BDC

I wasn't going to bite on this, but I will. First off Phil, I won't apologize. I have nothing to apologize for. I defended the guy primarily because the story he told me made good sense, was delivered in a mature, sullen, and regretful way (which is in stark contrast to how you and your buddies were eviscerating him on this forum at every corner) that was also convincing to me by way of how he treated me when I was working on his car. He was very respectful, thankful for my time for listening to what he had to say, and thankful of the work I could do on it given the limitations we ran into. Having been a business owner and someone who's not received a steady paycheck in the last 6 1/2 years, who's struggled off and on to build my business since then and having been thrown into all different kinds of environments with all different sorts of people, I like to think of myself as a very good judge of character. With Jason, not one time did he ever strike me as a person who was out to purposefully cheat someone. He didn't even dare try it with me and I come off as an easy target to people. I can't speak for any particular bad habits he may have (sloth, laziness, procrastination, whatever) that may've been a part of yours or anyone else's bad deals, but he never once struck me as a out and out thief. On the contrary, he was thankful, appreciative, and quite humble. So, for defending a person like that, albeit in the limited scope of time I spent with him, I absolutely will not apologize to you or anyone else for sticking up for him. That's ridiculous! The worst I've done is possibly compelled you to be angry because I both defended him and stood up to you when you were treating him worse than the worst of kind person could be. If he did truly scam you, then that makes me at best scammed myself (which would put us both in the same boat, ironically enough) or at worst a fool for sticking up for him; certainly neither deserving the admission of an apology.

Secondly, For the 5th time now, if he has your parts, or anyone else's for that matter, for any reason that he should not, then it's his duty to send them back to you. If it is true that he has indeed ripped off/scammed someone else, then it's his fault, and is not something you can implicitly rest at my feet simply because I defended him in the prior thread. If it's truly in his character, he would've done it anyway regardless of your abusive name-calling or my defense.

Thirdly, regarding Deals Gap 2008, I'd like to come and participate (heck, even help sponsor the event if that's acceptable), but if it means that I have to deal with you in this particular fashion, with you expecting me to apologize for defending Jason like a dark cloud following over my head wherrever I walk, then by all means you won't have to consider me showing up.

Fourthly, regarding these emails from his alleged ex-girlfriend, I don't believe that they prove anything about him or his character. If anything, and while I'm not privy to the particulars of their relationship, they show her inferred guilt because she picked him and she stayed with him. By how she's come off, how she's made fun of him, called him names and what not, is it really fair to suggest that she's being 100% completely truthful and objective about what she's saying? I can understand this. I've been wrongfully blamed for the very things the person that was blaming me was guilty of. Regardless, Jason isn't here to defend himself and therefore possibly set the record straight if what she's said contains any falsehood. You can call it "proof" all you'd like, but I really don't think it is. She could be telling the truth about some of the things he's done; I don't know. I wasn't there. But, to consider it "proof", is a stretch. Again, if he's truly cheated anyone, then he deserves to be branded as such and those that've been wronged have every right in the world to be livid. If he has anyone's parts, he must send them back at his own expense.

Lastly Phil, you say that I think I'm right and that I think this is a joke. I know that I don't think of this as a joke. Secondly, you don't know what I think because you're not a mind-reader. The only thing you can do to even come close to knowing what I think is what you can glean based on what I write right here or what you and I speak to each other in private. That's it. Don't try and get into my ahead, assert things that aren't my own, and then hold me at fault for those things. That's projection sir and it coming from your own mind; not mine. That's an attempt at control but that doesn't work on me. Also, I didn't cause the other thread to get closed. The moderator who closed it did it all on his own.

B

rx7goomba

So the other members coming on here telling their stories about what Jason Evans has done to them still isnt enough for you to believe he's a scammer?


Wake up!

Herblenny

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Right, you did nothing wrong.. Lets go back to how it all started.. You came on to my thread and start name calling me without even getting my side of the story.. And you kept defending yourself and eventually leaves the thread as I provided with facts not some BS from Jason Evans.. I even asked from the start to give me a call as I would happily explain to you my situation.. You even called couple of weeks prior to your false rant and had my numbers!

