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Battle Cat 06-02-09 10:57 PM

MY 13B-RE Fd single turbo build(standing up for the Rotary) lots of pics
 
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In the midst of a world of RX-7's with V8's, im standing my ground and keeping my swap Rotary. Thats the point of owning an RX-7, because of its unique motor and body design.

Although i have thought bout the V8 swap(ls2 swap), espcially after riding in my friends LS1 fc(making 468 to the wheels). I love rotaries to much to do that.
dont get me wrong, V8 RX's are fun and fast. but Rotary= PURE AWSOME.

so here we go.

My plan is build a Great FD that is track ready, yet streetable and looks great.

I plan on tracking the FD atleast 2 times a month. I want to prove to People that Rotaries are as, if not more Reliable than piston motors.

Goal is to make 380hp at 11-13psi.

The Chasis: 93 FD3S Base model. Silver with black interior. no sun roof. 90k miles on the chasis. Tokico whites with neuspeed springs.

the Chasis has been sitting since 2000. close to 10yrs.....

I plan on painting the car a purple. still have not decided what shade to go with yet.

The break down of my Set up:
of what i have and what im going to get.
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Fuel set up:
  • Custom Fuel rails (made by turblown)
  • SS fuel rail lines
  • Aeromotive Fuel pressure regulator
  • Supra twin turbo fuel pump
  • Baffle/surge tank( going to get one fabricated soon)
  • Aeromotive A1000 external fuel pump
  • injectors (still dont know what size cc to get...)

Turbo set up:
  • RE-Amemiya T4 Turbo manifold
  • GT35R T4 Garret(still have to buy)
  • Wastegate(not sure what to get as of yet)
  • SS oil lines for Turbo

Exhaust Set up:
  • Apexi GT Spec 4 inch cat back

Oil cooling:
i plan on running upgraded oilcoolers, SS lines with the proper ducting,
still not sure what brand to get.

Intercooler set up:
  • Custom vmount set up(will fabricate later on)
  • Radiator (not sure what to get)
  • HKS SSQ BOV

Managements Ecu, boost:
  • Power FC
  • Greddy Profec B type 2 boost controller

Chasis:
  • 99 spec conversion( still have to buy bumper and lip, OEM tails, and OEM wing.)
  • D-Max Carbon fiber D1 style vented hood( still have to buy)
  • bushing kit( still not sure which to get)
  • canards(still have to buy)
  • upgraded sway bars(still have to buy)
  • Rear carbon defuser(still have to buy)

Wheels and suspension:
im still not sure what coilover set i should get...

wheels i plan on getting

SSR Proffesor sp1's

17x10.5 front
17x11.5 rear

still unsure on the off set and tire size..

Interior:
  • Nardi Deep corn suede 340MM steering wheel
  • Rx8 shift knob
  • pink ebrake billet
  • Defi gauges(still need to buy)
  • Roll cage(still need to buy)


I know im still missing a lot of stuff, but heres some pics.. enjoy.

Any and all criticism is welcome.

dropping off the parts to get cleaned and assembled by Lucky 7 Racing in Duarte CA.
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Painted motor
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Lapped Iron
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Painted rotor housings
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Painted block
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Battle Cat 06-02-09 10:58 PM

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Fuel rail set up.

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rotors prior to cleaning.
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Renton 06-02-09 11:02 PM

:icon_tup:

Battle Cat 06-02-09 11:07 PM

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Kolokoi 06-02-09 11:09 PM

can't wait to see this car running

Battle Cat 06-02-09 11:11 PM

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Cleaned out the Chasis..

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after cleaning(well most of the car lol )

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GREENMAN! 06-02-09 11:17 PM

This is good.

Battle Cat 06-02-09 11:18 PM

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Heres a link of the Cosmo tear down.

https://www.rx7club.com/west-rx-7-forum-193/so-my-fd-finally-home-hahaha-time-get-work-837922/page6/


basically all i did today was slap on my front mudflaps, clean the engine bay out just a tad more, and put the bumper back on.

had to run errands so i couldnt do as much as i wanted to.....

pics of the new tail lights and exhaust.

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cleaned the driver side .
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front mudflaps, after i cleaned and painted them
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also removed 2 things that were located in the grill of the bumper

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Battle Cat 06-02-09 11:28 PM

heres my baby as she sits now :D

http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b3...20pics/003.jpg
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Battle Cat 06-02-09 11:48 PM

Also forgot to add, im removing the ABS system as well.

rommellikewhoa 06-03-09 01:02 AM

doooo eeeeet

finishline 06-03-09 01:03 AM

fun times. just like project scarlet, but more intense.

Prometheus 06-03-09 02:04 AM

Looks great!

