potassemon

I would like to input that I recently purchased a PFC from CUBA6942, and recieved it quickly in great condition. I had a great experience buying from him and I would do it again.

rx7roller02

Does anyone else here see the irony in this?

A guy from Alaska just bought the same exact kind of part that was sent back by the OP in this thread? Cuba gets the PFC back, says "hey, it doesnt work, I am keeping your money". And THEN, he sells the same exact kind of part to this other guy?

A little homework shows that earlier in October, potassemon was posting in other people's FS threads, looking for one of these.So, it is clear that "recently" was at the very earliest in October. I wonder if this is the same unit that "doesnt work anymore"......it sure does seem like it. Cuba has never had a problem posting FS threads, he's posted a lot of them whenever he had something for sale....and yet, strangely enough, there is no FS thread showing him selling a PFC and potassemon buying it.

More to follow...

CUBA6942

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It was purchased about 4 months ago.. It was a completly different unit. I shipped it out 4 months ago. I did not resell the item, as it has been thrown in the garbage.


See now your just jumping to conclusions. I had a PFC on my second gen when i had a 13b REW in it. These are two different items. If you dont believe me ask the Postessem. I sure he wont mind posting you guys pictures of the unit that i sold him 4 months agos. youll see that the etching is not there ( there is no way to remove the etching of my name). Stop jumping to conclusions . Please. I havent done anything wrong!


Please take pictures of the unit and post them on this thread . People are mistaking it as if i just recently ( Past week ) that i shipped out the PFC in question on this thread. Please take pictures and post them!!



You are trying to make look bad. this was a previous purchase. @ 4 months ago. I have him to post pictures so that you can see that it is not the same unit. In this sale It was only the PFC unit that was sold . No commander! as i used to use my Dads on my car to tune it!!!

DrunkenGimp

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This purchase is not relevant in proving that you did or did not scam me. If it was the same unit, obviously that isn't good for your case. If it is indeed a different unit, that would prove that you personally have had access to more than one PFC, which makes our transaction more suspicious:

If you indeed did sell 2 PFC units (or more), what's to stop you from posting the serial of one and selling another? Who can say that you didn't have multiple units, and that you didn't sell them to people without checking them for function? Many different conclusions could be drawn from this other sale. They may or may not warrant further investigation, but they do not help either of us here.
(To clarify, I'm not accusing you of this. I'm only demonstrating why a previous good transaction for the same unit doesn't give credible evidence for, or against, the current dispute at hand.)

As rx7roller02 plainly put (as is also stated in the sticky for this section):

I'll say it again and again. I had a dispute with you, I posted on it. You still haven't resolved the issue which is the topic of this thread. I won't receive my money until either the credit card company finishes their investigation (which takes months, luckily I'm patient), or you refund me. You can't deny that this hasn't been a good experience for either of us. Other members deserve to know what I'm dealing with.

You're still pointing fingers in random directions trying to avert blame, and potassemon is helping you (whether or not you asked him to is irrelevant), without any evidence for this specific case.

rx7roller02

Listen up

I posted to you here, and you apparently decided that you didnt need to pay attention to this issue any longer. So I posted to you in a thread that I know you view. You couldnt even be bothered to answer. I then sent you a PM that I know you read. You couldnt even bother replying then.

NOW IS YOUR FINAL CHANCE TO HANDLE YOUR BUSINESS LIKE A MAN.

You dont like it when someone "jumps to conclusions"?? How do you think you made your buyer feel when you didnt have a hint of proof and yet you tried to trash his name in this thread just to save your own ***???

THINK BEFORE YOU SPEAK....youre doing the SAME THING to him and you think youre justified! YOU ARE NOT.

Then again, I do seem to recall you telling us that you were sending the PFC to cali to be checked out....then, all of a sudden, you claim to have thrown an $800 piece of gear in the trash....for all you know, it could have been a problem with the map or with your buddy's setup......but we are expected to believe that you threw it in the trash without knowing what went wrong? Sorry, thats a load of crap. Youre so worried about losing money in this deal, that there's no way I could believe you simply threw it out because you were disgusted with drunkengimp......

But hey, what do I know, right? You sure are acting strangely, however, for someone so "innocent". Case in point--you had pics with two different serial numbers. How odd is it that we can still access every single pic you posted....EXCEPT for the one with the other serial number...if it didnt show anything wrong, why did you take it down from photobucket and leave the others up? I also like how at the start of this, you said "i'll post a video taken a couple days before I shipped the PFC to him to show it was working"....and then when you finally did post a video, it was from a couple MONTHS before....

