IndyRxtc

For someone that "works all the time" you seem to find plenty of time to respond to this thread, and make excuse after excuse.

Defend what? I went out of my way to make this deal, and to try and help keep you in a Rx7, but I was not going to give anymore than I already had.

This is the reason I am upset, you knew the truck was not mine, and I was only going to agree to get it, when you said we had a deal.

I then tried to salvage what was left of the deal, and you just kept making excuses, or just not keeping in touch.

Since I already took possession of the truck, and cleaned it up nicer then the pics you saw, all trying to make sure the deal went though...... yes I am pissed.

All I see is excuse after excuse after excuse from you.

Funny how in the beginning you didn't have any money, then you had money to throw in the deal, and now you have money for a "rebuild shortly" in your sig.

Like I said, you got cold feet, probably found a way, or got a title for the 90, and worked another deal on the 89, all when you already agreed to a deal with me.

Like I said in my email, and on this thread, and the other, care to see what a judge thinks?

At no point did I ever back out of the deal, all you can prove is that I would not accept a alternate offer.

I am still waiting on the pics of the wrecked 89, that would at least show there is a tiny ounce of truth in anything that you have said.

You are defensive for a reason. There is now proof of how your deals go down.

rx7roller02

Perhaps you could use some common sense, because to be honest your excuses are really not very good.

First, trespassing is not you being on someone else's property. It is you being on someone else's property without justifiable cause, and without being allowed or invited there. What kind of family do you REALLY want us to think you have that you could go to your cousin's house for a legitimate purpose, and when the cops show up(IF they were even called), that family wouldnt tell the cop "yeah, he's a relative, he's only here to take pics of this car, it's ok officer"???? Do you REALLY expect us to believe that crap? That your own family wouldnt tell the police whats up? You owned that car when the damage occurred, and there is no law on the planet that would allow you to be charged with a crime for going there and taking pictures of the car. BUT....since you seem to need a little creativity(your excuses, with all due respect, suck), allow me to suggest some alternatives...

1--you could call your cousin's house and let them know you wanted to drop by to take a couple pics of that car you just gave him. I am quite certain that if youre on good terms enough with him to give him a car, that you would be on good enough terms that you would be allowed on the property.

2--You could call your cousin and ask HIM to take a pic or three for you. You no doubt talk to him sometime--you obviously had enough time outside of work when you could talk to him about giving him the car!

But you keep putting more effort into your excuses than you do into being realistic. It would have taken no effort at all to say to your cuz, "hey man, I need to get a couple pics of the FC". And I am pretty certain that he would not have said you couldnt....

Dont try to blow smoke around--the cops dont just show you and arrest you. They show up and check it out. They ask you who you are and why youre there. More times than not, IF a cop DID actually go there, and IF the cop DID actually think you were in the wrong, they would just tell you to leave the property! Again, lets get back to reality.

Call it what you will, but it is clear in your emails that you changed your mind about wanting to keep one of the cars. And instantly, there was this "accident", when he didnt agree to take the money. I dont think it is unreasonable that you look at that and realize how it doesnt look right. It really doesnt.

As for the other guy flaking out, how? How did he flake on this deal? The answer is he didnt. He proposed a deal. You agreed to it. THEN, after you said "consider it done", you wanted to change the deal. He didnt want your new proposal--that isnt flaking out on his part. He agreed on the cars, and you tried to change it. And because of all of this you left him stuck with a truck that he doesnt need....that he wouldnt have gotten if not for your word.

jerd_hambone

I am sorry, but merely being on private property while someone is gone is considered trespassing. AND as I also stated, on most instances my cousin is not at home while I am off work, and if he is, it is usually later on in the night. And also, I could call, but I see it as pointless time wasted, just as I see it is to attempt to make a point to people who are going to take sides.


I have defended myself, I have stated how I am not the only one who changed the deal, but I did not change the deal, I told him the truth, and that is the best I can do.

Also, he constantly was changing the terms of the trade, I stayed with the same until the car was hit, IndyRxtc stated he would sell the truck for $2500, so I gave the car to my cousin.

"Nah, I’ll pass I have someone here that will buy the truck for $2500" direct quote from e-mail I received after the car was hit and I offered the non titled FC +$800 cash (the price I was asking for the car that was hit)

So I let my cousin have the car.

If thats not accepted here, thats fine, I won't be a menace to you or IndyRxtc anymore.

This will be my last post in this thread, so say what you want.

IndyRxtc

Its sad that you think people on this site would be stupid enough to believe this.


