KompressorLOgic

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mar3

iTrader: (8)

I'll never understand why they think I'm not serious. 3 days off, use them to learn to how to read with better comprehension.

Mario III

CUBA6942

iTrader: (12)

Can i ask a question without getting a vacation? Why is it bad for people to post there past expierences with me as a seller? I see nothing wrong with it. However i respect your rules. I cant help if people back me up. and i apologize.

DrunkenGimp

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Immediately making accusations and diverting blame are the definition of not taking responsibility.

Except for the fact that you did just that with no alterations on my part and guess what? It didn't work. I returned it right away because as soon as I saw that the serial was missing and the compatibility came into question, I knew I did not want to keep it. You agreed to the return and to refund it.

I gave you every opportunity and ample time to sort out the problem, and you responded by accusing me and contacting paypal, when I had gone out of my way to be reasonable.

Trust. It's apparently something I have too much of and something you lack altogether. Additionally as soon as the unit arrived I was planning on purchasing a datalogit and Howard was going to send me his map to run on it (he's testing the turbo i'll be using on his big turbo comparison).


I am taking a bigger hit than you. If the unit is indeed not functioning, it was not functioning when it was sent to me. Therefore I will not be getting what I paid for regardless of whether or not I get it back. I will drop the dispute with the credit card company if you refund my money. Outside of that I don't see a resolution here, especially since you tried to further your attempt to scam me with photos that are not of the unit that you sent to me. If you look in the email you sent back to me, the picture of the commander's serial that you sent out was not one of the pictures.

CUBA6942

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Ok. With all that said. you did file a credit card claim. you are going to get your money back and when the credit card charges paypal, paypal will then charge me, then guess what im out of 800 dollars, the paypal account then gets reported to my fiances credit and i still have a bad unit , which was not bad when i sent it to you.I dont trust anybody. your right. because of situations like this. your gonna get your money back, I have a bad unit which was good. when i sent it to you. You win!!!!!!!!!!!!Thanks for messing up my buisness on the forum!

CUBA6942

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Im done!!! The PFC is going in the garbage!!!!!!!!

DrunkenGimp

iTrader: (3)

Firstly, a credit card claim isn't an instantaneous procedure. Secondly, as has been said with supplied evidence, the package was returned exactly as it was sent. If it was damaged, it was damaged before you sent it to me. Finally, I offered to drop the claim, and am still offering to drop it, if you return my money.

If you look at my last emails in the original post you'll notice that I even offered to give you positive feedback concerning the return. I was as patient as I could have been with you while protecting myself.

CUBA6942

iTrader: (12)

a credit card claim isn't an instantaneous procedure
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Yeah but your still gonna get your money back. and I'm still out of a PFC.

If it was damaged, it was damaged before you sent it to me

^^^ It was in working order. Here is a video of the car running with the PFC computer in it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xe2_3r7qF0A.

I finally got my dads camera. this footage was shot before i sold the car. the car was sold without the PFC. in the pictures below you can see the commander wire running along the center console and down by the kick panel where it was connected to the PFC. I also put a front shot so you cant tell me that its a different car!




You should have tryed it on your vehicle and you would have seen that it was in working order. Oh thats right you cant because your car is INOP. Why would you buy something that you cant test? If i would have know that i would have never sold you the unit!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I've stated my case and will not bickering back and furth with you anymore.

DrunkenGimp

iTrader: (3)

The only thing those pictures and video prove is that it's a car that ran at one point. This is no where near being proof of operation of the specific PFC in question, nor is it proof that if it was, that it wasn't damaged while on that car hence the sale and separation of the vehicle and PFC respectively. This is especially so as those pictures were taken in August, months before the sale:



I received the PFC, emailed you about the return the same day, and shipped it out the next day. When would I have had time to damage it? What benefit would there be for me to send you a damaged unit back without a refund in place, and then suddenly call attention to it on the forum? There is no logic in your arguments.

It's not a rare case that someone on the forums buys a used item and does not install it immediately. In fact there are many for sale threads that state that the seller purchased merchandise with the intent to install them, but ended up not having the time or will or whatever reason.

You've claimed to be done with this situation multiple times in this thread. You are right, we've both stated our case. However, don't expect me to not respond when you continue to make accusations or provide misleading evidence.

rx7roller02

wow....

what is the matter with you two?

First off, to cuba--do not EVER come into this forum and make these kinds of accusations against another member without PROOF. And in case you arent aware up to this point, you have indeed not posted one shred of proof thus far.