Here is what you said to me, Funny how you stated that first, when I decided that I would never do business with you... which I kept that promise... but you NOW wants to be part of DGRR??? Hmm... Interesting... I guess you have a better character than I do

Later you stated, Again, I don't think I'm a coward.. I provided facts after facts on the other thread (https://www.rx7club.com/questions-about-members-102/i-would-never-do-business-sonix7-622796/page7/) but you were the one never admitted your information was wrong.. and continued to believe I was at fault.. which if you now feels that you were wrong RIGHT? Should be easy to appologize since I gave you all the facts?? But again, I never thought you were a BIG enough of a man to apologize.. which is clear in this post! Now the BIG questions to those reading this about BDC, should consider, would you want this guy to tune your car, blow it up, than he saids he's ALWAYS right and never admits his fault???

If he truely ripped me off?? LOL! Again, I think you need to go read what had truely happened.. I've patiently waited (over 1.5 years), I've compensated him, and at the end he screwed me.. Do you think I have no right to bitch after he than turns around calling me names and that I'm a scammer?? LOL! Again, your statement just makes me questions about YOUR character.. Geez, do you have that thick of a head???

Again, it goes back to what you have stated in other thread.. You CLEARLY stated to me that you WOULD NEVER to business with me again.. But weirdly, you request to be my friend on MYSPACE and now wanting to sponsor DGRR?? Hmm.. Are you Serious??

Let me quote what you've stated in the beginning of previous thread... When you called me a Internet Pitbull..


WOW!!! Brian... Now you are just a harsh man!! First you complain to me that I named called Jason.. Now you are dis-believe of this poor woman and judging her character?? Now you say "Objective" and when several months ago I asked you to call me so that I could explain my situation and you refused to do so... Geez, what a hypocrite!!

The thing really gets me about you and your ill logic is that it took you few mins of your time meeting Jason and you backed him up and have complete trust in him.. but when hard evidence and people with good character comes here backing my side of the story, you still don't believe it!! All I can say is either you are Jason Evans' secret lover or you yourself is a scammer?? Is that OK for me to assume?? Why in the hell are you so hard headed and not see whats going on?? Admit your fault and you'll see that everyone makes mistakes... Yikes! Its scary that You call yourself a 'professional' and act like this..

Again, I believe in giving people chances.. but when I realize what kind of people they are, thats it.. If you feel thats wrong, be it! If you, BDC thinks your better person by being this hypocrite, then be it! As you stated from the beginning, you are the one who said you will NEVER do business with me.. LOL! Like I give a ****!! Nor do I need your money.. save that money for yourself as you stated here.. You have irregular job..

Also, maybe some of these newbs might think your some great tuner/builder.. but don't kid yourself.. There are far better/knowledgeable builders out there. I rather support them and those who are bit more professional

waysrx7

They say actions speak louder than words, but I think this might be the exception.
Well, that very clearly explains your character to me BDC.

fikren

Phil your too old to have a myspace. I thought that was just for 12 year olds so they can all claim to be 22.

-Jonathan

Herblenny

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LOL! or 30+ year olds acting like 18s
Jonathan, I know.. I should of never signed up.. Only reason I did was because some of my highschool friends (also my age) was on there and was one way to find them.. Also, it was a good way to advertise DGRR.. But I'm going to close it down as I been getting several random requests.. Like the one from BDC.. LOL!!

HDP

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Man, sounds like he conned you too... but you don't seem to want to admit it.

Herblenny

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Don, you know what people say about LOVE at first sight... You get blinded by it! Thats the only logical reason why BDC is acting the way he is... He meets Jason and he immediately falls in Love with him. And because of this so called, "LOVE", he can't see the faults that everyone else sees. I mean, he's questioning my ill 1.5 year O'deal I had to go thru and Jason's Ex's 2+ years of witnessing Jason's ill behavior.. But BDC meets Jason (for a day), gets him on my thread(s), calling me names, comes here defending Jason (yet again), disbelieving the poor abused woman, and to top it off, he thinks he's a better man because he also runs a "business" like Jason Evans.. All I can hope is hope he doesn't run it like Jason.. But of course what I hear about BDC isn't all that professional as he might put it.. LOL!!

