Thought this would get your attention.

I traded him my old motor for cash plus a sparco seat along with the mount and sliders.

He was great to deal with during the whole deal and I am sorry it had to come to this but you choose to avoid me.

He paid me and gave me everything minus the sliders

at first he said he would bring them to the next track day to save on shipping (the track day was over a month away but I was in no hurry for the sliders so I decided to give him a brake and save a little cash.)

well the track day came and went and he was a no show. I pm'd him after that a few times and although it took days for him to respond he did say that he was going to ship them to me.

another month passed and I sent him more messages, he finally asked for my shipping address again and so I again gave it to him. Now haven't heard from him in another month+

*long story short, it has been like 4 months+ since He picked up my motor and he now avoids me. I send messages and even though he makes posts on the forums, he doesnt respond to me.

CAN I PLEASE GET MY SLIDERS

-Tim

 

Anything new to report here? Did he finally get you your sliders? He's been active on the forum.

 

I talked to him over this weekend about this matter, and how I ended up with a totally fucked motor.

I bought this supposedly good compression, S5 TII motor with S4 low comp. rotors , and a full OEM rebuild that had been recently running with a decent boost map, and it cost $3500 to build.

I traded this guy $500 cash, and the Prodrive Sparco seat, Wedge Eng. bracket and sparco side mount rails.

It sat for 2 months, in storage. Then I did a compression test and the compression test yielded ~60psi in front rotor / 110psi rear. At that point, I was pretty upset.

The season was coming up so I just moved on and continued to keep it and just rebuild it. It ran with an inconsistent 15-17 hg/mm of vacuum, good oil pressure. Just recently I opened up this motor.


ABSOLUTE TRASH.

Front rotor had a cracked apex seal, and small fragment was lodged around the housing, which destroyed the housing. Rear rotor had every single apex seal installed backwards, which scored up the rear housing. You can see the corner seal springs we're mix and matched from REW and 13BT springs. Almost everything was reused and supposedly this motor ran strong with 1400 miles.

Only thing salvageable is the stat. gears, eccentric shaft, and one rotor...

I'll post some pictures up when I have a chance to.

Something better get resolved soon, I would have no reason to screw this kid over, for some $50 sliders.

 

I went with David (Risky Devil on this forum) to pick up the motor. I was there when Tim eluded to the fact that this was a no expenses spared, full OEM parts rebuilt motor. He told us that the compression was good on the engine, and that it only had about 1400 miles on this fresh rebuild, using all OEM parts. This gave David quite a bit of confidence in the motor.

Quite a bit of damage was found, once the motor was opened. As David said, the front housing is gone, because of a cracked apex seal. The rear housing is gone, because of bad chatter marks on the housing. The apex seals were installed incorrectly. The soft parts and seals were mismatched, reused parts, as were the housings and irons. The irons were garbage as well.

Although the original deal included the sliders along with a good sum of money and a very expensive prodrive seat, Tim mislead David into thinking that the motor was 100% good, and ready to use immediately, with good compression. He also suggested that the motor was put together from new, OEM parts.

Because Tim clearly misadvertised the motor as a perfectly useable motor, when in fact it is nearly completely scrap, the deal is sort of in limbo right now. Something clearly has to be renegotiated. David gave Tim a great seat, and a good amount of money. If David also sends the sliders (the cheapest part of his end of the bargain), his end of the bargain is completely met. Tim's side of the bargain is completely not met, which makes for a very bad deal for David.

Not only is this engine a "good compression, ready to use" engine as Tim led us to believe, nearly all of the internals are not even reusable. As many of you know, it doesn't feel good to pay someone a bunch of money and see it completely wasted on parts that you now have to throw in the garbage.

Tim, it's not a good idea to make a negative feedback post if your story isn't 100% bulletproof.

 

I will stand by Tim's motor 100%. I was there when it was built by Steve at Tuxedo Park Racing, a very reputable shop here in St Louis. http://tuxedoparkracing.com/ Theres no way Steve would make such a mistake as to install apex seals backwards, and I know Tim didnt tear it apart when it was done with Steve.