You posted pics, but they showed a different serial than the one that was on the unit. Let me tell you, if you did that to me, it would make me wonder as well. No one wants to spend $800 only to find out that they were lied to. The buyer was well within his rights to be concerned there. It isnt his fault that you sent him pics showing the wrong serial.

You posted video. So? How long ago was the video taken? Who is to say that the exact same PFC was in that car when it was running? There is simply no way to tell from what you have posted. Without being able to identify that specific unit, and being able to do so immediately before it was shipped, and THEN being able to prove it was working, well, you cannot simply come in here and accuse anyone of anything. If that happens again from you, believe me, you wont be selling anything here.

As for your comment about "why would anyone buy this if their car was inop", to be frank, that isnt any of your business. A member here is entitled to buy anything that anyone has for sale, without any such expectation or requirement that their car is working to the seller's satisfaction before the sale. Now youre just arguing to argue, and if it continues, there's gonna be a problem.

As for people posting about their good deals with you, allow me to explain this. The moment a moderator steps in and says "no one else but buyer and seller are to post in this thread", I think that speaks for itself. Every member here agreed to the forum terms of service when they joined, and in that TOS it is explained clearly that the moderating staff's instructions are to be followed. Aside from that it is my experience on this forum, after seeing more than 8 years of people scamming on here, that good transactions have NO bearing on the specific transaction at hand. So you did 12 good deals before, does that mean you wont do something wrong on THIS one? We have seen time and again people with good feedback suddenly start shafting people. So now you know, and knowing is half the battle....

I will get to more on this later, when I get back in from work. To be continued...

CUBA6942

iTrader: (12)

First off, to cuba--do not EVER come into this forum and make these kinds of accusations against another member without PROOF. And in case you arent aware up to this point, you have indeed not posted one shred of proof thus far.

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But its ok for the OP to make accusations against me .Saying that i stiffed him? Come on man! I love how im the only one being repermanded! but its cool.

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You posted pics, but they showed a different serial than the one that was on the unit. Let me tell you, if you did that to me, it would make me wonder as well. No one wants to spend $800 only to find out that they were lied to. The buyer was well within his rights to be concerned there. It isnt his fault that you sent him pics showing the wrong serial.

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If i indeed sent him pictures of the incorrect serial number how come he bought the item?????????????????????????????????????????????? ???????????????????????????

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You posted video. So? How long ago was the video taken? Who is to say that the exact same PFC was in that car when it was running? There is simply no way to tell from what you have posted. Without being able to identify that specific unit, and being able to do so immediately before it was shipped, and THEN being able to prove it was working, well, you cannot simply come in here and accuse anyone of anything. If that happens again from you, believe me, you wont be selling anything here
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Video was taken @ a month ago. Who is to say that it wasnt the same PFC that was in the car????????????? If i would have know that this transaction was going to end up like this I would have taken video of the unit, then of the unit startin the vehicle. how was i to know?????? The buyer cant accuse me of having a bad expierence when i recieved good that were not in the condition that i sent them to him in. ( I was just responding to his accusations ) as i have done nothing wrong!

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As for your comment about "why would anyone buy this if their car was inop", to be frank, that isnt any of your business. A member here is entitled to buy anything that anyone has for sale, without any such expectation or requirement that their car is working to the seller's satisfaction before the sale. Now youre just arguing to argue, and if it continues, there's gonna be a problem.

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I dont know about you, but i would never buy such an expensive item without having a working vehicle to check out its functinal state to confirm that it is in fact compatible and functional. And if so they should have a vechicle in which they can test the merchandise on to ensure that it is infact compatible and functional! But hey thats just me! Im posting not arguing to let my side of the story be know! I have that right! I'm not gonna sit here and do nothing. I can assure you that!

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As for people posting about their good deals with you, allow me to explain this. The moment a moderator steps in and says "no one else but buyer and seller are to post in this thread", I think that speaks for itself. Every member here agreed to the forum terms of service when they joined, and in that TOS it is explained clearly that the moderating staff's instructions are to be followed. Aside from that it is my experience on this forum, after seeing more than 8 years of people scamming on here, that good transactions have NO bearing on the specific transaction at hand. So you did 12 good deals before, does that mean you wont do something wrong on THIS one? We have seen time and again people with good feedback suddenly start shafting people. So now you know, and knowing is half the battle....

