hwnd

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Bought one a Stage-4 from a forum member...

Here are the results from their elite/hardcore race build.
https://www.rx7club.com/bad-fugly-members-185/hektorsmonster-hecktor-%3D%3D-you-decide-%5B56k-beware%5D-694375/#post7396533

Rotarywarehouse

The motor you showed in your thread does not look like a motor we would have sold. I showed scott our engine builder and he said those ports do not look his handywork. His ports do not arc on the top like those in your picture. Further more where is the invoice showing that the person you bought it off of even purchased it from us...We stamp all of our engines that we build with a build number and a indetifying marker. You say it is a 3rd gen (ported)..it has been over 2 years since we have done a ported 3rd gen and that one went in my personal rx7 and the one before that went to Europe.. Sounds like someone was trying to pass off one of our motors. We mainly have done 1st and 2nd gen motors in the last 5 years.Feel free to email with any questions.~RW

Mazdat

In June I purchased a stage 3 engine from Rotary Warehouse after finding out about them from a list of engine builders and feedback from membeers in this site. I drove up to Rancho Cordova just before Steven moved up to Nv. He's a great guy and offered to open up his shop for me during on the weekend if I couldn't come up during a workday. I went in on a workday and I spent over an hour talking to Scott who knows a lot about rotary engines (he even correctly guessed that I had a RX2 oil pan on the RX7 12A used in my 510 swap to clear the xmember). The quality and attention to detail on my engine build is very impressive. The porting job is really clean and matched as if it was done using a flow bench.
I'm sorry to see you got such a mess, but I would have to agree with the response from Rotary Warehouse that the odds of the engine photographed is one which Scott built is very slim.

John64

He makes the post and just runs away?

hwnd

iTrader: (4)

Point out the marks and I'll take photos of my shitbox engine. I tried contacting RW Day #1 when I bought it, phones were disconnected, website didn't work (thank god for archive.org);

Anyhow, There are tiny circle-tabs on the housings, saying "warranty - do not remove" - outside of that I didn't notice any identifying marks so please share with me where those marks are going to be located and I'll take photos of them.

as far as the receipt, I havent a clue, you are correct - the seller could have built it himself. however, i did search the sellers posts and he made no mention of building an engine for his car.

hwnd

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Here is the guy who sold it to me

Cell: 209-496-4683
Hek - MySpace

Rotarywarehouse

usually on the spark plug side of the engine on the top of the oil galley there is a flat spot...It should have numbers and a logo stamped on it... There are many things that can transpire in a motor's lifetime but this I can tell you of that motor you have pictured....It was cooked...The coolant looked like green apple jelly..I am sorry but I do not know who the guy is that has made the claim of buying the engine from us...Did he give you a copy of our invoice? Our stage four motors would also have extra dowl pins machined into it....from the pics I can't really tell that they are there. I wouldn't want this to turn into a he said she said thing but it's kinda sounding like it. We had a major move and took the phones down and had the website reworked as it seemed like a good time since we wern't avail. to put any motors together in the interm. Really sorry things didn't work out as you would have expected....did the guy really charge you 6k?

rx7roller02

tell you what I would do....

I would contact the guy that sold you this engine ASAP and demand a copy of the paperwork....he said in his FS thread that he had the paperwork on this engine, so let him prove it. At this point, you can actually have him charged with a felony for what has happened--as long as this is shown to not be what he advertised it to be. Inform him that you need a copy of the paperwork on this motor--some kind of proof that it was built at this shop--and if he gives you a hard time over it, inform him that you have enough to go to the police about it. Let him know that if he sold you a motor that was not built as he claimed, it constitutes fraud, and the dollar amount will actually put this in the category of grand theft(over $400 in California). Intentionally misrepresenting the quality of an item for sale in order to get a much higher price for it will generally fall into the statute for theft. Make no mistake, this is a criminal offense we're talking about.

Contact the seller ASAP and ask for a copy of those papers. If he has papers on this engine, then the fault will lie with the shop. But be careful--make sure that the papers he provides you(if any) match up with this actual engine. Nowadays, I could not imagine why any reputable shop would not identify the specific engine they did the work on in the paperwork--I could be wrong but thats just how I see that.

Rotarywarehouse

Before homeland security gets called here let me just say that it's a pretty weak case(calling the athorities) even if the invoice is produced..what can be done about it..first things is the rotary warehouse does not provide a warranty on a stage 4 motor . Our buyers clearly understand that and are told of this fact before purchase. And if a invoice is produced who's to say it is our motor and being that it has been obviously a long time since said motor was sold by us a more than a few things could have transgressed in the motors life ie taken apart...parts changed and soforth. My main reason for a reply was to stick up for rotary warehouse's portting work being slammed and the thread of people jumpping on the smackdown bandwagon. Ultimately I feel sorry for the guy who purchased the engine secondhand....there are just too many variables for a real dialogue on the build of the said motor. So inshort I will refrain from responding unless necessary. Feel free to message me privately for any questions related to the matter.

hwnd

iTrader: (4)

All attempts to contact this troll have met dead ends.