The deal was only changed by what I offered, until you stated that we had a deal.
People can see in the quotes from your emails that you decided to keep the cars.

I said no didn't want the money, I said I wanted the cars. I like how you paraphrase what I sent you to suit your argument. I stated that I had a offer of $2500 but in payments for the truck. What I didn't ad was that I didn't think he would pay. I also said get pics of the wrecked car, which you keep throwing up smoke, because you can't.

Once again paraphrasing, not a direct quote, and leaving half the email out.



The sad thing is, I gave you several chances to avoid this thread, but you wanted to continue to lie, and throw up smoke. People like you give this hobby a bad name.

I think you should stick to lowered mini trucks.


As stated in the original post, people should be very very cautious entering into a deal with you.

They should only deal with you in person, and get current, and detailed pics if they have to travel more than 5 min to make the deal.

jerd_hambone

You gave no chance to avoid this thread, you did not ask for an apology or anything

You bashed me, I replied, and You made the thread.

And that was a direct copy and paste, read the e-mails

rx7roller02

And I am sorry, but I went to school for criminal justice, so believe me when I tell you that you arent going to educate me on the law. A police officer shows up, and all you would need to say is that its your cousins house, that you needed to take pics of the damage of the car. They dont automatically put you in cuffs. As for your cousin, I see you had no problem at all contacting him when you wanted to give him the car, did you? The point is this--if you really cared about the way youve treated this guy you would have found a way. no one needed to help you contact him when you had a car to give away, and no one needed to force him to talk to you when he was getting the car from you, so why in the world do you continue to just make excuses? Dude, gimme a break, no one's buying that.

What youve done is make excuses. That isnt defending yourself, it's a cop-out

Yes, you are. You two agreed to swap the two cars for the truck. YOU then said "hey, how about we change this and I give you one car plus some money" In other words, champ, you changed the deal. By refusing to go along with that, he didnt change anything--he wanted you to honor the original agreement.

Did you or did you not try to get him to take one car plus money? Did you try this before or after the agreement was made to exchange your two FC's for the truck? I rest my case--that's you trying to change the deal. Let's try using a little honesty and common sense, please--everyone saw what you said. Denying it now is pointless.

You gotta be kidding me.

FIRST, it was "consider it a trade" when it was two FCs for the truck. Then YOU said "would you take one car plus the money instead?" THEN THE CAR WAS WRECKED. That is the truthful order of events, no? So, do tell, how exactly do you think you "stayed with the same until the car was hit"??

Again, denying the obvious isnt working too well for you here. We all can read.

No, what isnt accepted is someone lying about the way they do things. Thanks for showing us how you do business.

IndyRxtc

The original posts from the forsale thread were moved here, reading is your friend.

Like I said, you copy and paste what you want people to see. I copy and paste everything. I have nothing to hide or make excuses for.

Yet more proof you are not a boy of your words.


You wonder why these cars just up and die on you, maybe why you have such bad luck?

It's called Karma...... you do bad stuff to people, it comes back around to you eventually.

The sad thing is, people can see that you could care less about what you do to others, as long as your wants were met, who cares about anyone else.

This is the payment I get for feeling sorry for someone that had bad luck with Rx7's. You have left me jaded, and not wanting to help someone else out.

My prediction is, the car you decided to keep will be a big headache, and if it ever runs it will not run for long.

You are a black eye on this hobby, and the sooner you give up on Rx7's the better.

X-JaVeN-X

this is ridiculous...first this thread is stupid, second, bunnybunny your excuses just make you look bad....lastly, ALL OF YOU GROW A PAIR...DAMN! A deal fell through...tough ****, move on with life and go find something that's actually worth arguing about.

IndyRxtc

Yah, tough ****, you wanna buy a 91 Isuzu pup? I know I don't want it, but someone else said they did.

rx7roller02

dude, reading owns you

If all this was just a deal that fell through, that would be one thing and I would agree with you. But what you failed to grasp here is that this guy went out and bought the truck specifically because they already agreed on the deal. he didnt already own it. He acquired the truck because bunny said "its a deal". Thats the part that makes this completely different. The guy gave his word and because of it the seller, who only did this to help bunny out, is now stuck with a truck he never would have gotten if bunny didnt agree to take it. It isnt like he already had the truck and its up for sale anyways. He went out of his way to find what bunny said he wanted, and he found it. Then, he was willing to trade that $2500 truck for two cars--one with no title(and apparently you cannot get a title for it), one that was advertised as having a clear title(but turned out to really be a salvage title instead), neither of which were running....plus a blown motor.