I will get to more on this later, when I get back in from work. To be continued...


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I totally understand and am sorry that people posted on the thread. I have no control over that. You should have seen my phone, it was blowing up with concerned people that i have dealt with in the past. and believe me its way more than 12 people that I have dealt with in the past, more like in the 60's before you guys came up with the Itrader!

Thanks,
Cuba6942

DrunkenGimp

iTrader: (3)

Let me start by saying that I do not wish to instigate further argument, only to clarify yet another random assumption made by CUBA6942.

I responded to your serial number post proving that the picture was not one of the pictures taken in conjunction with the sale, and compared the unit you were describing with the one I was given showing the differences. I have not made any accusations outside of you sending me a bad unit then refusing to refund me after you agreed to let me return it, and I've provided evidence that I did not tamper with it and can provide more. I have given proof of when I received the item, when I took pictures, and when I sent it back.

I even have a third party witness who I called asking for advice the day of receiving the item (I can provide phone logs, will have to censor names and numbers however), although for some reason his post was deleted. I understand that opinion and conjecture will only hinder our mods from sorting the truth, but I believe that his post was, at least in part, material evidence.

Cuba we've both voiced our concerns. Lets leave it up to the mods to decide.

CUBA6942

iTrader: (12)

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Agreed. I was just answering the moderator.

rx7roller02

Apparently, you have difficulty reading. Of course, in the post you responded to, I said TO BE CONTINUED for a reason. I guess you suffer from selective understanding. So let me clarify a few things for you.

1--the OP made EVERY EFFORT to resolve this with you WITHOUT GOING PUBLIC. He did NOT accuse you of anything--he said you stiffed him because YOU DID. That isnt an accusation, it is a fact that even you admitted to. You clearly admitted that you originally agreed to the refund and then you changed your mind. You left him NO CHOICE but to post this publicly because you got your stuff back and then broke your promise to him! WHAT DID YOU EXPECT HIM TO DO, SIT QUIETLY AND ACT LIKE IT WAS FINE FOR YOU TO KEEP HIS MONEY?

2--you really should listen to how ridiculous you sound. You have accused him of swapping the case from your PFC onto a broken unit, when there isnt one hint of evidence that he has ever even had a PFC other than the one you sent him. You admit that you know he has not had the chance to test this unit, because his car isnt even running. So, lets think about this for a minute. He knew when he received the PFC that you had taken the precaution of etching your name into the case so that no one could pull a switch on you. DONT YOU THINK HE WOULD KNOW FROM THAT EFFORT ON YOUR PART, THAT YOU WOULD CHECK THE UNIT ONCE IT GOT BACK TO YOU???????

FACT--you took his $800 on the promise of a unit in "like new condition".
FACT--what he received was not in like new condition.
FACT--there is apparently some problem with the serial numbers that you still have not explained.
FACT--he had barely received the unit, so he didnt have time to do much of anything but look at it before he contacted you.
FACT--he asked you for a refund, and YOU AGREED TO IT.

And now, FACT--you renegged on the refund when you didnt have any business doing so. You have NO IDEA what is wrong with the PFC, so you cannot prove he is at fault. For all we know, there could be a problem with the map that is installed on it. Something could have skaken loose during shipping inside the unit. But you have admitted that you know he didnt have a chance to do anything with it, so where the hell do you get off accusing him of scamming you?

Now youre just pissing me off and I dont take kindly to his kind of crap.

YOU AS THE SELLER ARE SOLELY RESPONSIBLE FOR THE ADVERTISING THAT YOU DO WHEN YOU LIST AN ITEM FOR SALE. IT IS NOT HIS FAULT THAT YOU POSTED TWO DIFFERENT SERIAL NUMBERS. HE TRUSTED YOU BECAUSE OF YOUR REPUTATION ON THIS FORUM, AND NOW YOURE HURTING THAT REPUTATION WITH RETARDED EXCUSES LIKE THAT.

can you hear me now?


My point to you was this--you posted the video and said "see, look, here is the car in running condition, you can see it start right up. And look, you can see the PFC wire, so you can tell it has the PFC installed". All you did with that was waste time. Like I said, there is no proof of anything in that video. I didnt expect you to know ahead of time, but what I DO ask is that people dont post things like that and pretend/claim it proves something when it doesnt. Fair enough?