I was there when the motor was put in the car, and it ran like a ******' top. I was also there when the motor was plucked, nothing was wrong with it.

Something's not right....

 

There was no documentation of any of the parts used.

I never said this motor never fired up and ran.

I installed this motor in my car, started everything up, and I got inconsistant vaccuum readings, I then drove the car off-boost to get it tuned. Before any tuning, we decided to do a compression test and the results yielded poor compression right off the bat. After 4 compression test, the results were the same. An immediate tear down was the next obvious option. I can sit here and talk all I want, but none of this will make any sense without pictures. I'll get some pictures of the scored housings, damaged rotors, etc. Tim knows my situation, this was supposedly "THE" motor that was supposed to get me through the 2009 season, instead i'm sourcing out parts and scratch and doing what this motor. supposedly had. Still waiting on Tims resolution to this matter...

 

I don't think you should stand by Tim's motor. Compression numbers and destroyed internals are what they are. Maybe the Tuxedo racing guy screwed Tim? Maybe his tuner did a bad job?

The instant the motor was installed in the car, and cranked over, it was giving terrible vacuum readings indicative of bad compression. It was driven for maybe forty minutes completely out of boost to David's tuner, and compression tested there. The tests showed 60 psi on one of the front rotor's faces, and higher numbers on the rear rotor.

The motor was then immediately opened, and substantial damage was found. I'm not really sure how this can be interpreted two different ways. Tim promised the motor was good, the motor was not good. That's pretty clear cut.

 

So DrftKingIII, any word on what Tim wants to do?

 

the original engine shop is to blame.

Those ******* love to act like they know. Recently. One of my buddies recommended a shop to have an engine assembled.(piston engine) HE recommended him because he had used him before without probs. Now the kid that took this recommendation took his engine there to have eagle rods and pistons put in a vg30e. SOmehow this guy broke the crank. Said he had a turbo block with piston/rod squirtirs, and that it was a better block anyways. SO they agreed to use this block he had around. NOW the retard is saying the head bolts dont match up. THAT MORON USED A z32 BLOCK because z31 blocks never had oil squirtirs. ANd he is qondewring why the head bolts dont match up.. ONE IS single cam and the other is twin cam . A supposed great engine builder made this mistake. **** SHOPS I DO MY OWN WORK>

Risky devil. This should be enough to remind that u shouldnt buy engines sitting in "sheds". Specially rotaries. BEsides, WHo the hell gets a super 3,500$ rebuild. drives 1000 miles and tries to sell it? WHy did they make the 3,500$ investment in the first place??? something is not right.

 

Reason why he was selling the motor @ 1300 miles?
His friend totalled the rear of his FC.

&

I'm still waiting on his solution to all this...

 

Oh. THis is complicated. IM out. PIUMM!

 

Heres the deal, I took so long to respond because I was attempting to gether information.

I infact had a guy who was going to buy the motor befor risky devil contacted me. The buyer had come to my house and together we did a compression test on the motor. It read 100 on the front and 110 on the rear. Risky devil knew that I had someone lined up to buy the motor. I then backed out of selling to this buyer because risky devil seemed desperate for the motor for the season and I wanted to help him out.

You can believe what you want but the fact is that I sold you the motor over 6 months ago and after 2 months of trying to contact you about the sliders when you were clearly active on the boards and just avioding me, I decided to put up this thread to get your attention. Well I just find it interesting that you then decided to contact me, not about the sliders but about the motor.

The pictures that you are tallking of could clearly be of any engine and so it is basically your word against mine.

I was clearly not trying to screw anyone over. If I was why would I try to contact you like once a week for the sliders.

The fact that you waited 6 months is where I am thrown. If you had contacted me within a few weeks or even like two month then It would be more believable. You bought a motor that was sitting in someones garage. Why did you not do A compression test right when you got home. Not saying that you should have, I just find it hard to believe it took you this long to "find it was blown"

 

and as far as the parts go, I have recipts for new seals and I stand behind Steves inspection ability for used parts. He said that even mazda themself would have used the parts I brought in.