He doesn't answer his phone nor does he reply to my messages..
For example, that myspace page that I linked to, he has removed the photos of himself,etc etc.

I bought the engine, turbo & ems from this guy, the turbo works.. thats about it.

as far as a he-said / she-said.. yeah it is one of those deals & at the same time, I cant prove that it is or isn't a RW stock rebuild or if it even is a RW.

This troll has some forum members backing him up - so i do beleive that it is / was a RW engine (as none of his posts suggest otherwise).

Rotarywarehouse

See if there is a build number stamped on the flat part of the upper oil galley/passage and there will be a logo stamped into it next to it. Also there will be extra dowel pin holes machined into the engine as you said it was a stage 4(based on the pics provided I see nothing) Again sorry this transgression has befallen on you,in the end we will all believe what we want.

rx7roller02

whoa yourself, chief....

First, let me say this. When it comes to this kind of law, I know what I am talking about. And even if criminal charges arent the best way to go, small claims court will still be a viable option. Either way, someone screwed someone out of a lot of money and didnt provide what they agreed to provide. Now, for whatever reason you seem to think that is a weak case. Well, you would be wrong.

Second, if you really did not build this engine, why are you backpedalling all of a sudden? If it isnt one of yours, then you clearly would have nothing to worry about, now would you/ So, please tell us why you all of a sudden changed your tune? In your first post it was 100% "thats not our work".....but all of a sudden criminal charges are mentioned, and you instantly turn it into "wait a minute, if a receipt IS produced, that still doesnt mean anything....blah blah blah". IS THIS YOUR DEAL OR NOT? Tell the truth, because I promise you we WILL find out what happened here. If you dont believe me on that, you can ask around--there are some other forum members who have been soundly put in their place because of what some of us do here. I caution you to take me very seriously--the last guy didnt and the only way he avoided jail time is to pay back people he scammed four years ago....dont think this is going away until we have the answers.

OK, so, we have a guy claiming that you built this engine. We have you claiming flat-out "this isnt our work.....we did not built that motor". And then, we have you backpedalling all over the place, to "And if a invoice is produced who's to say it is our motor....." Now, YOU tell ME why you had this sudden change of heart as soon as you learned that this issue was going to be pursued further??

As for the "weak case", dont kid yourself. You dont need to provide a warranty to a customer in order to be held liable for the work you provided. For example, did you know that there is a crime called "fraud"? Did you know that if you promise a certain level of quality, or new parts instead of used ones, or certain brands of parts, but dont provide exactly what you charge your customer for, that you are guilty of fraud? Are you aware that you can be arrested, charged, fined, or sent to jail for it? It falls along similar lines to theft. I saw your website, you promise all sorts of "race" parts in your stage 4 builds. In my experience, someone who uses the word "race" in place of brand names that many times isnt using brand names that his customers want. We see the same thing every day from the ricer crowd--everything they put on their cars, from the generic stuff they got at K-Mart to the APC overdoses on their cars, they call all of it "race"...I hope like you have no idea that this isnt the case with you--that to you race parts really are race parts. We need shops we can count on, and I sincerely hope you are one of those.

This is by no means a threat, but I promise you this right here and now--if we find out that you promise your customers exactly what you have listed on your website for that stage 4 build, and instead you give them this kind of build that we see in those pics, I GUARANTEE YOU that I will do everything in my power to have charges filed against you. Count on it. There are simply way too many scammers out there in this community for us to have to deal with another one.

By the same token, if we find that the guy who sold this engine lied about the rebuild coming from your shop, the same thing applies to him. Like I said, this is not a threat of any kind, it is a promise. And I dont bluff. Notice how I have not accused you or your shop of anything wrong--but we WILL find out. I just want you to understand this....

I am, however, very interested in knowing just why you went immediately from "it isnt ours" to trying to cover your six so fast. Why do I get the feeling that you found out that you did in fact build a motor for the guy who sold this one??