Sounds to me like indy made some good effort and took on expense all because of this guy's word. He said that it was a done deal, so indy bought the truck. That isnt just a deal that fell through, champ.

Also, everyone else seems to have missed this, but there's another issue here, before all of this snafu'ed....here's bunny describing the cars in the original thread:

Here's the fact about this car that bunny decided to lie about to everyone:

So, bunny lies about the condition of what he's trying to sell--in a very illegal way, I might add--and then breaks his word to boot, after he knows that the other guy spent money out of his pocket to make the deal happen. And to think--all of this info has already been posted here--all you needed to do was read before posting up this foolish comment. Good day.

rowtareh?

iTrader: (1)

I figured people would get it, but apparently reading comprehension is not their friend. Thank you for clearing it up.

IndyRxtc

Thank you to the people that see that your word is something you should value.

jerd_hambone

:] Indy, no offense, but you are a douche. And you are holding a grudge. You re treating this like this is the end of the world.

The other car, the one with no title, is soon to have a title, and the engine that was "blown" has fine compression on both rotors, all the sides of each, and is being taken to Rotary Resurrection on Friday.

Listen, I am very sorry that the deal fell through. The truck is not worth $2500 because if it was, you would not want to trade it for two cars that are in this "poor" of condition.

I did not lie about the title of the car, I gave info to the best of my knowledge. I chose to take someones word on the title.

I bought the first car because it was blown and I had plans to rebuild it. The I found the other, and I bought the other for parts.

I honestly had no idea about the title for the car.

So can we all please stop arguing? This is getting ridiculous.

No one won, everyone lost, cash in your chips and leave it be until someone else can post up that I am a bad seller.

rx7roller02

um, yeah, do you have any plans on telling the truth any time in the near future, or will this BS fest just keep going on and on?

You just claimed that you honestly didnt know that the title wasnt a clear title. BUT YOU BOUGHT THIS CAR TWO YEARS AGO.....here, take a look:

This post was made by you on 1/4/08:

https://www.rx7club.com/showpost.php...5&postcount=84

So, let me ask you--who the hell would pay cash, and own a car for going on two years, and not have the title? If you havent had the title this whole time then youre not very smart. and if you DID have the title this whole time, all you needed to do was READ IT. It will say "salvage" right on it....And, just so youc ant claim that I am talking about the wrong car, only one of these FC's was an 89...from your FS thread:

How the hell can you own a car for going on two years, have the title in your hand, and still not know it is a salvage title?

And then, you bought the other one "for parts", but when you bought it you were bragging about how it runs like a bat outta hell and how you drove it 70 miles to get it home without a hitch. Seems to me that a car thats in that kind of shape, certainly better than the one with the blown motor was at the time, wouldnt be the one "for parts". Not only that, but the motor blew on the 90 on Christmas day, according to you. Here is a post you made that same day:

https://www.rx7club.com/showpost.php...65&postcount=1

Who the hell needs to get a "parts car" back on the road ASAP?? Try again....

The motor "with fine compression on all sides", you have been telling people for a while now that it's been sitting in the back of your truck, and you have been trying to sell it as a "rebuildable core", but all of a sudden you want to make it sound like you could slap it in a car tomorrow and fire it right up....which begs the question--if that motor really was fine on both rotors, all sides, and on Christmas day you were willing to buy a motor just like that, why didnt you just put that one in the car? Probably because "rebuildable" meant something different to you then as compared to what youre claiming now.

Look--bottom line is this--you made a deal with someone. You came to an agreement with this guy and when you did so, you knew full well that he was going to have to spend money to get the truck to trade to you. You knew that by saying "its a deal" that he was going to incur a cost, an expense, to make this deal happen. And you said "consider it done"....so he kept his word and spent his money for the truck you said you wanted him to get for you. This isnt like "here, I own this truck and I want to trade it".....he actually found this truck, that someone else owned, and bought it because you gave your word. And immediately after that, you tried to change the deal. And when he didnt want to change it, you then called it off and basically said tough luck. I dont care who you are, thats a shitty thing to do to someone who bought a truck to make the deal with you. You knew what was going to happen, and you did it this way anyways. Thats pretty sad.

jerd_hambone

I have the title in my name, the carfax report states the title was switched into my name at the beginning of last year, which is when I bought the car.

I no longer have the titled car, I have the car with no title, and I am in the process of getting the title.

The engine is a rebuildable core, I said it has good compression. There are other things that can go wrong inside an engine, IE oil seals, coolant seals, and although I am sure the engine is a rebuildable core, I did not the say it could be placed in a car and driven. If it was, then I would have said that I have a good running engine.