 

I find it strange that he waited until this thread was posted before stating the engine was bad. Why not say something about it before then? You just want to ignore the guy and not give him what you guys agreed upon to make the situation better? I also think it's BS that a deal was made, that included the sliders, and they still haven't exchanged hands. A finger can be pointed right back at RiskyDevil and say that you destroyed a perfectly good engine and now want to claim it was blown from the beginning... six months later. What's to say you didn't go blow it yourself?

 

why wait 6 months before replying. and he didnt reply about the sliders he did it about the motor. kind of weird. he might of put the motor in the car and ran it, then blew out a seal and now 6 months latter he wanted to blaim it on the bad motor. i dont know..

 

Why wait 6 months?

Engine was stored in MY garage.
I was waiting on a few parts to arrive and some funds to clear.

Simple things you guys over look...

My garage space is big enough for one car.
It took a while to get tools, engine hoist, and to get the motor 'in'. When the motor was in, I had bought a upgraded turbo, had to wait for funds to clear on my old turbo, and some new piping routed. I also ran into a charging system problem, and the car sat for a good few weeks and I finally figured it out.

I finally got the car together 2 weeks ago and put less than 2 days of driving into it, with no boost. I drove it approx. 80 miles with NO BOOST, and finally drove it to my tuners place, to make sure it didn't have issues while tuning.

LOW compression.

Stuck seal? maybe, waited for a few days to maybe clear some carbon.

NOPE.

Motor sat around until i can figure what I could do.

Why didn't I start a thread on RX7club to bad mouth Tim?

He is never active on this forum and most of his posts are in the FOR
SALE thread as I told the mod. I didn't have time to start bickering with him, because I had low compression. I decided to rebuild it as its current state.
Then I find this thread, and also I figured out the internals are trashed.
We have planned for lots of driving events I had planned months before.

TRUST ME, Risky Devil as a club, had lots of events planned.
ASB California trip, many local events.

Either bitch about a stuck seal, low compression motor. Or get your **** together in a few weeks and drive.

So here I am, $1000 down the drain because I'm an ******* that didn't send sliders. Sliders, that weren't even part of the deal. Only a kind offer that I threw in for free, along with the side brackets and base mount.

I must be a f*cking idiot to screw this kid over on a $50 part, and ***** my whole name out on this forum.

Lets do a quick recap of what happened.
I went to ST.L to check out this motor. Tim and I kept good contact, and everytime I asked him for compression #s, He said he was unable to since he didn't have the compression tester. So weeks went by and I went to Tims place. Shortblock still had manifolds, turbo connected on them. Ilia and I helped him strip the motor down and check this out, we hauled the motor in my friends truck and it dumped 3 qts. of oil on the carpet.

Who doesn't drain the oil when pulling the motor?

Did I say anything to him about this? Did we ask for him to pay for anything? No.

When I asked him about compression #s again ( which he said he would provide when we got there ) he didn't have it. When I asked for the recepts, he didn't provide any.

Now he has everything I asked months ago? WHAT?

So I called him last week to figure this situation out.
Somehow, he didn't have my number. OK.

He said he would call me and help me sort this all out.
No phone call, or no PM back.

So I'm like f*ck it, I'll go straight to his builder.

This is what he said:

I did build a motor for Tim, I do not know whether it is the same motor, but it might be.

Tim bought the hard parts himself and brought them in so the invoice doesn't show exactly what was new and used.

I remember for sure that he brought in a couple of cores and I am pretty sure we used the best irons from those. They were within spec, but I don't think any were new.

I don't remember whether we put any new rotor housings or rotors in it or not. I know we were trying to work on a budget so I would have reused anything that was still in spec.

I do know that the motor had good compression when it left the shop, because I always check that. If an apex seal cracked I have to assume that was a tuning problem after it left the shop. And as you saw, when they break they usually take the rotor housing with them.

As far as the apex seals being backwards, I assume you mean that triangular corner piece was toward the front of the motor? I would be surprised if I did that, but it is possible, everyone makes mistakes.

That's all I know. Maybe Tim still has his receipts for the parts and can tell you exactly what was new and used.

Steven

OK. So hes not sure, and Tims not sure.

GREAT.