My experience with MANY business dealings in the past (either work, personal, or car related) is that you NEVER want to deal with a man or woman who has his/her head so FAR up the *** that they CAN NOT be WRONG!!! Those type of business people makes the customer at fault, lies and steals your money, and they are the ones who makes you feel like you wasted your valuable time. So, logically they are the ones I always want to avoid.... the irrational, illogical, hard headed, so called, "professional" business people

Sincerely,

the Internet Pitbull

rx7roller02

I didnt yet read through this whole thread, and it is only fair to state that up front.

However, there is one thing that I do know. When dealing with ex girlfriends/boyfriends, there is ALWAYS more to the story than one person's side. ALWAYS. And since you didnt bother to get both sides of these complaints, in my mind they are worthless. More than that, they dont even belong in this section, to be honest with you.

Now, before the "internet pitbull" sees this and attempts to e-assrape me cuz he thinks he's gonna be an online stud or whatever, this is not in any way trying to say that I think she's full of it. But it DOES mean that you cannot take 100% of what she, or what ANYONE, says in a case like this. How many ex's are out there still hanging on to bad feelings? Practically everyone has at least one ex that they left on bad terms. So, keep your leash on, tough guy.

Here's the issue. You had a bad deal with this guy. Fine....handle that the best way you can. But that doesnt give you the right to get into every other aspect of the guy's life. And a bad relationship like that is basically nothing more than a
"he-said-she-said" at this point. She could be spot on, but it certainly wouldnt be the first time that an angry ex was not completely truthful, would it?

This section is for discussing transactions. It is not for digging through someone's trash, or their entire life unrelated to the transaction. If you had simply stuck with that, then most of the conflict you've experienced in this thread would not have happened. However, since you decided to go this route, allow me to point out a couple things--and try to look at this for what it is, not what you want to make it into....these are directly taken from the letter you posted:

It was not a problem to her that she was with a guy that lied 100% of the time?? What kind of person can overlook that so easily and so often, because it "wasnt the problem"?? She said he lied to her as much as to everyone else--who the hell doesnt see that as a problem? This is a very big red flag....and you should have been smarter than you were about it. You completely overlooked something so obvious. If lying, in her own words, is not that much of a problem, then who's to say she wouldnt have a problem lying in that email to you??

I have children, do you?? I GUARANTEE YOU, she knew about her son's nightmares before he threw her out of the house. She was the only parent who was there, there is no doubt in my mind that she knew about them before he threw her out. BUT SHE STILL CHOSE TO STAY. So, it couldnt have been breaking her heart that much, or she would have found a way to leave on her own. Like I said, I have children, and I would give anything I had to, and do anything I had to do, to protect my children. He was so violent that there was supposedly so much of a threat to her and her sons....that she....chose....to....stay....there.....even though it "broke her heart". I have a big problem with that statement.

Hmm.....interesting....So, he took no responsibility whatsoever for anything, and she knew this the whole time she was with him. AND SHE CHOSE TO STAY. Someone who exhibits this kind ofcontinuous lapse in judgment is at the very least questionable.

A letter from you? It would amount to hearsay in court, and nothing more. Not only that, but why would she need a letter from you?? He is, according to her:

1--violent
2--abusive
3--dishonest
4--an absent father
5--guilty of damaging her car

etc etc etc

And yet, she thinks that a letter from you will solve things. She has way more ammunition all by herself, and it is all more relevant than what you have to say, when considering her situation. She is looking at family court, and that does not have anything to do with his buisiness deals.

Finally, from you--

To an extent the same can be said about your approach in this thread. Someone posts that you have no proof that shes telling you the truth, and you instantly decide that saying that is defending the guy that scammed you. It's called OBJECTIVITY, try getting a little of that.