So as I said, there is no point in arguing anymore unless someone else comes up and says they have had a bad experience with me.

Thank You, have a nice day :]

jerd_hambone

Oh also, that was for the other car, the one my cousin now owns.

I did not say I wanted the parts car back on the road, did I? NO

IndyRxtc

The kid just keeps opening his mouth, and proving more and more what a waste he is.

Karma will come around, but he will be oblivious to it, and cry "why me?".

Oh well call names, do what you will, I'll be sure the place/guy you are supposedly taking the car to, will see this thread, so he'll know what type of person he is dealing with.

jerd_hambone

:] As I said:

Have a nice day and thanks for your time.

rx7roller02

Exactly, so who do you think youre fooling by saying you trusted the word of someone else about the title being clear? You had the title put in your name over a year ago, which means you had a title in your possession....and now, last month, all of a sudden you misrepresent the car to have a clear title like you dont know any better?? Thanks for proving my point. You had title in your possession, and at that point it is no longer a matter of taking someone else's word for it. You had the title in your hands for a solid year before you lied about it not being a salvage title, so how in the world can you possibly say you honestly didnt know??

--which not too long back in your other thread, you proclaimed that you could not get a title for....but thats ok, the story keeps changing with you about everything else on this deal, so why should that be any different?

When indy brought up the fact that this wasnt a good engine, you wanted to boast all about how it isnt blown, that it's got fine compression all over the place....if youre gonna use one story, you should try sticking to it. Another thing--hopefully you storing it out in the open, leaving it in the bed of your truck outside, didnt mess it up worse. Seriously, whats the difference--either way, if its blown or if the coolant seals are bad, or whatever else, doesnt it still have to be torn down anyways? At that point, why would you do anything but a full rebuild once its all apart? So in the end, it was just as dead, just as much "junk" no matter if he says its blown or you say it isnt. The motor in that condition will be just as effective if you put it in a car either way.

You just dont get this...He HAS had a bad experience with you!

you dont realize this, but if he decided to take you to small claims court over the cost of the truck, he would win. This is because you did something wrong. You made an agreement with him that directly led to the expense that he forked out for that truck. And then you didnt honor your end of the agreement--the terms that you gave your word to abide by. The agreement you had was in writing and is legally binding. And you broke it. That constitutes a bad transaciton with you.

Wake up already. The absolute least you could to is be man enough to own up to what you have done here.

Why yes, you did, and I showed you the actual post....

"help me get my car BACK on the road"

Tell me something--how can the other car get "back on the road" for you when you never had it on the road anyways? You towed it to your house and thats where it sat. In fact, the motor on that "other car" DID run--you used ATF and it ran, but when the belt broke you didnt do anything else with it.

So, you had two of these cars, only one of which was on the road. you popped the motor on the exact same day that you just happen to post in a panic, "I need a new motor ASAP, I'll even drive to pick it up if I have to, please help me get my car back on the road". What--you think we're all ignorant? you dont think we can see what happened here? You just bought that car, and popped the motor. And only then did the rush for a new motor ensue. The "other car" that youre lying about yet again has been sitting at your house for almost a year at that point with no apparent rush to get it going. So, I hope you arent actually thinking youre fooling anyone with this crap.

jerd_hambone

I did not know the car had a salvage title. The title does not state that the car was rebuilt. If you don't believe me, then you are more than welcome to come and inspect the title for yourself. I did not do a carfax on the title. I was told when I bought the car that it had a clean title, and that the guy that had it bought it off the original owner. SO I did take someones word for the title. It was a very elderly man, so I didn't think he would lie to me about it.

The engine sat in the back of my truck for all of about 24 hours. It is in a storage building behind my house.

I did not look into the matter of getting a title for the car. I bought it for parts.


The thread that you are talking about me getting my car on the road, that is about the car with the title. In no point in that post did it say "my parts car has a blown engine"


So as I said before, I AM SORRY THE DEAL TURNED OUT THIS WAY! I honestly wanted the truck. But when he stated "Nah, I'll pass. I can sell the truck for $2500." I figured he called it off, so I gave the car to my cousin. Then he e-mails me a two days later and says the guy wanted to pay him in payments and he didn't want to do that.

So now, please, just stop arguing the same thing over and over again.

rx7roller02

1--titles are required by law in most states, if not all, to have a brand listed on the front. Simply put, salvage titles are supposed to actually say "salvage" on it. I dont care if yours doesnt say "rebuilt" as that is a different brand than "salvage".