Um, chief, you werent posting "your side of the issue". you were arguing just to argue. When you talk about "if I knew your car wasnt even running I never would have allowed you to buy my stuff", thats a load of crap. You do NOT get the right to act like you need to give someone permission to buy parts here. That also has NOTHING to do with "your side of the story".

You know, its really funny how much youre contradicting yourself. Here you are, arguing your case, and acting as if we are supposed to TRUST you simply because you have had goo feedback before. Where is your same concept of trust when it comes to him buying your PFC? All of a sudden you act as if youre entitled to set new requirements....allow me to inform you that you are not. You want US to "trust" you sight unseen, just because you have good feedback and because you said so, but NOW youre saying that isnt enough for him to send you money on?

When you make up your own mind as to what you really think, please be sure to let us know.

I didnt ask you to control it. I explained that simply because on more than one occasion in this thread, you have misunderstood the deal on that point. Even after another moderator explained it, you still are not sure what its about. Hopefully I was able to clear that one up. I dont mind when people drop in and post their experiences, but when specifically asked by the staff here to stay out of the thread, people shouldnt be continuing that.

As for this whole issue.....

I do not see how you have any right to keep his $800. You sent him something that did not arrive in the condition that you advertised it to be. When he talked to you about it, you IMMEDIATELY apologized and agreed to a refund. At that point, this sale is over and you know what you should have done. You know he has no working car, there's no evidence that he has or had another PFC with which to swap yours for, and as soon as he opened the box, he was contacting you asking for the refund. With all of these facts, and even by your own admission, you know he didnt even have the chance to test it out! SO HOW COULD HE HAVE RUINED IT?

Bottom line, without any way to prove that he did something wrong to it, and in fact with all this evidence that YOU EVEN ADMITTED meant he didnt have the means or the chance to do anything to it, HOW can you hold HIM accountable? You dont get to keep his money unless you can show that he damaged it. And by now, it's pretty apparent that he didnt have the time or the means to do so. It isnt like he hooked it up wrong to his car and cooked the unit.....

rx7roller02

You know, come to think of it, this shall be known as strike one for you, Cuba...

I am NOT the person that you want to be telling lies to on here.

Would you care to explain, for example, how you posted in a thread two days ago, asking for people to step up and defend your name on the forum? Look, just because I wont be attending the Churazco meet, that doesnt mean I wont learn about your posts in that thread, jack.

Lie to me again about this deal, and see what happens....

CUBA6942

iTrader: (12)

That was when the thread first opened. I had no idea that people couldnt back me up!!! After posting that two days went by and i couldnt remove it. how could I have know???? I didnt lie to you! You got it out for me huh? Thats cool you can think what ever you want to think. Stirke for nothing!!!!!!!!!

CUBA6942

iTrader: (12)

1--the OP made EVERY EFFORT to resolve this with you WITHOUT GOING PUBLIC. He did NOT accuse you of anything--he said you stiffed him because YOU DID. That isnt an accusation, it is a fact that even you admitted to. You clearly admitted that you originally agreed to the refund and then you changed your mind. You left him NO CHOICE but to post this publicly because you got your stuff back and then broke your promise to him! WHAT DID YOU EXPECT HIM TO DO, SIT QUIETLY AND ACT LIKE IT WAS FINE FOR YOU TO KEEP HIS MONEY?
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If i would have recieved the product in Working Condition like what i sent him. If I would have refunded his money and recieved the broken ECU I would have been FUCKED! Something happened to the ECU. I SENT HIM A WORKING UNIT!!! Can you understand that!!!!!!If he would have tried it on a vehicle he would have know that. this is not my fault!
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2--you really should listen to how ridiculous you sound. You have accused him of swapping the case from your PFC onto a broken unit, when there isnt one hint of evidence that he has ever even had a PFC other than the one you sent him. You admit that you know he has not had the chance to test this unit, because his car isnt even running. So, lets think about this for a minute. He knew when he received the PFC that you had taken the precaution of etching your name into the case so that no one could pull a switch on you. DONT YOU THINK HE WOULD KNOW FROM THAT EFFORT ON YOUR PART, THAT YOU WOULD CHECK THE UNIT ONCE IT GOT BACK TO YOU???????
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How do you know what he has are you there at his house??? come on man get real!!! Now your pissing me off. He told me the that he didnt even have a car to install the unit on! thats why i said that! Me etching my name in parts hasnt stopped people from switching parts on me before thats why i took that percaution!Moderator or not I'm not gonna sit here and let you say i sound ridiculous! Im stating my case.
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FACT--you took his $800 on the promise of a unit in "like new condition".
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The buyer saw all the pictures of the unit along with extra pictures upon sending the unit he had plenty of time to back out of the deal!!!!!!!!!!
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FACT--what he received was not in like new condition.
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The buyer saw all the pictures of the unit along with extra pictures upon sending the unit he had plenty of time to back out of the deal!!!!!!!!!!If the buyer saw the images and thought that it wasn't in like new condition Why did he purchase the item?????????????
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FACT--there is apparently some problem with the serial numbers that you still have not explained.
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I explained read the whole post!
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FACT--he had barely received the unit, so he didnt have time to do much of anything but look at it before he contacted you.
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How do you know that your just taking his word for it!!!
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FACT--he asked you for a refund, and YOU AGREED TO IT.
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Yeah upon reciept of a working item. Which i guess you have selective hearing also because i cleary stated that in the post!!!!
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And now, FACT--you renegged on the refund when you didnt have any business doing so. You have NO IDEA what is wrong with the PFC, so you cannot prove he is at fault. For all we know, there could be a problem with the map that is installed on it. Something could have skaken loose during shipping inside the unit. But you have admitted that you know he didnt have a chance to do anything with it, so where the hell do you get off accusing him of scamming you?
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I feel like a freaking broken record. I did have the authority ( As per paypal ) of not refunding the money as i did not recieve a working unit as what i shipped out to him!!!!!!If there was a problem with the map my dads FD wouldnt have run!!!!! I just re-read the post and couldnt find where i admited that he didnt have a chance to do anything with the unit!
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Now youre just pissing me off and I dont take kindly to his kind of crap.