Look into the synapse engineering wastegates and blow off valves (best on the market, in my opinion)

Renton 06-03-09 02:39 AM

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papsmagu 06-03-09 09:08 AM

while everything is out of the engine bay you may want to convert you steering rack to manual? Just a suggestion. Also, if you are keeping the MOP get some SS lines for it.

Ceylon 06-03-09 09:22 AM

Engine looks awesome painted - Looking forward to the rest of this thread :icon_tup:

Force13B 06-03-09 11:23 AM

Looks like things are going good so far Jaime

RE-Mamamia 06-03-09 11:51 AM

i have been tracking the FD pretty frequently the last couple of months, twin turbos and all, it's as reliable as anything out on the track. Glad that you are staying with the rotary and the build is looking good!

theorie 06-03-09 11:53 AM

great project man! keep up the good work and keep us up to date!

Battle Cat 06-03-09 02:12 PM


Originally Posted by Prometheus (Post 9260751)
Looks great!

Look into the synapse engineering wastegates and blow off valves (best on the market, in my opinion)

i was looking into synapse Wastegates, im leaning towards this, the thing is idk what size spring to get, im still learning all of this as i go.


Originally Posted by papsmagu (Post 9261111)
while everything is out of the engine bay you may want to convert you steering rack to manual? Just a suggestion. Also, if you are keeping the MOP get some SS lines for it.

i was looking at some of the threads about the Manual rack, i might get one in the future... im still undecided... and

same goes for the MOP, idk if i should just premix or run it..:dunno:


Originally Posted by Ceylon (Post 9261139)
Engine looks awesome painted - Looking forward to the rest of this thread :icon_tup:

thanks, i wanted it to match the theme im going with on this build:icon_tup:


Originally Posted by Force13B (Post 9261478)
Looks like things are going good so far Jaime

yea, well everything so far has been easy because i have most of the stuff i need for the most part lol...


Originally Posted by RE-Mamamia (Post 9261558)
i have been tracking the FD pretty frequently the last couple of months, twin turbos and all, it's as reliable as anything out on the track. Glad that you are staying with the rotary and the build is looking good!

thanks fucking sweeeet. yea i love rotaries to much, and after reading the thread by Howard Coleman :icon_tup: i was like, im keeping true to it.


Originally Posted by theorie (Post 9261565)
great project man! keep up the good work and keep us up to date!

thanks i appriciate it.

i should have more updates soon :icon_tup:

Battle Cat 06-03-09 02:27 PM

1 question i never really got answered on other parts of the forum was,

since im aiming for high hp, and im going to use a PFC.

is the hks twin power compatible with the pfc?

and

should i run the hks twin power, so that way spark doesnt start breaking up???

JStrib 06-03-09 02:39 PM

:cool: Subscribed. :D Good luck with everything!

Battle Cat 06-03-09 11:14 PM

^ thank you,

looks like im going to get some 5Zigen FN01's for now 17x10 and 17x9, not sure what offset to go with though...

Prometheus 06-04-09 12:59 AM

Synapse parts are top notch!
 

Originally Posted by zerox7 (Post 9261975)
i was looking into synapse Wastegates, im leaning towards this, the thing is idk what size spring to get, im still learning all of this as i go.

The synapse wastegates come with an assortment of springs for various boost applications)

Look up afgmoto1978 his build thread is great, and has a lot of good info.

need RX7 06-04-09 02:08 AM

Sexy :icon_tup: Looking forward to updates.:)

Kingsfan 06-04-09 02:23 AM

metal

adoresrx7 06-05-09 10:53 AM

Nice, loooove the engine, lol. cant wait to see it!!!!

Battle Cat 06-10-09 02:36 PM

thanks^^


sadly the project is Offically on hold... :(

ran out of funds.... well thats what happens when your building a fucking street/track monster with no job lol...

thankfully i have 90% of whats needed :D


i should have the motor dropped in the car by next week, waiting on my custom motor mounts :D

Monkman33 06-10-09 03:15 PM

I'm just curious, if you are only running 11-13 psi boost, and only aiming for less than 400 hp... why not use a smaller turbo and get faster spool out of the deal?

need RX7 06-10-09 04:14 PM


Originally Posted by zerox7 (Post 9279969)

ran out of funds.... well thats what happens when your building a fucking street/track monster with no job lol...

Lol, I'm in the same boat. It sucks :(

jonnyrx7 06-10-09 04:45 PM

stoked for your setup.