So this is what it boils down to. I don't know who to blame.
Either you or the builder. I'm sure he wouldn't assemble a motor with a apex seal broken in half, but I dont know. But you def. boosted it.

I never boosted this motor, I have like 5-6 people who can join this forum...

Better yet if you want me to, I can start a post on my website and have ALL my friends come and post that they saw this car, and knew I was driving it around with no boost.

Either refund my money on this motor, and I will bring back every single piece of the motor back to you and NO, i'm not gonna go forrage through some junk housings to screw you over, we have a good reputation through out the US and this is a really stupid attempt you mess with you and screw up our name.

I understand your trying to defend yourself, but the end result is...

You have cash in hand, you've prob. spent on something cool and a working, reliable bucket seat and everything you need to "bolt" into your FC.

and I have a scrap block, which has nothing useable except the stat. gear , e shaft and one rotor (S4 Turbo II).

Local dudes are supposed to be cool. You sold me a bad motor, least you can do is help comphensate right?
Chicago runs CLUBFR, and 90% of all the events midwest events. I hope your not going to ignore this, and think your going to get away with it.

I will assure you, I won't let this matter just breeze away.

I just took photos over the weekend, give me a few days to upload the photos

 

It's pretty simple Tim.

You said the motor was built using good new seals. The seals in the motor were mixed up. Not only were they not the same old seals, but they were different old seals from different motors. Like some of the apex seals were the old style seals with the large ends, and some were the newer style seals with the smaller ends.

This motor was build using garbage parts, and had garbage compression the day it was run. If you saw good compression on it, you must have done the test wrong.

I'm not sure what motivation Dave would have to tell you, me, or anyone else that the motor was bad, or to take it apart when he desperately needs his car running for this season. The motor was garbage. It's apart right now, sitting on a shop bench. He's spending another few grand to get a new motor built.

 

Yeh I can vouch for Risky Devil here. I remember when he drove to STL to get this "built, fresh" motor and I remember talking to him during the whole course of gathering parts for it and getting ready to put it in.

Then I get a txt "******* compression is low.fml"

And then i start to hear all about the trash that was the internals of it.

Bottom line is that you have Tim saying his **** was tip top and the builder saying "I dont know, maybe we made a mistake". And the motor IS garbage so there really isnt much room for saying "I sold you a good motor" because you didnt. "Good Motor" doesnt constitute broken apex seals, low comp, and mix and match **** on the inside.

Tim has every reason to lie or misrepresent what he sold David. Its not rocket science, he has the seat and the cash, he doesnt want to let that go. Is Dave going to fake having a shot motor and miss half the season, not to mention spend a few more Gs just to get out of sending a $50 seat rail? Get serious.

so maybe tim made a mistake and dave ended up with the wrong motor, innocent enough, but the deal was for a good motor, which is still owed to dave.

 

-EDIT-

Its been 4 months not 6, right when Spring started.

and I did not see this, until a MOD PM'D me a link.

 

the guy who built the engine said that tim didn't use new oem parts, and that means he didn't spend $3500 on the build. so that's a lie right there.

sounds like Tim knew what he was selling, and was hoping to get lucky and sell it to an idiot, who would drive it until it failed, then it wouldn't be his problem.

but on the other hand, its partly Risky Devil's fault for not being a smarter consumer.

you couldn't afford a $5 compression tester to test the compression before you decided to take the engine?

you couldn't think of any way to see if that engine was good as soon as you got it home?

not a smart thing to do, i don't care how much money your trying to scrape together, you can find a compression tester.

 

I bought an OEM S5 Motor, with S4 rotors. Brand new OEM seals, bearings and low mileage parts
Even if the motor had good compression and I opened it up, there is nothing new in this motor. Hence, he lied and makes the transaction a faulty one. Regardless of compression.