YOU AS THE SELLER ARE SOLELY RESPONSIBLE FOR THE ADVERTISING THAT YOU DO WHEN YOU LIST AN ITEM FOR SALE. IT IS NOT HIS FAULT THAT YOU POSTED TWO DIFFERENT SERIAL NUMBERS. HE TRUSTED YOU BECAUSE OF YOUR REPUTATION ON THIS FORUM, AND NOW YOURE HURTING THAT REPUTATION WITH RETARDED EXCUSES LIKE THAT.

can you hear me now?
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I hear you loud and clear!!!! The item was in like new condition! I never said it was new and cleary stated that it had been used before and posted plently of pictures showing the condition of the item! Retarded excuses?? Come on man. Your not the only one getting pissed!
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My point to you was this--you posted the video and said "see, look, here is the car in running condition, you can see it start right up. And look, you can see the PFC wire, so you can tell it has the PFC installed". All you did with that was waste time. Like I said, there is no proof of anything in that video. I didnt expect you to know ahead of time, but what I DO ask is that people dont post things like that and pretend/claim it proves something when it doesnt. Fair enough?
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I didnt pretend anything. Like you said how would i know that this was gonna happen? I didnt i found all the proof that i had to show. Even thought you say that it doesnt prove anything. I think it does you can clearly see the image of the commander cable going to the kick panel where the PFC was located before i sold the car.
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Um, chief, you werent posting "your side of the issue". you were arguing just to argue. When you talk about "if I knew your car wasnt even running I never would have allowed you to buy my stuff", thats a load of crap. You do NOT get the right to act like you need to give someone permission to buy parts here. That also has NOTHING to do with "your side of the story".

You know, its really funny how much youre contradicting yourself. Here you are, arguing your case, and acting as if we are supposed to TRUST you simply because you have had goo feedback before. Where is your same concept of trust when it comes to him buying your PFC? All of a sudden you act as if youre entitled to set new requirements....allow me to inform you that you are not. You want US to "trust" you sight unseen, just because you have good feedback and because you said so, but NOW youre saying that isnt enough for him to send you money on?