Battle Cat 06-10-09 07:07 PM


Originally Posted by Monkman33 (Post 9280113)
I'm just curious, if you are only running 11-13 psi boost, and only aiming for less than 400 hp... why not use a smaller turbo and get faster spool out of the deal?

well the GT35R doesnt have alot of lag(depending on the hotside i get). , i have a lot of friends running a similar set up on there fds on stock porting.. and boost lag is minimal.
soo, since i have a 13b-re with a large streetport and ported housings... so i will be expelling enough from the exhaust to keep the turbo spooled. :D


Originally Posted by need RX7 (Post 9280288)
Lol, I'm in the same boat. It sucks :(

yuuupp it happens....



Originally Posted by jonnyrx7 (Post 9280369)
stoked for your setup.

well youll be one of the first to see it in person

Monkman33 06-10-09 07:39 PM


Originally Posted by zerox7 (Post 9280726)
well the GT35R doesnt have alot of lag(depending on the hotside i get). , i have a lot of friends running a similar set up on there fds on stock porting.. and boost lag is minimal.
soo, since i have a 13b-re with a large streetport and ported housings... so i will be expelling enough from the exhaust to keep the turbo spooled. :D

If that's your perspective. If you are not planning on using the turbo into its real power range, then I see no point in having it. Might as well have a wider powerband with a different turbo, that starts earlier.

But that is just my opinion. Your build is coming along very nicely. And yes, unemployment has been eating many project budgets lately.

Keep up the good work.

Prometheus 06-10-09 09:44 PM

Use 2 of the synapse BOV's recirculate one on the hotside of your intercooler back into the intake pipe (post filter/ pre-turbo) the first one will help keep the 35r spinning between gears when shifting.

Place the other one on the IC's cold side piping with a small breather filter (this will act as a turbo/ IC bypass) allowing your car to have throttle response damn near that of a N/A motor.

Do that and your boost will come as fast as a smaller turbo, but you'll still have the option to tune up for bigger power down the road.

mono4lamar 06-11-09 10:22 PM

Who did your lapping? Did they nitrate afterward? Looking good... :)

mdpalmer 06-11-09 11:01 PM

Hey Jamie it's Mike I met you at the track a few weeks ago at Mazfest (I have silver FD with the blown shock that day at the track). Good luck with the car and setup, not like you need it :) You're going to shit your tight pants when you first get the thing out on the track at speed, these cars are so much fun. I wish I had the $$$ for a single turbo swap right now :cool: Keep us posted, love the pics.

smog-guy707 06-11-09 11:31 PM

lookin good man, unfortunately i wont be able to see it till sevenstock:(

be patient, ittl be worth it

GoodfellaFD3S 06-11-09 11:34 PM


Originally Posted by zerox7 (Post 9262014)
1 question i never really got answered on other parts of the forum was,

since im aiming for high hp, and im going to use a PFC.

is the hks twin power compatible with the pfc?

and

should i run the hks twin power, so that way spark doesnt start breaking up???

yes and yes.

Also, did you bevel your intake and exhaust ports? in the pictures it's hard to tell but it doesn't look like it.

Battle Cat 06-11-09 11:43 PM

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the short block is assembled!!! WOO HOO!!!!

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tajabaho1 06-11-09 11:44 PM

good luck jaime!!! I hope you get her running soon!!!!!

Kingsfan 06-12-09 12:45 AM

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Battle Cat 06-12-09 12:51 AM

^^^ oh word... got any good wastegates?

Battle Cat 06-12-09 01:11 AM


Originally Posted by Monkman33 (Post 9280805)
If that's your perspective. If you are not planning on using the turbo into its real power range, then I see no point in having it. Might as well have a wider powerband with a different turbo, that starts earlier.

But that is just my opinion. Your build is coming along very nicely. And yes, unemployment has been eating many project budgets lately.

Keep up the good work.

thanks for the input.. ill look in to that more.. well i was aiming for 380-450.. something along that lol.. its just i wanna start off kinda low, because thats alot of power..

and since the FD is a new chasis to me,, i still got a lot to learn..

thanks for your perspective,..:icon_tup: any feed back is good to me.

yea sucks.. but gotta bite the bullet and make it happen some how lol.


Originally Posted by Prometheus (Post 9281180)
Use 2 of the synapse BOV's recirculate one on the hotside of your intercooler back into the intake pipe (post filter/ pre-turbo) the first one will help keep the 35r spinning between gears when shifting.

Place the other one on the IC's cold side piping with a small breather filter (this will act as a turbo/ IC bypass) allowing your car to have throttle response damn near that of a N/A motor.

Do that and your boost will come as fast as a smaller turbo, but you'll still have the option to tune up for bigger power down the road.

oh shit, yea? is there like a write up on this?? that sounds like something that would interest me more...

im still new to upgrading with large single turbos...:)


Originally Posted by mono4lamar (Post 9284099)
Who did your lapping? Did they nitrate afterward? Looking good... :)

not sure, my friends shop has a place were they lap it.... so im guessing they must have ..


