't know much about timing adjustments but have seen that adjusting timing can give you more HP or a broken engine.
Huh... interesting on the cooling ports in the old housings; I take it that worked out fairly well? Also, looks like the 3rd plugs are going through the dowel hole... oil bypass lines and studs or something to compensate? What sort of diameter are you at on the full peripheral ports?
Neat stuff!
Neat stuff!
Well the 4 rotor is definately going to have the edge to start with seen as its bigger but hopefully it will help you net more with the 3spp.
Does the 3 spark plugs allow you to change the timing to gain the extra HP? I don't know much about timing adjustments but have seen that adjusting timing can give you more HP or a broken engine.
Does the 3 spark plugs allow you to change the timing to gain the extra HP? I don't know much about timing adjustments but have seen that adjusting timing can give you more HP or a broken engine.
Maybe I will just leave them silver....

Huh... interesting on the cooling ports in the old housings; I take it that worked out fairly well? Also, looks like the 3rd plugs are going through the dowel hole... oil bypass lines and studs or something to compensate? What sort of diameter are you at on the full peripheral ports?
Neat stuff!
Neat stuff!
So my next question is what compression rotors are you going to be using? Are you going to use the same as before or do you think maybe an increase in compression, not by much could net any gains? Also have you gone for some custom rotors? There seems to be a few people using titanium for making rotors, either by casting it or by machining it like Carl Hayward has done here in the uk. To be tested very soon.
are you going to look into the rotor housing machining that extreme rotaries is doing to the coolant passages around the spark plug area? theyve basically taken the idea (from whichever usa shop used to do it im unsure of the details) of creating turbulence aroudn the plug areas and modernised it and designed a CNC program that does the machining inside the passages and they also machine a flat on the housing to put 2x -6AN coolant feeds that are supplied by an electric pump that draws from the cool side of the radiator and pushes through another auxiliary radiator then to the feed lines.
So my next question is what compression rotors are you going to be using? Are you going to use the same as before or do you think maybe an increase in compression, not by much could net any gains? Also have you gone for some custom rotors? There seems to be a few people using titanium for making rotors, either by casting it or by machining it like Carl Hayward has done here in the uk. To be tested very soon.
Compression is staying the same in the 3-rotor, might change to something different in the 4 rotors. We are on the list from mazdatrix for some Ti rotors.
are you going to look into the rotor housing machining that extreme rotaries is doing to the coolant passages around the spark plug area? theyve basically taken the idea (from whichever usa shop used to do it im unsure of the details) of creating turbulence aroudn the plug areas and modernised it and designed a CNC program that does the machining inside the passages and they also machine a flat on the housing to put 2x -6AN coolant feeds that are supplied by an electric pump that draws from the cool side of the radiator and pushes through another auxiliary radiator then to the feed lines.
So when are we to expect the motors in and running?
Looking forward to the 4rotor intake system. Will you be doing similar to Mazda and having the injectors close to port or further upstream?
Looking forward to the 4rotor intake system. Will you be doing similar to Mazda and having the injectors close to port or further upstream?
Last edited by Grant M; Jun 27, 2012 at 10:12 PM.
The 3 rotor is finished being assembled, and going into the nissan this weekend hopefully if we get a free moment. Start up next week maybe? The 4 rotor is still waiting on balancing and a couple other parts before assembly. The 4 rotor will replicate the 3 rotors injector placement. 1 on the bell-mouth, and 1 a couple inches away from the port.
this is a wondefull threat!
I wonder about the polished rotors tho,
Issn't the fuel going to stick to it with such a fine polish?
How mutch would it cost to build me a semi pp TB intake like yours (pm me please).
I wonder about the polished rotors tho,
Issn't the fuel going to stick to it with such a fine polish?
How mutch would it cost to build me a semi pp TB intake like yours (pm me please).
You could attempt some sort of variable geometry intake...has worked so well for the manufacturers for n/a power delivery. Even the R26B used it...but a bit complicated.
A vacuum/butterfly actuation setup would work best...it's just designing and casting the manifold that are going to suck :[
A vacuum/butterfly actuation setup would work best...it's just designing and casting the manifold that are going to suck :[