When you make up your own mind as to what you really think, please be sure to let us know.
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Ummm. Chief! I do get to chose who i sell my parts to!!! And it has everything to do with my side of the story. because if i would have know that he wasnt gonna be able to install and check the PFC out then i would have never sold it to him. Therefore , I would not be in the predicament that im in know!!!!!!I can set requirements to buyers purchasing my products.
I DONT TRUST ANYBODY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! This is what i really think!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Is that clear enough for you CHIEF!!!
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I do not see how you have any right to keep his $800. You sent him something that did not arrive in the condition that you advertised it to be. When he talked to you about it, you IMMEDIATELY apologized and agreed to a refund. At that point, this sale is over and you know what you should have done. You know he has no working car, there's no evidence that he has or had another PFC with which to swap yours for, and as soon as he opened the box, he was contacting you asking for the refund. With all of these facts, and even by your own admission, you know he didnt even have the chance to test it out! SO HOW COULD HE HAVE RUINED IT?
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I have the right because i sent the OP a fully functional and compatible PFC. If i didnt have the right, how come paypal is on my side???? The buyer is gonna get his money back regardless of how long it takes. I'm not gonna get another PFC. Do you understand this????I agreed to a refund if my merchandise was not damaged, WHICH IT WAS!!!!!!! Do you understand that??I had no idea that he didnt have a working Vehicle. If I would have, I would have declined the purchase!How do you know what he has??? again i say do you personally know him?? your siding with him like his a friend? and for your information it took him a day to contact me after recieving the package. Where you with him when he opened the package. THATS RETARTED!!!!!I didnt know that he hadnt tested it out i was going on what he told me! Which i dont believe at all!!!!!
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Bottom line, without any way to prove that he did something wrong to it, and in fact with all this evidence that YOU EVEN ADMITTED meant he didnt have the means or the chance to do anything to it, HOW can you hold HIM accountable? You dont get to keep his money unless you can show that he damaged it. And by now, it's pretty apparent that he didnt have the time or the means to do so. It isnt like he hooked it up wrong to his car and cooked the unit.....
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I admited to nothing but what he told me!! I hold him accountable because the PFC is not working! thats how! Im not gonna keep repeating myself.. My fingers hurt!!!

Let me know when you have come to a conclusion!!! Im done typing
Paypal is on my side and thats all i need!!!!!!!!
I did nothing wrong. the buyers getting his money back through his credit card, which will then be charged to my paypal. So I lose!!! Can you understand that?????????????

Ohh yeah really read this dont just skim through it.

rx7roller02

first off, you can get rid of that chip on your shoulder. We wouldnt even be here discussing you in the first place if you hadnt tried to keep this guy's money that you have no right to keep.

Second, youre only telling half the story. Yes, you posted in that thread on 11/1 asking people to back you in this thread. Yes, you found out a few hours later that other people were not to post in this thread. But then, you posted this the next day--well after you were made aware:

https://www.rx7club.com/showpost.php...3&postcount=28

But you most certainly COULD have helped it.....because at that point you couldnt even own up to the fact that they only reason those people "backed you up" is because you TOLD THEM TO COME HERE AND DO IT. Once you were made aware that they were asked not to post, the least you could have done is post again asking them not to "back you up". One of your friends got banned because he did what YOU TOLD HIM TO DO, and when you found out that it wasnt allowed, you let it sit as it was anyways.

And THEN, you actually try to have the ***** to come in here and act like you had nothing to do with it.

It was removed by a moderator already, so that isnt the reason why people insisted on still coming into this thread.....

I have it out for people who take someone else's money, deliver something that isnt as advertised, and then reneg on their promise to make it right. I have it out for people who have no facts, no proof of any kind, and yet immediately try to trash someone else's reputation publicly just to cover their own ***. I have it out for people who try to play these kinds of games with me. It isnt my fault or problem that you happen to fit into those categories at the moment. I dont know either of you personally. But know this--there isnt a person on this forum that has EVER dealt with me in this capacity that will tell you that I dont work fairly. YOU BROUGHT THIS ON YOURSELF WITH YOUR **** POOR ATTITUDE. People that dont even like me will still come to me for these issues because they know that I will get to the bottom of things. If the fact that I am up in your business over this deal is a source of discomfort for you, I dont pretend to care. I am here to get the issue resolved. If youre not helping that process, youre in the way.

This is the part where I tell you that you had better check yourself. And fast.

By the way, whenever youre done getting butt hurt over these details, perhaps it is time to get back to the issue at hand.