Originally Posted by mdpalmer (Post 9284184)
Hey Jamie it's Mike I met you at the track a few weeks ago at Mazfest (I have silver FD with the blown shock that day at the track). Good luck with the car and setup, not like you need it :) You're going to shit your tight pants when you first get the thing out on the track at speed, these cars are so much fun. I wish I had the $$$ for a single turbo swap right now :cool: Keep us posted, love the pics.

HAHA SUP MIKE, ofcourse i remember ya:icon_tup:

thanks, appriciate it a lot. she stills has a long way to go....

hahaha i know right,. ima tear up my tight pants in that FD lol.

i bet.. i kinda jumped the gap, from FC 210hp, to 400+ FD lol...

its gonna be fun to learn how this chasis handles....

yea, im learning, its not sooo cheap to go large single, haha but its well worth it.

will do. haha yea, i love pics.. im a very visual person, so prepare to see plenty of pics soon.


Originally Posted by smog-guy707 (Post 9284255)
lookin good man, unfortunately i wont be able to see it till sevenstock:(

be patient, ittl be worth it

well if i get it running before sevenstock, ill drive up to norcal":D, gotta break in that motor..


Originally Posted by GoodfellaFD3S (Post 9284263)
yes and yes.

Also, did you bevel your intake and exhaust ports? in the pictures it's hard to tell but it doesn't look like it.

Oh, okay. cool. soo i now i gotta go buy myself the twin power..


sorry to sound like a nuub, but what exacly to you mean by bevel?

sorry...


Originally Posted by tajabaho1 (Post 9284287)
good luck jaime!!! I hope you get her running soon!!!!!

thanks brotha


i really appriciate all the feed back.. because im still learning as i go...

and all the info i get has been very helpful, and i really do appriciate it.

finishline 06-12-09 02:10 AM

:bigthumb: good sheit jaime. you go a long way from the beginning we were exposed to the rotary community. keep it up bro! you got my support until you blow that damn motor to kingdom come!

GoodfellaFD3S 06-12-09 08:08 AM

IIRC you posted that you and your friend ported the motor correct? You need to smooth the transition as the apex seal/side seal passes over the exhaust/intake port and touches the closing port edge. If this isn't done it can lead to chipped/worn side seals and worn apex seals.

Not trying to rain on your parade, just making sure ;)

cptpain 06-12-09 09:50 AM

what did you use to get the rotors do damn clean?

Battle Cat 06-12-09 01:42 PM


Originally Posted by GoodfellaFD3S (Post 9284845)
IIRC you posted that you and your friend ported the motor correct? You need to smooth the transition as the apex seal/side seal passes over the exhaust/intake port and touches the closing port edge. If this isn't done it can lead to chipped/worn side seals and worn apex seals.

Not trying to rain on your parade, just making sure ;)

ohhh okay, like i said ealier.. any feed back is helpful. i guessing we did that, because my friends shop(lucky7 racing) in Duarte CA, spec the motor, checked the porting .. and they said it was good. they cleaned it up.

but ill ask bout what you just mentioned.. thanks for the heads up:icon_tup:


Originally Posted by cptpain (Post 9284990)
what did you use to get the rotors do damn clean?

not sure.. my friends shop did that for me lol

Battle Cat 06-12-09 01:52 PM

More pic updates courtesy of lil red(fris at Lucky 7 Racing.)


Originally Posted by -=Lil Red=- (Post 9285309)
Ok, more updates. The short block is now assembled, Jaime needs to hurry up and get this thing into his FD soon!

All the new parts laid out
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RA Super Seals
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Let the stacking begin.
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Nicely lapped side housings.
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Finished!
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o...s/P1150570.jpg
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Monkman33 06-13-09 03:39 AM

Things are looking great!

I was considering the GT35R, until I called A-spec. I told him my goals were peak hp above 400, but with faster spool, willing to peak at 400, but I had an ego trip on the 400 number (even though it is relatively small compared to some of the monsters running these days.

A-Spec told me that the GT3574R (They said they just came out with a dual ball bearing version of this turbo about 6 months ago now) would spool faster than a gt35r but it would not be able to make as much peak power. However, it should still hit 400-450 depending on total car setup.

So that was my decision to go with a turbo that peaks out lower, for the added benefit of quicker spool... Now if only I could get that kit delivered to me. ;) They are a bit backed up on orders at the moment.

But your build is looking pretty damn nice.

bkenchan 06-13-09 06:34 AM


Originally Posted by zerox7 (Post 9260276)
In the midst of a world of RX-7's with V8's, im standing my ground and keeping my swap Rotary. Thats the point of owning an RX-7, because of its unique motor and body design.

Agree. Nicely said!


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