2--So, you didnt go looking for a title for the parts car? Then please, do explain these comments made by you in the FS thread you made:

First, when someone asked you if you could get a title for that car--

https://www.rx7club.com/showpost.php...4&postcount=37

if you didnt look into the matter, how would you have determined that it couldnt be done?

And then, a little later in the same thread:

https://www.rx7club.com/showpost.php...6&postcount=41

but you didnt look into the matter, right? yet you tried and couldnt....and then you figured out how you could...



3--The engine is in a storage building behind your house? The same engine that you claimed was going to Rotary Ressurection for rebuild?

4--right, you were driving the "parts car" and the motor just happened to blow on Xmas morning....right before you post this hasty, hurried "I need an engine ASAP, I'll even go pick one up" thread....and now, you claim it was for a car that's been sitting at your house for a friggin year at that point, and that was never on the road as long as you owned it?? Why, all of a sudden, would you have this ginormous rush to get THAT car, in your words, "BACK on the road" when you never had it on the road in the first place? If you were so anxious to get it running, it would have been done long before Christmas--you owned it all of last year!! And you had enough money to go out and buy more cars, so there is no doubt...you had the time, you had the money, and if you were really that concerned about getting the other car running it would have already been done.

This is called common sense--lets try using a little. Hell, at one point you had that car's engine running, but you stopped messing with it when a BELT BROKE....now, call me crazy, but that is such a minor thing to fix that if you really had such a rush to get that car on the road, like I said, you would have done it long ago. The fact is that the rush was only on IMMEDIATELY AFTER the "parts car" engine blew! And you are beginning to show an alarming trend towards having too many coincidences...that many coincidences is normally no coincidence at all.

You dont like the same stuff being brought up over and over again? Neither do I. So mabe, if you just told the truth, this would have been over already.

You just dont get it. When he said "nah, I'll pass....", it was a direct response to you CHANGING THE TERMS OF THE AGREEMENT. You agreed to trade him the two cars. Then he, based on you giving your word, spent the money to buy the truck for you. THEN, you said "you know what, I want to keep one of the cars, would you take $800 and the other one?" THEN, when he told you that he wanted the deal you originally agreed to--both cars--your very next story was the damage. YOU changed what you were offering AFTER you agreed to trade both cars. Thats pretty shitty, especially when you knew at that point that he had spent money on your word!

By the time he said "nah, I'll pass" the deal was already dead because you tried to change it around. NOT because he didnt want to play ball anymore--he didnt have to change the conditions with you! You made an agreement to do one thing, and then you wanted to do something else instead. Your logic is severely flawed on this--you said the truck couldnt possibly be worth $2500 juts on your say-so, because of the trade. Only a fool couldnt understand the value of a car parted out--when you sell off the parts you dont need, you dont just have $800 out of that car! What if he wanted to part them both out? He would have gotten a decent return on his investment--of course, the work of parting them out would mean he earned that return. But that isnt for you to decide with some lame-*** excuse.

Why not just admit you screwed up? Why not just admit you tried to change the deal and in the process cost indy money he shouldnt have had to spend? Man up already....

jerd_hambone

I apologized, thats what he asked for. Now quit being a dick and leave the matter alone until someone can say they have a bad experience with me.

jerd_hambone

And also rx7roller02, do you just go into 90% of the BG threads and post up just like this?

Because Looking through your previous posts, thats about all you do.

rx7roller02

what he asked for was for you to own up and take responsibility for your actions--saying "sorry the deal didnt work out" doesnt come close to that. Try again....


Not that my posts are any of your business or have anything to do with YOUR treatment of this issue, but I help people who happen to run into guys like you that cant handle their business like a man. And the list of people who get money back, or their parts that they paid for, or some other information to help them, because of my efforts, time and money, is growing every day. The way I see it, the fact that I take my own time, money and resources to help people is hardly something that you have any place to complain about. Next time, try working on the issue at hand and dont worry yourself with my posts. Everything I have posted is relevant to this issue--things you have said and done. Do yourself a favor and wise up--I am not the guy you want to get into this battle with over a situation like this.

jerd_hambone

I just find it ridiculous that you continuously keep going on this.

The matter is settled between me and him, he said what he wanted to say, the threads here, it was posted as me being a flake, and it got the point across.

But yet, you still keep going and going and going just like then energizer bunny.

You were initially not part of the argument, so I have no argument with you. I asked multiple times for you to just leave it alone, as the matter is no longer in discussion on my end.

SO... Once again... There is no point in continuing this thread until someone can say they had a bad deal with me.

You are just constantly arguing, and I noticed that you are in 90% of the other bad guy threads doing the same.