CUBA6942

iTrader: (12)

first off, you can get rid of that chip on your shoulder. We wouldnt even be here discussing you in the first place if you hadnt tried to keep this guy's money that you have no right to keep.
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Second, youre only telling half the story. Yes, you posted in that thread on 11/1 asking people to back you in this thread. Yes, you found out a few hours later that other people were not to post in this thread. But then, you posted this the next day--well after you were made aware:

https://www.rx7club.com/showpost.php?...3=&postcount=28
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First off! Who do you think you are? An internet tough guy! you really think you can insult me and I'm gonna stay quiet ? No! This guy is a scammer!! POINT PERIOD BLANK.
You keep saying that i took his Money! No! Hes getting his money back through his CREDIT CARD. Once again im repeating my self. Im still out of a PFC and this guy is GETTING HIS MONEY BACK THROUGH HIS CREDIT CARD. I would have to be an IDIOT to give him his money back ! WHEN I RECIEVED A DAMAGED ITEM ( WHICH WAS GOOD WHEN I SENT IT TO HIM ). Look dont bother writing back at this point! You think What you think! I know what i sent him, and i know what i got back. [B]DAMAGED GOODS!!! Damn are you reading the same thing that I,m typing or do you see like Mr.Smith from The Matrix?? Damn like a brick wall!

CUBA6942

iTrader: (12)

YOU BROUGHT THIS ON YOURSELF WITH YOUR **** POOR ATTITUDE
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**** poor attitude? No,I just dont take **** from NO-ONE! Thats one thing people know about me. I speak whats on my mind!

rx7roller02

Look, I am going to say this one last time.

PROVE THAT IT WAS GOOD WHEN YOU SENT IT. PROVE THAT IT WAS GOOD WHEN HE GOT IT. PROVE THAT HE IS THE REASON IT NO LONGER WORKS.

You dont need to repeat yourself, I already saw what you said. And yet, I am STILL telling you that WITHOUT PROOF, you have NOTHING. What have you proven? You have proven that, with the video you posted, that the car ran OVER A MONTH AGO. Damn, you didnt even prove that the PFC that ran that car is the same one we're talking about here! YOU DONT THINK ABOUT THAT STUFF, BUT AS A THIRD PARTY I HAVE TO. So get the hell over yourself already.

You posted pics, of two different serial numbers. None of the pics you posted PROVES that it worked when you sent it, that it worked when he received it, or that he is the reason it no longer works.

You have talked about how you tested it when it came back to you. I dont know how you tested it. I dont know about the map that is on it. I dont know any of the details, and I AM NOT ABLE TO ASSUME THOSE DETAILS.

You have broken the forum rules for the LAST FRIGGIN TIME. You are NOT ALLOWED to accuse ANYONE of ANYTHING without PROOF. You have NONE.

You agreed that the guy contacted you the same day that he received the PFC. You agreed that he contacted you asking for a refund. You agreed with EVERYTHING HE HAS CLAIMED TO SAY AND DO IN THIS WHOLE DEAL. There isnt ONE THING that he claimed to have done that you could prove he did otherwise. And I dont give a damn whether you like that point or not, but under these circumstances, you are NOT ALLOWED to accuse him, call him a scammer, or attack his reputation. You DID, however, tell him that you would refund him the money. You have refused to do so. This whole business about it not working anymore, I agree, it sucks! BUT UNTIL THERE IS PROOF THAT HE IS TO BLAME, HE IS NOT TO BLAME.

Imagine this...imagine that you file an insurance claim with the USPS. IMAGINE WHAT WILL HAPPEN.....you tell them, "hey, I sent this PFC through your service, and it was working when I mailed it. It was not working when it arrived at my buyer's house". WHAT DO YOU THINK THEY WILL DO.....will they simply take your word for it and shell out $800? OR WOULD THEY REQUIRE PROOF THAT IT WAS WORKING WHEN IT CAME INTO THEIR POSSESSION???? You play this "I dont trust anyone" game quite well....until, that is, its time for you to actually apply that to the other side of this situation. YOU DONT TRUST ANYONE....and yet we are supposed to simply take you at your word that it worked before, and that he must have broken it??? YOU DONT TRUST PEOPLE TO THAT EXTENT. So why the hell should I trust YOU to that extent?

Like I said, I deal in PROOF. My motive here is to get to the truth of these issues. It isnt to make friends. It isnt to patronize you. It isnt to make sure that I dont offend your fragile sensibilities. it is to GET TO THE BOTTOM OF THE PROBLEM. And the PROBLEM right now is that you refuse to follow the rules here. You insist on accusing another forum member, insulting him and attacking his reputation completely, WITHOUT A SHRED OF PROOF. You have a PFC that you say doesnt work anymore. HOW DO WE KNOW WHAT CAUSED IT TO STOP WORKING? HOW DO WE KNOW WHO IS RESPONSIBLE FOR THE DAMAGE? Simple answer--WE DONT. And FOR THE LAST TIME, you are NOT going to accuse and insult another forum member WITHOUT SOLID PROOF.