Herblenny

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rx7roller2,

I'm not disagreeing with you and in most part I do agree. You are right about what my letter will do and hence i told her in several times to contact those who might help her emotionally and legally.

Realistically, there is very little I can do, but if her legal adviser recommends it, I have no reason not to write that letter.

I do appreciate you coming on here and pointing few things in mature manner. I have no reason for "e-assrape" you and all I can say is you made very good points... Especially regarding "OBJECTIVITY". I'm sure you would also agree that we all have that to a degree in any sort of debates and arguments .. even yourself.

7_rocket

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Here comes another 18 page thread.. yikes.. what has become of the rx7 club lately

BDC

Why would I admit that? I have no evidence to suggest that he did. I'd be guessing and I don't feel comfortable taking that guess when everything about him that I learned, while I was with him in-person, consistently suggested the opposite. What are you going on, HDP? What Phil says? Are you absolutely certain that, in all of his angst and vicious, abusive language, that he's telling you guys the 100% truth and not misleading you? Are you willing to hang your hat on every single thing he says and not admit the possibility that he may not be entirely forthright? That's a double-edged sword.

Regards,

B

Herblenny

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You still amazes me BDC, I mean, you tell me you read everything on the other thread and after I quoted everything Jason has written me, his ex-girlfriend's email, who lived with this guy and seen it all happen in person, others on the forum who have dealt with Jason and got screwed in some way, and you STILL don't believe?? I guess you are REALLY IN LOVE w/ Jason Evans.. because like I said, Love is one thing I could think of for you to be this blind!!

Look, I understand to a point not trusting someone or believing what they are telling.. But you only met this guy once!! Like I said this before, ANY CONARTISTS are good because they come off as they are genuine!! That's why they are good.. I also thought this guy was genuine and made mistakes by sending my parts... Hence why I didn't want people to make similar mistake! YOU seem to question my statements/facts and NOT question the scammer who provided you with ZERO facts..

Funny thing about this whole situation... again was that you talk about this whole, "OBJECTIVITY" and I gave you a chance from the beginning to listen to my side of the story before you coming on to this forum and start name calling me and judging my character. You also claims to be this so called, "professional" and act so mighty about your knowledge in life.. and states that I dont know the true side.. LOL! I'll tell you, I'm not the most "prefessional' person, but I sure does have an open mind and gave plenty of chances to prove right. Even you BDC.. I was hoping you'll be man enough to admit that your view about jason was wrong and apologize and move on.. But your LOVE or your thick head just prove to me how un-reasonable of a character you are and how big of a hypocrite you are...

waysrx7

Looking at this OBJECTIVLY, Phil could, not saying he is, be a angry, viscous, use abusive language, and be a person you don't like to be around. And jason could, not saying he is, come off as the nicest, happiest, funniest, and most pleasent guy to be around.
None of this matters if phil is right, which I believe the facts show, If you don't believe me then spend the next 3 or more hours reading the original thread like I did.

Since jason has been shown to be a scammer to phil, maby not 100% in everyones eyes but certinaly beyond a resonable doubt, Phils attitudes in this matter are irrelevent, and I bring this up because all of BDC's defence is based on Phil not being a nice guy and jason coming off as a nice guy.
I don't know why people are still defending jason, maybe it's because he's the 'underdog' or the 'little guy', seriously read what happened to Phil and look at his patience before bringing this up, he is the victum here not Jason.

fikren

I think people stick up for him because its very easy to support a person when they didn't personally bend you over like he did phil. Kinda the "oh sorry he screwed you but he bought me an icecream when I met him so he must be good"

sk8world

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Ok, I do not have the time to even begin reading all this again. But I did read about half of the letter from his girlfriend. That was enough. Maybe he was super nice to you B. But after reading the letter you should know who he really is as a person... Anyone who kicks there girl and child out ever is a sack of ****.. So please never say anything good about this ***** again!

HDP

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I'm going on what was stated by his ex-girlfriend and the mother of his child. If anyone would know the "real" Jason, it would be she... unless you and Jason had something between the two of you that you would rather not disclose.