Look, enough of this crap. FIX THIS or you will be removed from the forum. You actually listed the item as NEW. Clearly it wasnt. Now look, it is obvious that you know enough about PFC's to know that the map from one car will not always work in another. But when we bring this up to you, you have nothing to say! And that shows something to me, because this thread has proven how much you DO have to say about every other aspect of this deal! DECISION TIME....and this time, at least be man enough to not pretend this will all go away. Believe me, it will not.

The only other thing that I do wish about this whole mess is that people in Florida who have had things to say about you would do it to your face. More than once I got a PM from someone commenting on your shadiness, on how you have sold things before without disclosing all the details, about how youre this much of a jerk in real life like you are on the forums.....and yet they didnt want me to mention them by name. I wont--that isnt my place to do--but if the people who know you in person have such things to say about you, it concerns me. It should concern you too. And before you go off all half-cocked, what you SHOULD be doing is looking in the mirror before you look to anyone else.

rx7roller02

WHO is jumping to conclusions??

I said I WONDER IF...I didnt say that it WAS the same unit. Why the hell do you think I said MORE TO FOLLOW?? Obviously my post was not the assumption youre claiming it was.


THIS JUST IN--POSTING IN LARGE FONT DOES NOT MAKE YOU LOOK MORE INNOCENT....

No one is making you look bad when they post up the flaws in your claims. Youre making yourself look bad without the need for our help.

You couldnt have sold that 4 months ago....it was listed for sale here three months ago and even then, there was no response in the thread from potassemon....

So wait a minute.....you flat-out accused drunken gimp of taking the broken innards of a bad PFC and putting that inside the PFC case with your name etched into it. Do you mean to tell me that you couldnt have done the same, and used a different case? Showing a photo of a case without your name on it doesnt do anything. Then again, something REALLY is off here. You took ALL these precautions when shipping to drunkengimp--you took photos. you etched your name in the case. You recorded phone calls. You even took pics of the shipping paperwork! And THEN, you claim to have been screwed over, even after all of that. So why then, just a few months ago, would you have shipped something to Alaska from Florida, WITHOUT taking the same precautions? You told us that THAT is how you do business.....but apparently it isnt after all?!? You know what that tells me? It tells me to be mighty suspicious of this sale altogether. You just got done telling us all about how you go to these lengths to protect yourself.....and then it turns out that you dont do those things for other sales! A GUILTY PERSON HAS THE MOST REASON TO BE SUSPICIOUS OF THE BUYER....that is something that I have learned from experience when it comes to this type of investigating.

DrunkenGimp

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Rx7roller02 I noticed in your post you referenced phone calls that Cuba supposedly recorded (I'll assume that he told you about this in private).

I'm certain that if Cuba references a recording as evidence that the content will show I have not consented to have the call recorded. I'm also certain that I have not admitted any guilt seeing as I've done nothing wrong. I was completely unaware that this was happening (if indeed it was) and frankly it feels like an invasion of privacy, and I'd like to alert you to a legal issue.

About telephone recording:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Telephone_recording_laws

This from http://www.rcfp.org/taping/ (I underlined for clarity):

You'll notice Florida (where Cuba is from) and California (my location) are both on the list.

Another resource (also underlined for clarity):
From http://www.pimall.com/nais/n.tel.tape.law.html :
Before anyone says it, some businesses record all incoming phone calls. However, they only do it with a disclaimer that the call may be recorded for training purposes.

I am not a lawyer myself so I'm not completely sure about all the technicalities, but this behavior is as outrageous as it is invasive. I have tried my best to make this situation as bearable as possible for the both of us, and I'm tired of being slammed in the dirt for doing nothing but protecting myself.

I'll admit that I have no proof myself that he recorded calls and I'm not 100% on the legality of the situation, but I think it's prudent to point out this issue. Obviously if no calls were actually recorded this isn't an problem.

I apologize if this post is not conducive to the thread. If it is out of line please delete it.

DrunkenGimp

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I saved the picture anticipating this. Others deserve to be able to consider the evidence for themselves. It's up on my photobucket here:



You can verify that it's the same picture from the thread by referencing a screen shot I took in another previous post :

I'm astounded that I need to be this thorough on what should have been a minor dispute, but I've been accused so many times in this thread that I don't feel I've had any choice.

rx7roller02

No, it isnt out of line, in fact thats exactly where I was going with this. I do know for 100% fact that it is in fact illegal in both states to record a phone or other electronic conversation without the consent of all parties to that conversation. I am very familiar with these laws. He didnt tell me that he recorded the calls, he told you, in the message he sent you when he originally said he wasnt going to refund your money:

And again, one thing that really stands out to me is the sheer level of paranoia that he displayed on this transaction.....I dont see any other transaction where he does these things. He goes on and on about hoe he did all of this to protect himself, and he says the reason why is "I dont trust ANYONE". But then again, he said also that he has never had a problem on the forum until this deal with you, so two questions pop up from there....