 

ok, too many things are not adding up here. let's try to iron some of this out.

to the seller of this engine, you really are making it hard to believe you. its even just the little things that dont add up. For example, in your first post, you said you have been waiting 4 months for the sliders.....a couple weeks later you post again, and all of a sudden you claim you sold him this motor over 6 months ago. how can that be?

at this point there is one fact that cannot be overstated--it no longer matters to this transaction what the original engine builder did. For one thing, they did their work over a year before this sale, and anything could have happened to that motor between them closing it up and it being sold. For another thing, this could even be a completely different block--how can we know it is the same one? Third, you could have had more work done by someone else. Again, how are we to know? If the original shop screwed up, then that is between you and them, not between risky devil and them. Thats just how I see it.

Also, someone came in here and stated that they specifically saw the build take place. If the motor were built with junk, then two things are obvious--

1--this guy wouldnt be in here saying that he saw a quality build take place
2--you would NEVER have put 1,300 miles on the motor after the build happened. It simply would not have made it that far from the sound of it.

So, in the end, you sold an item. You sold it in a certain condition. You are solely responsible for that. Believe me when I tell you this--not knowing either side of this issue personally, I cannot believe that risky devil would go to this length to try to scam you. It is obvious that he has enough financial resources at least at this point to source another engine....so why would he have to shaft you? You, on the other hand, DID need the money....at the time you sold this motor you couldnt afford the roller you wish you could get. You also needed to "pay off a loan", in your own words.

Bottom line, there's one way to resolve this. The shop that tore this block down on risky devil's end should be able to certify their findings. If they can do that, then we can count it as fact that the seals were in backwards, etc etc. And regardless of anything else, that is NOT the quality build that you sold him in your ad.

I would also like to see pictures on this one.

 

Ok risky devil picked up the motor from my house on either Jan 31 or Feb 1st and being that it is now July I stated 6 months.

I also never stated that every part was new, I simply said that the parts used in the build were either new or in like new condition.

"The fact that the irons are used is irrelevant, they were within spec, and if you had sent the engine back to Mazda for a factory rebuild they would have used them too."- A pm from Steve

I did although buy the seals brand new from Mazda. I went up there today to see if I could get a copy of the invoice but they no longer had it on file. I will try to see if my dad has a copy because I borrowed the money from him to buy them.

The bill at tuxedo was not $3500 but was more like $2500. I added in the cost of the new seals and other parts used in the build. The seals were like $800

I was never trying to claim that risky devil was trying to scam me because from what I got out of him during the sale was that he was a stand up guy. as for after the sale and him intentionally avoiding responding to me I will leave that out.

The fact is that I did do a compression test for the guy previous to risky devil. If I was trying to scam risky devil then why would I hold the motor for him (someone who I clearly know knows rotary's) And screw the other guy over who contacted me first and even came to do a compression test.

All I was trying to do was help him out because he expressed to me how much he needed a motor and I even had to tell the other guy interested that I couldn't sell it any more.

I had the motor in my car for 1300 miles and only ran boost on it for the 300 miles. After which I then pulled the motor and did a compression test with the first potential buyer. You stated that you drove around on the motor with no boost until you got to your engine builder. I am not trying to point the blame finger but couldn't it be possible that you did something wrong on the install. Just because you didn't boost the motor doesn't mean that it couldn't mess anything up.

I am not trying to scam anyone and I am not trying to run off. I just don't feel I am the only one to blame if at all

 

and I don't see why our financial situation should come into play. That is like saying only poor people rob or scam people. Did we forget about enron and like companies

 

No one is scamming anyone, I'm just trying to get my money back for something you sold me that wasn't in your description in the first place.

I can tell you right now, the apex seal are not new. Once, I get the pictures up, you decide.

Ilia and I, have been telling you, the motor had an older style apex seal corner seal, mixed with newer type. I doubt the builder would not catch it, "IF" it was from the factory, clearly its different. Looks like you paid for a brand new OEM seal kit that never made it into this motor.

Maybe you knew, maybe you didn't.

You need to have paperwork , to back up your prove. Dated from Mazda, and exact details on what you brought Steve, and I can tell you approx. whats inside the motor.

Your telling me you re-used sideplates, and used 2-3 cores to put this motor together.
We're the other 2 cores, completely trashed? All the sideplates are in poor condition, and are bare minimal for re-usage. Your lucky because I have a video of feeler gauge on one of your sideplates and its all over the place.

I'll post everything up soon, tonight?