Herblenny

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waysrx7, Thanks for reading and understanding my situation.. Regarding one of your statement above (in red)... Mr Cain (BDC) stated in the past that its based on facts. Here is the quote:

Again, When I provided all the facts (which includes all Jason's emails, his previous posts, emails from his EX-girlfriend, PMs from previous customers who got screwed, etc). But Apprently all so called facts I provided seems bias to BDC and he can not accept the truth.

I AGREE! I'm surprise Mr. Cain, aka know it all does not understand that some women get trapped by abusive men all the time!. There are centers to help such women all over the country.. Quite surprise the doubt that he has and lack of sympathy he has for this poor woman whos about to raise two children by herself.. Heartless I tell you and quite scary... I now not only question your business ethics but also your moral ethics..


Thanks for pointing that out.. I posted her emails because the facts came from VERY reliable source.. a person who witness my 1.5 years of headache and seen it and heard it in person from the scammer himself. Unfortunately, BDC still insist his not bias and believes What he heard is the truth.. Scary!!

GoodfellaFD3S

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Guys, keep the personal attacks and the homo-erotic b.s. out of this thread. It makes you look ridiculous, and will also serve to get this thread locked, which no one wants.

Herblenny

iTrader: (13)

I'm sorry but I have to go back to this statement again.. Because it SO cracks me up and shows some regret BDC have about backing Jason Evans aka Sonix7...

Like I posted before, First thing BDC said to me was he will NEVER do business with me.. But now out of the blue moon he wants to participate at my event and even want to SPONSOR it!! WOW!! If you felt so strongly to make this statement,
Why in the world are you wanting to attend and throw MONEY at me??? Please answer that!! Since you posted the statement above, I've lost all respect for you and definitely treated you like the title you gave me.."Internet Pitbull". So, I'm VERY surprised how you would NOW wanting to do business... I'm sure some of the others are questioning your hypocrisy..

BDC

That's assuming that what she's said is true. I for one question if it's the truth and nothing but the truth for several reasons; the same ones rx2_roller has brought up. If someone came to me and told me you were a bad dad Mike, should I believe it just because they said so, as they were calling you names and doing their best to put you down?

Again, I met him in person, and the things that've been thrown at him as far as his character are concerned seem to be antithetical to what I saw.

B

BDC

Nice try and blocking and diverting, Phil. Stick to the subject.

B

sk8world

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Well I think this thread has served it pupose in showing sonics true side. That wraps it up. If you are looking for an "I was wrong" from B, I dont think you will get it. If it did not go soo deep and get soo personal I think it would be differant. In the end Phil got screwd with out a doubt, Jason has issues and BDC just gave his honest opinion on meeting the guy. I do not question Brian's morals or think this has anything to do about how he conducts his business.

sk8world

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I Understand. But it happens. ****, just happened to me. I saw a good business move for me and thought I was dealing with a top notch guy. Dealt with him for over a year before I got screwed for 24k! Yes, I am out 24k! Bad read on my part. Guy ended up being totally differant from what i read into.....

Herblenny

iTrader: (13)

Ahhh... I'm blocking and diverting?? Hmm.. How could that be when Im quoting what you have stated on this particular thread and previous thread? Sounds like your the one diverting the question.. Didn't you backed up Jason and stated to me that you are NOT going to do business with me and personally attacked me by calling me arrogant and such?? Was I making that up?? And also didn't you make a statement here saying YOU wanted to attend and help my event Deals Gap Rotary Rally?? I don't think I'm "blocking and diverting" when You are the one coming on here and stating that regards to Jason Evans aka Sonix7 who screwed me out of over $1+K and 1.5+ years of my time??

Was I now making all that stuff up and NOT providing you with facts when I'm actually quoting what you have stated??? Just as I been doing all along regarding Jason??

Again, stop being a hypocrite and stop "blocking and diverting" my questions.. What is your reason now that you want to do business with me and attend DGRR 2008 and wanting to be a sponsor??