1--if he's never had a problem here, then why would he have to take such drastic measures to protect himself with this sale?

2--if he really "doesnt trust anyone", then why is it that your sale is the only place where he did all these things to protect himself?

The info you posted about recording calls is spot on--what he did is against the law in both states. And its a real shame that he doesnt have the ***** to face up to his actions. There is NO WAY that someone who legitimately "doesnt trust anyone" will only take these measures on a sale that he had no reason to believe would be any different than his others. He didnt even know ahead of time that your car doesnt run.....And the only thing I can come up with is this--if he took all these steps to "protect himself" that he doesnt take in his other sales, then he must have known ahead of time that something would happen. And the only way he could have known that is if he knew the unit was bad.

Zero R

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Roller, I've dealt with DrunkenGimp and he has been a very understanding customer, I wish I had more like him. Not a shady guy in any way. Just wanted that out there.

~S~

DrunkenGimp

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Cliff notes for others who browse through the thread without reading and also feel the need to insult me without evidence:

The reason for the return was not just a "scratch", it was the overall condition of the unit which was not as described, in addition to the lack of a serial number and questionable compatibility with the controller. As rx7roller02 pointed out, one of the biggest red flags was his name etched into the unit, which also contributed to my return. There is no evidence if it was working or not before it was sent or even after it was returned with the sellers consent.

Gringo Grande

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At the risk of being banned...oops.

rx7roller02

wow.....you cant even bother to read the thread, but you somehow think youre entitled to make assumptions and accusations nonetheless. Something must be in the drinking water down there...

Lets start with the basics. Seller advertised the unit as NEW. Obviously it isnt new. Seller posted pics of two different serial numbers. Buyer therefore has every right to be concerned about compatibility--do you routinely spend $800 without even knowing if what you just bought is even for your specific car? Get a clue, man, and knock it off.

Buyer gets package, opens it, and sees things wrong. One of the units has the serial number physically missing. Again, this could be a red flag for a stolen item, one that doesnt even work, onr that isnt compatible, or who knows what else. So he contacts the seller on the spot and SELLER AGREES TO A REFUND....

This shall be the end of your posting in this thread. If it isnt, it will earn you a vacation. There is no need for you or anyone else to come in here, without any idea as to what actually happened, and kick-start more drama than we already have on this issue. You could have read even just the first three or four posts of the thread and you would know that the crap you posted isnt what took place.

GoodfellaFD3S

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flaco, the next time you post in this thread, you're getting a vacation. I have half a mind to give you one right now based on your previous post.

rx7roller02

Hey, flaco.....are you seriously this clueless???

He said that HERE, in THIS THREAD. When he advertised it as NEW, all he said was that it came off of his dad's FD. There was no way the buyer could have known how long it had been there. It could have been there a week, or two days, or five years.....The buyer relied upon the seller's word, and in this case the seller did not tell the truth. When you advertise something as NEW, it had damn well better be new. If you actually think the buyer should have known, before the seller ever told us, that it was at least two years old, then youre a bigger idiot than previously thought.

In the meantime, enjoy your vacation, "DUHHH!!" And next time, when I tell you something like:

try actually paying attention to it. This concludes the sad attempt on your part to stir up yet more drama. Have a nice day!

potassemon

I didn't mean to stir up anything I didn't fully read the post because, well I didn't have time. I did buy it from him a few months ago, and from what I can tell it looks like a good unit. but I guess it doesn't really matter anymore.

mar3

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It does. Post pics of the unit and especially the serial number...if you don't want to post the serial number, then send that pic to rollr ASAP, please. Don't ignore PM's from Moderators, this is usually a death wish action.

potassemon

well, it might take a while to get pictures, the unit is about 4,000 miles away... but I'll try and get some asap

mar3

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Thank you, Sir.

DrunkenGimp

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Just wanted to update the thread since I finally got confirmation that the credit dispute has been resolved.

From my credit card company:
Thank god for credit card protection! Quite a long wait, but I was told up to 6 months for a final result, so I'm satisfied.

mar3

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Closing thread then, that's all we need to know.

Mario III