This is your LAST WARNING. If I see ONE MORE TIME where you call him a scammer, claim he scammed you, etc etc, you WILL be banned from this forum. Now, the one and only exception to this is if you have PROOF. And in case you didnt catch it the last 12 times or so that I told you, YOU HAVE NOT PROVEN ANYTHING AT THIS POINT. IF you happen to find proof, I will be HAPPY to go over it and if he indeed is in the wrong, he will be outta here quicker than crap through a goose. BUT UNTIL THEN, NOT ONE MORE WORD about "scammer, point blank".

I do believe I have made myself clear.

rx7roller02

What youre fixin to take is a vacation from this forum if you keep this up. I dont care what people know about you. THE MODERATING STAFF OF THIS FORUM MAKE DECISIONS. THOSE DECISIONS ARE NOT IN NEED OF YOUR APPROVAL. THEY ARE NOT OPEN FOR YOU TO DEBATE IN A PUBLIC THREAD. I asked for PROOF. If you had some, this would be a very different thread......believe that.....

CUBA6942

iTrader: (12)

lmfao. Tell him to show me proof that he recieved a bad unit! Ohh wait he can't because he didnt test the unit! listen to your self! Whatever man. What ever you say. Not once have you asked him for proof that he recieved a bad unit. you think that someone who just spent 800.00 dollars would have at least tested the unit! Im not gonna keep waisting my time on this post. let it ride. I dont care. It will not affect me in anyway. As, I have done nothing wrong!

God Bless

DrunkenGimp

iTrader: (3)

I never claimed the unit was broken when I returned it, and as you say I have no proof either way. Neither do you. I only claimed that it was in a questionable state both in compatibility, and in quality in reference to the for sale thread as well as our former communication in emails and in phone calls. You still haven't proved that the unit is even bad. If it is, then that fact would further prove that I took the wrong action in buying from you and the right action in returning it.

The unit's function was not even a condition that prompted my response to return it, as I have said (and you keep pointing out) I never installed it on a car. It was however, a suspicion. Unlike you, I did not jump to conclusions and accuse you of sending me a broken unit right away. I simply asked for a return which you agreed on. The only reason its function was even called into question was because you angrily brought it up in an email.

To further beat a dead horse to the ground, we agreed to a return. I returned it. I did not receive a refund. Stop pointing fingers in random directions. If you won't refund me, I won't drop the credit card claim. That's all there is to it as far as you or I are concerned.

As I'm certain no refund will be issued, I'll be fighting the dispute until the end through my credit card company.

rx7roller02

Did you test the unit? How? With what map? What is the setup on the FD that you used? ARe you getting the point yet? YOU DONT EVEN KNOW what the conditon of the unit is. And yet it took you exactly NO TIME AT ALL to declare that he is a scammer! youre trying to tell me how much you should be taken at your word, and yet you criticize your buyer because he trusted you? EITHER YOU ARE TRUSTWORTHY OR YOU ARE NOT....so stop trying to have it both ways. If your buyer did something wrong because he took you at your word, where the hell do you get off giving me all this crap because I DONT take you at your word???? Here's a point that you need to get used to--it is the SELLER'S SOLE RESPONSIBILITY to ensure that the items for sale are exactly as advertised. It isnt your buyer's responsibility to prove the condition of your own parts to you. You sold an item, and declared it to be NEW and in perfect working order. IF the guy doesnt even have a working car to hook this up to, then how could he have killed it? I asked you that before, and you didnt bother answering.

You did nothing wrong? How many times have I told you about the rules of this forum? how many times have you insisted on accusing him anyways? Then again, you listed this unit as "new" condition in your FS ad to begin with....and it clearly isnt new.

Tell you what--let's make this clear as can be. Either he gets his money back or you dont get to sell parts on this forum anymore. Selling parts here is a PRIVLEGE, not a right. And you dont get to keep $800 that was given to you in good faith, after the two of you agreed to a return and refund. I saw where you told him you would refund his money. You said "send it back and I will send your money back to you". Now its time to man up.....or else you can look for a new place to sell things to people. As said many times now, you flew right out of the gate accusing and insulting him.....he made effort to settle this privately between you guys. Between you two, he has made the effort, and you have done nothing but sling crap. Give him back what is his--either that, or PROVE that he doesnt deserve it back.