Rotarywarehouse

Wasn't trying to go back on what I said Just that I was trying to interject some frustration on my part in that times I had tried to go after people who had wronged me from afar and got really nowhere(maybe I didnt have the knowledge you do of the law and what it is capable of) so I just found it a waste to purssue and just chalk it up to a bad deal and just moved on. I don't think your words are threatning but it does have overtones of it. I think it is great of you to look after your fellow rotory brothers. I Know it is not our motor and never have changed my view...I can clearly tell it isnt....based on the info I provided in my earlier posts...So being lambasted by you doesn't feel so hot and last thing I want to do is start a pissing match with you cause from what I can see I would lose for sure. I appreciate that it seems your are still impartial to what is going on. You have the support of your whole community...I just recently got on here to refute claims of the afformentioned engine was ours...and it isn't. So being the relative unknow I don't have an iota of a chance to defend my self against your barrage. My only defense are facts. Not a rotary warehouse motor, Not a stage 4 motor as claimed(no dowell pinning machining based on picture) The porting work does not match our templates, No invoice showing purchased from us. No mention yet from original poster if there was a build number and our logo stamped on the engine.My knowledge of the few stage 4 3rd gen motors not being sold here in the US and the guy who has falsely claimed of purchasing the motor lives here in California in the San Jaquin area (only like 1 hr away from us) ..(the original poster had given his number in a previous post and it is a 209 area code number) I don't know what else there can be done to prove my point without more of the facts. I am not one to backpeddle, Sorry if it sounded like it. I think I was letting a past experience of my own unlrelated to the subject to bleed into my post. Let me know what more I can do?

Sprockett

Post a picture of what the stamp looks like so this guy knows what to look for.

Rotarywarehouse

The original poster of this thread and I are exchanging messages privately about this matter.Thanks!

SLOASFK

iTrader: (5)

It'd probably be good to keep posting in this thread. Even if your company isn't directly involved, some information could come out(like the stamp you mentioned) that would be helpful to other members.

Also, if it turns out to not be your motor, perhaps the Doc should edit the title of this thread.

hwnd

iTrader: (4)

This is the RW engine - found the stamp,etc.

hwnd

iTrader: (4)

Here are the photos - camera was set to macro, not bad

Anyhow, I spoke with Steven of RW today and things are looking up - we might be able to smooth things out on both of our ends - though none of the details (which are most important) have been discussed, it seems we'll get this set right.

Steven/RW was very nice over the phone, didnt make any harsh accusations or any of the standard antics trying to bail out, didn't place blame on anyone,etc - nothing like that at all.

Should know by next week what details have been worked out... things are looking up.

Sprockett

Obviously SCOTT needs a memory check.

AcidAngel7477

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BBQ. hey sprockett, that avatar own's.

:AA:

hwnd

iTrader: (4)

I honestly believe that RotaryWarehouse is trying to make good on their part, however, time will tell.

I'm really hoping that we are able to work something out that we both are in favor of.. which I'll be reporting back - I wasn't able to find any information on the web about Rotarywarehouse & now this thread is 2nd result on google - I'm hoping for a positive turn out on this. I think they deserve the chance;

socalrotor

iTrader: (1)

IMO............and again....IMO You are lucky RW is doing anything for you consitering (sp) you are not the original buyer. Who knows what could of happended. It is suspect that the seller is in hiding. RW is going above and beyond customer service (IMO) by doing anything for the "new" owner. Mazdatrix didnt do **** for me but laugh.............https://www.rx7club.com/2nd-generation-specific-1986-1992-17/searched-flywheel-nut-eshaft-damaged-thanks-mazdatrix-707183/

Your a lucky ****!

hwnd

iTrader: (4)

Wow - that horrible, however, I feel this situation is very different.

- primary goes way deep into oil control ring territory
- secondary is just awful. catching the side seals.
- closing lip on the exhaust port doesnt look too hot
I've never ever seen the oil control rings take that type of damage. I have the map from the original ECU that came with the engine - at most he would have ran lean and popped the seals - not the case here, the engine was bad to start with. the only thing i wish i would have done before removing the engine was log egt's for both housings.

You are 100% correct, Steven/RotaryWarehouse could tell me to **** off and I'd not be able to do anything about it but he doesn't strike me as that type of guy.

I'm more than willing to take my future business to him on other builds because he's been open to smoothing things out on both ends.. i've read a few stories like yours, and i like others wont take my business to other shops because of how they treat people after the `part left the shop`.

I can tell you this for a fact, if I'm hunting for an engine builder in my area and I came across this thread, saw that RW was being a complete dick.. I would keep on with my search for an engine builder. Now if I landed on this thread (which others will) and saw that RW came through for the guy.. you bet your *** i'm going to give 'em a call, thats the honest truth. IMO not too many shops stand behind their work. If you want a nightmare story, ask a buddy of mine David Hayes.. he's got one from hell and we are not talking a $4k engine here either

RW seems to be making things right for me, whatever that is will be between Steven/RW and I.. I will surely post details as they become fact.

socalrotor

iTrader: (1)

I agree 100%!!If RW was in the habit of doing shady work, they would NOT of disputed the claim or bothered to post. He seems like a stand up guy so far, hope your happy in the end.

hwnd

iTrader: (4)

Just an update;

...nothing yet, Scott was supposed to call me but hasn't yet. He's the engine builder.

an interesting side note: the original owner had a bbq/cookout with Scott/RW while getting the engine built. Sounds like a cool place eh?!